Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[khanasifm]

The last 8 f-16 were a joint paf and LM proposal to use coalition support funds towards f-16 buy so paf was responsible for ~250 million and remainder were support funds

Now paf can pay same amount to buy full sqn strength of jf and if full amount of ~1 B meaning 2.5 t 3 sqn of jf

 

[Talon]

Feel the heat

 

[Signalian]

That option expired a long time ago

That has long since expired. The option for F-16 is apparently there, just not usong FMS or aid. In other words, PAF would have to pay full price which it wont do for Blk 52+ and probably cant do if blk 72 is on the table. It is better to put money towards Azm with eyes to cooperate with Turkey or China on their respective FGFA projects.

If that is your take on it, then must be true, wont refute it. I have been told otherwise. It was discussed before also.

 

[Shabi1]

Now where have I seen that air intake before...
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Oh yeah...

Yep testbed for X-32 JSF entry by Boeing.

This and the AFTI V canards didnt progress further because both sacrifice the chin intakes which have more practical use.

 

[Ali_Baba]

New build F16s make no sense for PAF now given how long it takes to manufacture and deliver one. A lot of politics can happen in that time, to delay or stop delivery. Not worth the financial risk.

Best option, if it is available is to pick up 2nd units and have them delivered quickly etc. Work with Turkey on upgrades.

Old = best for PAF in this case, New = a disaster..

 

[mingle]

New build F16s make no sense for PAF now given how long it takes to manufacture and deliver one. A lot of politics can happen in that time, to delay or stop delivery. Not worth the financial risk.

Best option, if it is available is to pick up 2nd units and have them delivered quickly etc. Work with Turkey on upgrades.

Old = best for PAF in this case, New = a disaster..

Or New off the shelf and used as many as we can get along V AESA upgrades yes alot of AMRAAM Rrounds

 

[cloud4000]

Interesting conversations about getting fighters from US, ranging from zero chance to anything Pakistan wants. Of course, the answer is probably in the middle.

But whatever Pakistan, it better start seriously lobby Congress, since the control both permissions and funding. Forget what Trump might agree to, but it’s ultimately Congress that decides.

Still, I can see at least the AH-1zs being delivered soon after a peace deal is signed with Taliban.

 

[mingle]

Interesting conversations about getting fighters from US, ranging from zero chance to anything Pakistan wants. Of course, the answer is probably in the middle.

But whatever Pakistan, it better start seriously lobby Congress, since the control both permissions and funding. Forget what Trump might agree to, but it’s ultimately Congress that decides.

Still, I can see at least the AH-1zs being delivered soon after a peace deal is signed with Taliban.

Congress is not issue all the time deal between Pak and US usually get through Congress issue is price and payment.PA

Interesting conversations about getting fighters from US, ranging from zero chance to anything Pakistan wants. Of course, the answer is probably in the middle.

But whatever Pakistan, it better start seriously lobby Congress, since the control both permissions and funding. Forget what Trump might agree to, but it’s ultimately Congress that decides.

Still, I can see at least the AH-1zs being delivered soon after a peace deal is signed with Taliban.

So far Govt is sitting tight let's see what comes out from box as one respected member @Knuckles last Year IK trip to DC US offered F15 E to PAF. LM is doing fine with F35 and still F16 is selling like hott cakes its Boeing which needs orders like they cutting down production of F18 super Hornets. Not many F15 E orders in pipeline. Let's see what PAF after this time door is open for PAF. PAF wants payment through CSF which needs to be resolve after peace deal I believe this issue will resolve as well its about 8-10 billions

 

[mshan44]

F-16AM from Squadron # 9 “GRIFFINS” performing over Sargodha at 09:00 hours

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Congress is not issue all the time deal between Pak and US usually get through Congress issue is price and payment.PA

So far Govt is sitting tight let's see what comes out from box as one respected member @Knuckles last Year IK trip to DC US offered F15 E to PAF. LM is doing fine with F35 and still F16 is selling like hott cakes its Boeing which needs orders like they cutting down production of F18 super Hornets. Not many F15 E orders in pipeline. Let's see what PAF after this time door is open for PAF. PAF wants payment through CSF which needs to be resolve after peace deal I believe this issue will resolve as well its about 8-10 billions

U do not know how much US has been Indianfied! Unless US wants to upset their big market India, no F-16s or even AH-1 from uncle sam.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

U do not know how much US has been Indianfied! Unless US wants to upset their big market India, no F-16s or even AH-1 from uncle sam.

US is not dependent on India. Its the otherway around. Last time Congress blocked the sale but we still got F-16s from Jordan and got them MLUed.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

US is not dependent on India. Its the otherway around. Last time Congress blocked the sale but we still got F-16s from Jordan and got them MLUed.

This was 10 years ago and today Indian lobby is 10 times stronger! You do not know how many important positions Indian origin hold in US government and businesses, and US is in a stage that it would never jeopardize their relationship with India.
Next time Pakistan gets something from US is when they need Pakistan to do their dirty work.

 

[The Eagle]

Forget what Trump might agree to, but it’s ultimately Congress that decides.

Just to put a hold on this narrative, POTUS can overpass congress in this case. Ref: last KSA selling. The issue isn't either POTUS or Congress but more about paying upfront as compare to utilizing FMS & CSF.

Regards,

 

[StormBreaker]

Just to put a hold on this narrative, POTUS can overpass congress in this case. Ref: last KSA selling. The issue isn't either POTUS or Congress but more about paying upfront as compare to utilizing FMS & CSF.

Regards,

I still believe in Sir Khafee, things are really complicated between Pak and US but nothing that a deal couldn’t come out of, do you still see a dim hope as well ?

I don’t see india further pursuing any aircraft from USA tho. Neither F-18 or F-21/15

 

[The Eagle]

I still believe in Sir Khafee, things are really complicated between Pak and US but nothing that a deal couldn’t come out of, do you still see a dim hope as well ?

I don’t see india further pursuing any aircraft from USA tho. Neither F-18 or F-21/15

Don't want to throw a spanner in already confused debate but one thing is for sure that the issue will remain in regard to paying upfront viz a viz utilizing fund money. If it ever came to materialize, the issue of money will be there. However, there are issues such as Afghanistan Peace Deal etc that we can refer to press upon such possibility. The deal as such depends upon US benefit. If Washington sees the benefit, it will go through by one way or another and then may be described as balancing the power in region which is never a primary case of these sales.