Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Syed1.]

Undoubtedly one of the most beautiful platforms ever built. I cant think ofa more beautiful sight than an F16 flying past or better still taking off.
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Please watch vids of F-22, we in Pakistan love the Viper but honestly it is quite an old platform now.

 

[air marshal]

https://falcons.pk/photo/General-Dynamics-F-16A-ADF-Fighting-Falcon/2698

 

[araz]

Please watch vids of F-22, we in Pakistan love the Viper but honestly it is quite an old platform now.

I am talking of form and aesthetics. I dont think the 22 has quite the mass appeal as does the 16.
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[hassan1]

 

[DrWatson775]

I am talking of form and aesthetics. I dont think the 22 has quite the mass appeal as does the 16.

The PAF roundel on the F16 has a lot to do with the appeal too… . for me.

 

[Witcher]

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/fli...missile-lock-from-pakistani-f-16-three-times/

 

[airomerix]

F-16C/D Block 52s at Nellis.

 

[Raider 21]

F-16C/D Block 52s at Nellis.

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These guys had a ball of a time there. Great share !!!

 

[Bossman]

Please watch vids of F-22, we in Pakistan love the Viper but honestly it is quite an old platform now.

So what should we be watching, videos of F-22? We have no issues with the Americans, our fight is with the Indians and to best of my knowledge Indian don’t have F-22s. And do you think that people on this forum already don’t know what you are telling them? This is a Pakistan Defense Forum and not an aviation forum. You want vids of F-22, I will recommend other sites. Stop showing your stupidity here.

 

[Syed1.]

So what should we be watching, videos of F-22? We have no issues with the Americans, our fight is with the Indians and to best of my knowledge Indian don’t have F-22s. And do you think that people on this forum already don’t know what you are telling them? This is a Pakistan Defense Forum and not an aviation forum. You want vids of F-22, I will recommend other sites. Stop showing your stupidity here.

Not sure why you got your panties in a twist over my post. You have anger management issues son.

 

[Danish Moazzam]

To me F-16 Are beautiful but not the newer block with the odd spine, it is clearly an aesthetic afterthought.

The Early Block block 15 that is one S3xy plane. In terms of visual and appearance the Rafale is a beautiful looking aircraft. in sigle engine the grippen is also a beautiful aircraft.

So in my ranking in terms of Looks alone (Currently in production)

1. Grippen (in single Engine)
1. Rafale (twin Engine)
2. F-22
3. F-16 Newer gen
4. Jeff used to look ugly and odd in the early days, but now it has started to become more and more appealing.

Personal opinion

 

[Trailer23]

So in my ranking in terms of Looks alone (Currently in production)

1. Grippen (in single Engine)
1. Rafale (twin Engine)
2. F-22
3. F-16 Newer gen
4. Jeff used to look ugly and odd in the early days, but now it has started to become more and more appealing.

Seems like a fair list - in terms of opinion, ofcourse.

Although, you ranked the Gripen & Rafale both at #1. And secondly, the F-22 (Raptor) isn't currently in production.

The F-22 went out of production back in 2011 & Congress does not have any plans of reviving that project again. You could list the F-35 (JSF/Lighting) in its place. Its just a bulkier version of the Raptor.

I would personally swap that F-16 with the Gripen - in a heartbeat. Yeah sure the Rafale is nice looking jet too & highly capable. But, nothing beats the F-16 in the 4th Generation category.

 

[Danish Moazzam]

Seems like a fair list - in terms of opinion, ofcourse.

Although, you ranked the Gripen & Rafale both at #1. And secondly, the F-22 (Raptor) isn't currently in production.

The F-22 went out of production back in 2011 & Congress does not have any plans of reviving that project again. You could list the F-35 (JSF/Lighting) in its place. Its just a bulkier version of the Raptor.

I would personally swap that F-16 with the Gripen - in a heartbeat. Yeah sure the Rafale is nice looking jet too & highly capable. But, nothing beats the F-16 in the 4th Generation category.

oops sorry then Raptor Out, F-35 is pretty but at times it looks like a pregnant toad(no offence)

Both grippen and Rafale because single engine and double engine. Cnat really choose one from the other.

F-16 blk-15 would have been number one but the newer block with the odd spine does not look good.

 

[Aadi_1591]

In theory, yes, the PAF can pursue used F-16s. Pakistan is (on paper) a Major Non-NATO Ally (MNNA) and can request access to mothballed ex-US equipment, and only pay for refurbishing them (under the Excess Defence Articles) program.

But when it comes to Pakistan, the theory doesn't apply.

The US isn't in the mood to help Pakistan get militarily stronger (as that'd concern India, which the US is working to get on board to help contain China).

The US wants normalization of ties between India and Pakistan (read: for India to get what it wants so that it can focus on China ... aka de-fang Pakistan).

The US is not going to de-fang Pakistan, but it doesn't want to sharpen those fangs either -- unless now India becomes a threat to the US.

That latter issue is at play from a policy standpoint, which has made getting used US equipment difficult for Pakistan. It's not just the F-16s, but also old helicopters, C-130s, old frigates, etc, you name it.

TLDR: The PAF is on everyone's sh!t list, more so than even the Pak Army or Pak Navy. Basically, air power is a strategic asset, especially if you have offensively capable assets and the freedom to equip, configure and deploy them at will.

And Pakistan is currently in a situation where it is an indirect threat to US interests (i.e., diverting India's attention away from China). The US will deny us that asset.

So, the only way to break from that is to (1) structurally transform your economy and get a miracle in your name so that you can outspend India on defence and/or (2) get solutions of your own like Project AZM.

cant wait to see your face when 36 new vipers block72 start landing and cherry on top 9 c130, 20 used f16 and 12 zulus as well are coming

 

[mingle]

cant wait to see your face when 36 new vipers block72 start landing and cherry on top 9 c130, 20 used f16 and 12 zulus as well are coming

It's not 72 its Blk70 with GE engines single seat.