Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[ali_raza]

Hi,

There is no doubt that hey are terrible at deal making---.

Pakistanis in general are very stiff and stubborn people---americans if you can make buddies with them will do wonders for you---like how they gave us nuc scientists in the 60's & 70's and then nuc program---.

Yes---pakistan is basically a lost cause---. The deal making mentality of the americans has cost the americans pakistan---.

Deal making is a habbit with them---that is who the americans are ---they don't know any different how to act and behave----. They assune that other person is a weak person if they don't know how to make a deal---.

They don't understand that it is against pakistan's culture to make deals make your friends---. You to learn to be reasonable and accomodating---and that is that last thing an american is---.

well the truth is when some guy come to america to beg for some aid.and in the next sentence start talking about billions in arm now that is not going to sit well doesn’t it.
on the other hand had the mushi or whtever after him had got FTA and some rupee stabilization which he got for 3 years i guess
and say no to aid at all.
these 2 things would have made pakistan a trillion dollars economy by now its 20 years since 9/11

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

F-16 procurement is next to impossible---.

Taking indian's attention away from pakistan towards china is inherently impossible---can't happen---won't happen---will never happen---.

Not impossible lately, talks are happening. Can't say more than that. It was a lot impossible before as well. Yet somehow Vipers came, the biggest mindset was that the C/D version would never come to Pak. And it was fruitful during ops near Afghanistan and Waziristan.

One thing though, they could've come up with a much sharper way in securing a deal, but the ultimate power lies with the Government and not PAF.

 

[Trango Towers]

Not impossible lately, talks are happening. Can't say more than that. It was a lot impossible before as well. Yet somehow Vipers came, the biggest mindset was that the C/D version would never come to Pak. And it was fruitful during ops near Afghanistan and Waziristan.

One thing though, they could've come up with a much sharper way in securing a deal, but the ultimate power lies with the Government and not PAF.

Not again...
Talks happening...loool

 

[Raider 21]

Not again...
Talks happening...loool

Yes and other platforms as well, not solely Chinese and American

 

[ziaulislam]

Hi,

F-16 procurement is next to impossible---.

Taking indian's attention away from pakistan towards china is inherently impossible---can't happen---won't happen---will never happen---.[/QUOTE

Yes and other platforms as well, not solely Chinese and American

We saw a sudden deal in 2005(that time block 52 was like next gen aircraft in south asia, we came to know that 15 yrs later) and than another deal in obama era(though scuttled)..
The time is perfect now..it all depends upon who wins the lobbying contest

 

[The Raven]

We can't even buy Cobra gunships, whether subsidised or using our own funds, let alone new block Vipers. At best, the only additional Vipers we could get are excess defence articles and perhaps upgraded. If the government and PAF are still pursuing new deals with the US, even after the fiasco of the Cobras and the T-129, then that says a lot about Pakistanis.

 

[Cuirassier]

We can't even buy Cobra gunships, whether subsidised or using our own funds, let alone new block Vipers. At best, the only additional Vipers we could get are excess defence articles and perhaps upgraded. If the government and PAF are still pursuing new deals with the US, even after the fiasco of the Cobras and the T-129, then that says a lot about Pakistanis.

We are Sheikhs

 

[Blacklight]

Ask @Khafee he started the block 70 rumour and everyone jumped on board. Now why has he disappeared? The amount of abuse I got for calling him out. Ooof. He was a chosen one ...
By the mods. Loool

I'm in contact with him on his forum, as well as my cousins in PAF. He was right.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

was

was or is?

 

[Blacklight]

was or is?

Dear, both.

 

[SQ8]

Not again...
Talks happening...loool

Talks happen all the time - whether they materialize or not is the question. My employers were in talks for a technology partnership with three firms prior to coronavirus hit - now all of those are stalled or in the backburner. Doesn’t mean we did not have a meeting, chalk up NDA’s and get initial quotes.. unfortunately the simpleton nature of interpretations of talks for online Pakistani fanboys is “Its coming tomorrow, Alhamdulillah!!”

 

[The Raven]

Talks happen all the time - whether they materialize or not is the question. My employers were in talks for a technology partnership with three firms prior to coronavirus hit - now all of those are stalled or in the backburner. Doesn’t mean we did not have a meeting, chalk up NDA’s and get initial quotes.. unfortunately the simpleton nature of interpretations of talks for online Pakistani fanboys is “Its coming tomorrow, Alhamdulillah!!”

In this case, it's not as simple as that. The question here is why the Pak government and PAF would even be considering, let alone having talks, for further acquisitions of new Block Vipers given the history of procuring equipment from the US, as demonstrated by the recent debacle of the Cobras, the T-129, and previous attempts as securing more Vipers. I can perfectly understand the appeal, but either the Pakistanis haven't really learnt anything, or they're willing to eat more soya beans.

 

[Caprxl]

In this case, it's not as simple as that. The question here is why the Pak government and PAF would even be considering, let alone having talks, for further acquisitions of new Block Vipers given the history of procuring equipment from the US, as demonstrated by the recent debacle of the Cobras, the T-129, and previous attempts as securing more Vipers. I can perfectly understand the appeal, but either the Pakistanis haven't really learnt anything, or they're willing to eat more soya beans.

Maybe, CSF will be used with minute input from PAF funds, if this is the case, a big IF;
then it is better than procuring any new 4/ 4.5 Gen Platform & incorporating all d infrastructure cost & man hours in training Flight Crew, Engineers & the drivers.

So Thunder, Vipers will be good while work on Azm continues.

 

[SQ8]

In this case, it's not as simple as that. The question here is why the Pak government and PAF would even be considering, let alone having talks, for further acquisitions of new Block Vipers given the history of procuring equipment from the US, as demonstrated by the recent debacle of the Cobras, the T-129, and previous attempts as securing more Vipers. I can perfectly understand the appeal, but either the Pakistanis haven't really learnt anything, or they're willing to eat more soya beans.

Your post answers the questions you pose. The appeal is a known, combat proven system on which we have expertise and will offer all the capabilities we need to match up to our adversary.

The issue is our reliance on external financing for FMS sales - soya beans aren’t going to come into play so long as the US wants to ensure Afghanistan doesn’t turn into an unrecognizable mess with Iranian influences in its south.

What is lacking isn’t the understanding of the risks but the right people to manage and mitigate them.

 

[Trango Towers]

Talks happen all the time - whether they materialize or not is the question. My employers were in talks for a technology partnership with three firms prior to coronavirus hit - now all of those are stalled or in the backburner. Doesn’t mean we did not have a meeting, chalk up NDA’s and get initial quotes.. unfortunately the simpleton nature of interpretations of talks for online Pakistani fanboys is “Its coming tomorrow, Alhamdulillah!!”

I would rather no f16 come and we focus on our own money