Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[razgriz19]

If you have AIM9X, it can superseed the AIM9s anyway, why use both, when AIM9X is clearly better....?

I was surprised that PAF only ordered 200 AIM9s but 500 BVR AMRAAMs.......they might have had the AIM9X on the cards....but don't know what is the deal now.......we should have those by now.....

well PAF already has crap ton of AIM-9s, they can't just dump them if they're still fairly new. Those 200 were just follow on order for the new F-16s. One reason I can think of is that US started taking deliveries around 2005, and this was around the time deal was done for the block 52 F-16s. Same dilemma as AH-1Z viper, US first policy.
International users have just recently started using AIM-9X. We can get them if we order now. I'm sure its on the cards since they're using JHMCS on most f-16s. That was the main purpose of owning a JHMCS.
Maybe timing is not right at the moment. We can order equipment related to ground strikes, but ordering a 5th generation missiles would definitely raise eyebrows everywhere. Not to mention India will get a heart attack.

 

[fatman17]

well PAF already has crap ton of AIM-9s, they can't just dump them if they're still fairly new. Those 200 were just follow on order for the new F-16s. One reason I can think of is that US started taking deliveries around 2005, and this was around the time deal was done for the block 52 F-16s. Same dilemma as AH-1Z viper, US first policy.
International users have just recently started using AIM-9X. We can get them if we order now. I'm sure its on the cards since they're using JHMCS on most f-16s. That was the main purpose of owning a JHMCS.
Maybe timing is not right at the moment. We can order equipment related to ground strikes, but ordering a 5th generation missiles would definitely raise eyebrows everywhere. Not to mention India will get a heart attack.

Sorry sidewinder Aim9s are not crap

 

[Mani2020]

Sorry sidewinder Aim9s are not crap

I guess he was talking in relative terms ... When paf had gotten their hands on latest variant why did they go with the older ones especially when they knew our older f-16s will be capable of firing them too after mlu

 

[JPMM]

Hi! some people have douts about the F16 fleet that came from Jordan. I have a "Air Forces Monthly" from Feb99 with an article about it, it says:

12 F16A & 4 F16B Block-15ADF delivered in 17 December 1997 to 30 March 1998
"The ADF is the only version equiped with the AN/APG-66(V)1 radar with a continuous-wave illumination capability to provide guidance from the AIM-7 Sparrow"
"The 16 F16 for Jordan were taken from AMARC Arizona, were they had been in storage since between June 1994 and October 1995 after serving the Air National Guard. Starting in September 1995, the aircraft were transfered to ALC Hill AFB for a complete overhaul and to go through the Falcon Up/Service Life Improvement Programe. This overhaul includes structural modifications whitch double the projected airframe service life to 8000 flying hours. Major tasks included bead blasting the old paint of the aircraft, performing functional check flights and redyng the aircraft for delivery. Workshop personnel overhauled wings, control surfaces, canopies and redomes, then inspected and repaired avionics, radars, instruments, control panels and other critical aircraft systems, such as external fuel tanks, pylons, AIM9 missile launchers, ejection seats and 20mm gun system. Furthermore the aircraft were fitted with PW 26660lbst F-100-PW-220E turbofan engines and a Ring Laser Gyro INS. Interestingly, the aircraft retained the Teledyne/E-Systems AN/APX-109 Mk.XI AIFF system. This system - distingwishable by the blade antenna arrays forward of the canopy and below the intake - is unique to the ADF and was not cleared for export until recently. In adition, the jordanian F16s are fitted with Bendix/King AN/ARC-200 High Frequency/Single Side Band Radios, wich are a standard feature of the ADF version"

Serial numbers were:
F16A 80-0544
F16A 80-0546
F16A 80-0547
F16A 80-0555
F16A 80-0582
F16A 80-0585
F16A 80-0590
F16A 80-0592
F16A 80-0618
F16A 81-0672
F16A 81-0689
F16A 81-0714
F16B 82-1028
F16B 82-1030
F16B 82-1044
F16B 82-1048

 

[fatman17]

Hi! some people have douts about the F16 fleet that came from Jordan. I have a "Air Forces Monthly" from Feb99 with an article about it, it says:

12 F16A & 4 F16B Block-15ADF delivered in 17 December 1997 to 30 March 1998
"The ADF is the only version equiped with the AN/APG-66(V)1 radar with a continuous-wave illumination capability to provide guidance from the AIM-7 Sparrow"
"The 16 F16 for Jordan were taken from AMARC Arizona, were they had been in storage since between June 1994 and October 1995 after serving the Air National Guard. Starting in September 1995, the aircraft were transfered to ALC Hill AFB for a complete overhaul and to go through the Falcon Up/Service Life Improvement Programe. This overhaul includes structural modifications whitch double the projected airframe service life to 8000 flying hours. Major tasks included bead blasting the old paint of the aircraft, performing functional check flights and redyng the aircraft for delivery. Workshop personnel overhauled wings, control surfaces, canopies and redomes, then inspected and repaired avionics, radars, instruments, control panels and other critical aircraft systems, such as external fuel tanks, pylons, AIM9 missile launchers, ejection seats and 20mm gun system. Furthermore the aircraft were fitted with PW 26660lbst F-100-PW-220E turbofan engines and a Ring Laser Gyro INS. Interestingly, the aircraft retained the Teledyne/E-Systems AN/APX-109 Mk.XI AIFF system. This system - distingwishable by the blade antenna arrays forward of the canopy and below the intake - is unique to the ADF and was not cleared for export until recently. In adition, the jordanian F16s are fitted with Bendix/King AN/ARC-200 High Frequency/Single Side Band Radios, wich are a standard feature of the ADF version"

Serial numbers were:
F16A 80-0544
F16A 80-0546
F16A 80-0547
F16A 80-0555
F16A 80-0582
F16A 80-0585
F16A 80-0590
F16A 80-0592
F16A 80-0618
F16A 81-0672
F16A 81-0689
F16A 81-0714
F16B 82-1028
F16B 82-1030
F16B 82-1044
F16B 82-1048

Good to know

 

[fatman17]

I guess he was talking in relative terms ... When paf had gotten their hands on latest variant why did they go with the older ones especially when they knew our older f-16s will be capable of firing them too after mlu

All rounds purchased upgraded before the MLU.

 

[Mani2020]

All rounds purchased upgraded before the MLU.

He was reffering to aim 9x and I don't think paf aim9s are or can be upgraded to aim 9x level ...simply because some of the advanced features of aim9x such as 3 dimensional tvc , compatibility with jhmcs etc .correct me if I am wrong here

 

[Windjammer]

 

[fatman17]

He was reffering to aim 9x and I don't think paf aim9s are or can be upgraded to aim 9x level ...simply because some of the advanced features of aim9x such as 3 dimensional tvc , compatibility with jhmcs etc .correct me if I am wrong here

Did l say that. I don't think so

 

[Mani2020]

Did l say that. I don't think so

then what was the point in mentioning the upgrades when the variant under discussion was Aim 9x ? The discussion was why paf didn't go for Aim 9x when they knew after mlu even the older f-16s will be capable of firing them....simple...and you brought Aim-9 upgrades point which by the way are still inferior to the latest variant ..so we are on ground zero again.

 

[fatman17]

then what was the point in mentioning the upgrades when the variant under discussion was Aim 9x ? The discussion was why paf didn't go for Aim 9x when they knew after mlu even the older f-16s will be capable of firing them....simple...and you brought Aim-9 upgrades point which by the way are still inferior to the latest variant ..so we are on ground zero again.

The 9x was not on offer at that time. Can't have everything everytime

 

[Mani2020]

The 9x was not on offer at that time. Can't have everything everytime

As far as i know AIM9x became operational during 2003... So when US can offer latest f-16s , Aim-120s and other goodies ,why they would be so fussy about aim 9x?

 

[Donatello]

As far as i know AIM9x became operational during 2003... So when US can offer latest f-16s , Aim-120s and other goodies ,why they would be so fussy about aim 9x?

Sometimes export restrictions are placed, as they don't know how the new technology will affect the balance of power.

 

[araz]

As far as i know AIM9x became operational during 2003... So when US can offer latest f-16s , Aim-120s and other goodies ,why they would be so fussy about aim 9x?

To give you another example the USAF was using AMRAAM C7 yet we bought C5s. So yes USAAF might have had AIM9X but it was not offered and sometimes it is appropriate to not ask for something you know will get refused.
Araz

 

[Beethoven]

Hi Guys,
Any updates on the 18 remaining F-16 -52's.