Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[SQ8]

This is not the only source...

Here's one
AGM-154A JSOW / Joint StandOff Weapon, JSOW-A

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[humza_313]

my opinion is that instead of wasting money on upgrading the older f-16s .. we should prefer on mass producing the jf-17 thunder aircraft. the f-16s acquired in 1983 can be used for the next 15-20 years.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

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[Manticore]

my opinion is that instead of wasting money on upgrading the older f-16s .. we should prefer on mass producing the jf-17 thunder aircraft. the f-16s acquired in 1983 can be used for the next 15-20 years.

the gap between iaf and paf had been widened dramatically over the past decade--

so some short term decisions alonge some long term planning was due..

there is no other way to get 70 odd blk 52+ category jets within 2 years , for which the infrastructure and experience was already in place
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jf17s dont have the payload/avionics nor range YET to beat blk 52+ in the coming years -- as no one other than chinese are willing to help

fc20 is still under developement

it is better to always have 2 types of items of same category-- one homegrown redundancy route the other western experienced route to be set as a benchmark ... we are doing it in awacs [2010] , fighters [2009-2014] and radars [2008]

 

[Manticore]

the codes thingy to destroy our f16 has been rebutted manyatimes by senior members like sir murad , chogy etc

secondly u.s would itself want to see how its blk52 fair against russian tech...

 

[MastanKhan]

my opinion is that instead of wasting money on upgrading the older f-16s .. we should prefer on mass producing the jf-17 thunder aircraft. the f-16s acquired in 1983 can be used for the next 15-20 years.

Hi,

welcome to the board sir.

I would reccommend a little more research for you----please check out what change the upgrade bring to the F 16---.

Seemingly---it might still be superior to the FC20.

 

[muse]

That is to say if we can get it numbers , if the supply chain will not be restricted -- and guess what F22 is also superior to J10, you really want to put the defense of Pakistan dependent on some American lobby group?

Lets first have correct and good relations founded on mutual commercial interest - there is neither trust nor any love lost between US and Pakistan, but they can still inflict injury to each other and themselves - best to be circumspect and never again allow ourselves deeper entanglements with the two faced US policy - BTW, wikileaks diplomatic documents should provide a wealth of information to refute the notion that US is duplicitous, all are encouraged to download the data directly and read that traffic - don't let the corporate media spin this you - read the data and decide for yourself.

In the meantime, Pakistan have a super trustworthy supplier and just as importantly , a partner, in China. And God helps those who help themselves, doesn't experience suggest this?

 

[Manticore]

That is to say if we can get it numbers , if the supply chain will not be restricted -- and guess what F22 is also superior to J10, you really want to put the defense of Pakistan dependent on some American lobby group?

Lets first have correct and good relations founded on mutual commercial interest - there is neither trust nor any love lost between US and Pakistan, but they can still inflict injury to each other and themselves - best to be circumspect and never again allow ourselves deeper entanglements with the two faced US policy - BTW, wikileaks diplomatic documents should provide a wealth of information to refute the notion that US is duplicitous, all are encouraged to download the data directly and read that traffic - don't let the corporate media spin this you - read the data and decide for yourself.

In the meantime, Pakistan have a super trustworthy supplier and just as importantly , a partner, in China. And God helps those who help themselves, doesn't experience suggest this?

the complete independence from other countries dont happen with a blink of an eye-- to maintain a credible defence we dont have the luxury to wait for our homegrown products to mature to the same standard , while our defence is at risk.

most of the bad things that have befallen us are due to our own incompetance and dishonesty -- we cant throw all the mud on the u.s

i think after a long time, paf has awaken and has started on the right path-- having roughly a hundred upgraded f16s is no strategical joke-- particularly in the short term planning

our f16s have flown before aswell- thanks to the black market, uae and turkey-- this time around i think we might have greater spares at hand aswell

 

[fatman17]

30 Nov 1991
PAF accepts first F-16 from Peace Gate III order, but the aircraft are embargoed.

 

[Windjammer]

Guys there is some discrepancy regarding the number of Block-52s that have been supplied to the PAF. According to the latest issue of AFM, a further nine F-16C/D Block52+ have been delivered. Three comprising F-16Cs 10903, 10904 and 10906 flew into Shahbaz on October 30.
The initial aircraft comprising F-16C 10902 plus F-16Ds 10804 and 10805 arrived on June 26. The second batch due for delivery in August were kept in the US due to the floods, while those already delivered were temporarily flown out to PAF Base Samungli, Quetta as a precaution. A further six aircraft (F-16D 10803 PLUS F-16Cs 10904, 10907, 10908, 10909 and 10910) arrived at Shahbaz on November 20. The remaining are scheduled to arrive by the year-end.

 

[fatman17]

Guys there is some discrepancy regarding the number of Block-52s that have been supplied to the PAF. According to the latest issue of AFM, a further nine F-16C/D Block52+ have been delivered. Three comprising F-16Cs 10903, 10904 and 10906 flew into Shahbaz on October 30.
The initial aircraft comprising F-16C 10902 plus F-16Ds 10804 and 10805 arrived on June 26. The second batch due for delivery in August were kept in the US due to the floods, while those already delivered were temporarily flown out to PAF Base Samungli, Quetta as a precaution. A further six aircraft (F-16D 10803 PLUS F-16Cs 10904, 10907, 10908, 10909 and 10910) arrived at Shahbaz on November 20. The remaining are scheduled to arrive by the year-end.

this is correct - the media dosnt get 'wind' of everything all the time.

 

[Windjammer]

this is correct - the media dosnt get 'wind' of everything all the time.

It's worth noting that during the floods, those stationed in Jacobabad were actually flown out to Samungli and not Shamsi as was the general deception.!!!!!

So much for the US leverage.

 

[Pak123]

^^
so what will be the total number of F-16's by the year end ?

 

[fatman17]

^^
so what will be the total number of F-16's by the year end ?

45+18=63 birds=3 Sqdns with 14 a/c still to be delivered.