Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[aliyusuf]

fanboy exuberance!

 

[Maarkhoor]

Officers of the Chilean Air Force advise Colombia Air Force not to buy second hand F-16s

but paf is getting more used f-16s
why

Our PAF is in love with amreekazzz weaponary...

why Wikipedia is showing
99 f-16s in paf inventory

Login and edit Wikipedia make it 199 its Wikipedia.

 

[Windjammer]

Supporting a JHMCS, a Block-52 pilot gives the thumbs up.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Supporting a JHMCS, a Block-52 pilot gives the thumbs up.

I want to see this feature on JF-17

 

[fatman17]

Someone in 2007 told me that the package of 58M2K5s ex French that was negotiated with plenty of spares with the french were for 20 million $ per plane. Iam merely repeating what I have been told.
Your assumption of 3 squadrons is probably on the mark as it would obviate the need for anyother aircraft other than upgraded JFTs and even for that there wont be any significant hurry. However as you have mentioned US policy at the moment and our economy are hindrances to such a deal. We will need to wait till 2017 to find out what is coming our way. Beyond that if the US leaning towards our neighbours increases anymore we may have to resort to either a plan B or increasingly rely on later versions of JFT to do the job. This maynot be ideal but I think our economic condition is unlikely to improve till 2020 or later.

Mirage 2000 was offered at $ 60 mill per copy. Main reason for failure to obtain these aircraft.

 

[fatman17]

why Wikipedia is showing
99 f-16s in paf inventory

Bcuz wiki is not accurate

 

[fatman17]

It is bigger than that. After the MLU, PAF is unique to hold one of the biggest rotable and spare inventory of the Block 15 circa aircraft. While others will struggle with obsolescence, we have a huge stock of material which can be used to support the F16 from that time. It makes sense for PAF to get older F16s.

Replicating the Mirage strategy here also

 

[black-hawk_101]

Any chances of PAF buying some more new f16

 

[nomi007]

Bcuz wiki is not accurate

so how many f-16s we have

 

[aliyusuf]

1983-87 --> 40 F-16 Block-15s (28As and 12Bs) --> lost 8 in accidents --> 32 remain (all MLU-ed)
2005-07 --> 14 F-16 Block15OCUs (3As and 11Bs) --> lost 1 in accident --> 13 remain (all MLU-ed)
2008-10 --> 18 F-16 Block-52+ (12Cs and 6Ds)
2014 --> 13 F-16 Block-15ADF(Either 11As and 2Bs or 9As and 4Bs)

So total F-16 fleet = 32 +13 + 18 +13 = 76

Operated from Sqd 5, 9, 11 and 19.

 

[ecostar]

Pakistan Air Force will get six F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets from United States today. This will bring the total number of F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets with Pakistan Air Force to 12. Remaining six F-16 C/D Block 52+ will arrive in Pakistan next month. Pakistani government have taken up the option of another 18 F-16 C/D Block 52+ which will bring the total number of F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets in PAF to 36.
These aircrafts are equipped with the AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM beyond the visual range missiles to deal with the threats beyond the range of short range missiles. This makes F-16 C/D Block 52+ first air craft in Pakistani service that is equipped with such capability. By the end of 2010, JF-17 Thunders with SD-10A BVRAAM will join the F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets to provide airdefense with long range BVRAAMs.
AIM-120 AMRAAM is the most advance western missile in its category which was designed as an all-weather, active radar-guided missile to destroy the threats beyond the line of sight. Fist version of AIM-120 was designated AIM-120A and an improved version was developed from 1989 called AIM-120B. AIM-120 C was developed with a reduced wing and fin span to fit inside the internal weapons carriage on the F-22 Raptor stealth aircraft.
Improver version called AIM-120 C-5 was tested for the first time in 1998. This version of AMRAAM was tested with dual-mode passive and active radar seeker that allowed the AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM to detect and home onto enemy aircraft radar transmissions. The AIM-120 AMRAAM missile is 3.65 m long, has a body diameter of 178 mm, a fin span of 0.63 m and a launch weight of 157 kg. The fixed central wings have a span of 0.53 m and a 22 kg HE directed fragmentation warhead. AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM missile has a reduced wing span of 0.445 m, fin span of 0.447 m and has a larger motor.
Serial numbers of the F-16 C/D Block 52+ which will arrive today are
10803
10907
10908
10904
10909
10910

PAF’s F-16 C/D block 52+ are equipped with the AN/APG-68 V (9) radar which offers much improved air-to-air defense and air-to-ground attack capabilities. AN/APG-68 V(9) radar can detect targets at much longer ranges as detection range is increased by 30 percent over the previous versions of the radar.
In ground attack role it offers two-foot resolution in new Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) mode. This will allow PAF to use these newly purchased F-16 C/D block 52+ fighter jets in all weather delivery of precision guided weapons from the standoff ranges.
news from pkmr.blogspot

 

[araz]

Pakistan Air Force will get six F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets from United States today. This will bring the total number of F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets with Pakistan Air Force to 12. Remaining six F-16 C/D Block 52+ will arrive in Pakistan next month. Pakistani government have taken up the option of another 18 F-16 C/D Block 52+ which will bring the total number of F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets in PAF to 36.
These aircrafts are equipped with the AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM beyond the visual range missiles to deal with the threats beyond the range of short range missiles. This makes F-16 C/D Block 52+ first air craft in Pakistani service that is equipped with such capability. By the end of 2010, JF-17 Thunders with SD-10A BVRAAM will join the F-16 C/D Block 52+ fighter jets to provide airdefense with long range BVRAAMs.
AIM-120 AMRAAM is the most advance western missile in its category which was designed as an all-weather, active radar-guided missile to destroy the threats beyond the line of sight. Fist version of AIM-120 was designated AIM-120A and an improved version was developed from 1989 called AIM-120B. AIM-120 C was developed with a reduced wing and fin span to fit inside the internal weapons carriage on the F-22 Raptor stealth aircraft.
Improver version called AIM-120 C-5 was tested for the first time in 1998. This version of AMRAAM was tested with dual-mode passive and active radar seeker that allowed the AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM to detect and home onto enemy aircraft radar transmissions. The AIM-120 AMRAAM missile is 3.65 m long, has a body diameter of 178 mm, a fin span of 0.63 m and a launch weight of 157 kg. The fixed central wings have a span of 0.53 m and a 22 kg HE directed fragmentation warhead. AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM missile has a reduced wing span of 0.445 m, fin span of 0.447 m and has a larger motor.
Serial numbers of the F-16 C/D Block 52+ which will arrive today are
10803
10907
10908
10904
10909
10910

PAF’s F-16 C/D block 52+ are equipped with the AN/APG-68 V (9) radar which offers much improved air-to-air defense and air-to-ground attack capabilities. AN/APG-68 V(9) radar can detect targets at much longer ranges as detection range is increased by 30 percent over the previous versions of the radar.
In ground attack role it offers two-foot resolution in new Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) mode. This will allow PAF to use these newly purchased F-16 C/D block 52+ fighter jets in all weather delivery of precision guided weapons from the standoff ranges.
news from pkmr.blogspot

A good copy paste job but terribly out of date. This pertains to the first sale of F16s Bl.52s and talks of delivery of ACs 7-12. As to whether we are going to get more there is always hope but to the best of my knowledge nothing has been confirmed yet.
Araz

 

[monitor]

A Medley of Junaid Jamshed songs & "Tum hi se ae Mujahido" re-sung by Soch Band.
Video has mostly footage from Mushaf AB, Sargodha & PAF Academy Risalpur.

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[Basel]

well PAF already has crap ton of AIM-9s, they can't just dump them if they're still fairly new. Those 200 were just follow on order for the new F-16s. One reason I can think of is that US started taking deliveries around 2005, and this was around the time deal was done for the block 52 F-16s. Same dilemma as AH-1Z viper, US first policy.
International users have just recently started using AIM-9X. We can get them if we order now. I'm sure its on the cards since they're using JHMCS on most f-16s. That was the main purpose of owning a JHMCS.
Maybe timing is not right at the moment. We can order equipment related to ground strikes, but ordering a 5th generation missiles would definitely raise eyebrows everywhere. Not to mention India will get a heart attack.

If that was the case then why PAF did not went for new westerns WVR missiles like IRIS-T or ASRAAM or Mica-IR??

Hi,

Actually there is lot more that is happening in the procurement department other than the F 16 and JF17---. The information will be released when the first batch of aircraft are available or delivered.

What you have info about that procurement option platforms?? please share

 

[Quwa]

Any chances of PAF buying some more new f16

Possibly, assuming the PAF wants to spend at least $1bn on a squadron of new built planes. But it could get surplus C/D and Block-52 level upgrade kits for $30-35mn a plane, and I think that is the route PAF would prefer going. Ideally 18 new Block-52+ and 36~54 surplus upgraded C/Ds.