Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Safriz]

A noob question :

Have we managed to reverse engineer any part of these F-16s that we've been flying for the better part of 2-3 decades now ? Perhaps some avionics, something significant that we learned during overhauling the engines or be able to reverse engineer some of the armaments that these birds carried ?

there were many such rumors in the past and may well be true..
But due to copyright restrictions it wont be officially admitted.

 

[fatman17]

there were many such rumors in the past and may well be true..
But due to copyright restrictions it wont be officially admitted.

nothing of the such has happened. when the embargo was on, PAF purchased spares from open commercial sources and paid a heavy price for them. recently they have ordered spares worth US$75m, mainly for F16's under FMS.

 

[SQ8]

A noob question :

Have we managed to reverse engineer any part of these F-16s that we've been flying for the better part of 2-3 decades now ? Perhaps some avionics, something significant that we learned during overhauling the engines or be able to reverse engineer some of the armaments that these birds carried ?

Never.. the PAF may be sources upgrade parts and spares from the open market(Israel etc).. but apart from coming up with a half baked data cartridge for mission planning.. they never reverse engineered anything.

 

[Safriz]

nothing of the such has happened. when the embargo was on, PAF purchased spares from open commercial sources and paid a heavy price for them. recently they have ordered spares worth US$75m, mainly for F16's under FMS.

i have a bad memory but there was a report in a PAF megazine of an airman being courtmarshalled on tampering with F-16 parts......
he had been doing "jugaarh" on cartain parts and extending their life .

 

[SQ8]

i have a bad memory but there was a report in a PAF megazine of an airman being courtmarshalled on tampering with F-16 parts......
he had been doing "jugaarh" on cartain parts and extending their life .

Such idiocy's have happened before.. such as some "enterprising" airman deciding to use mirage nuts,bolts..etc on an F-16 which led to its loss(91).

 

[epinephrine]

any link abut jft slow production sir?
BTW in 2006 when we by f-16 we have options more then these three still we select it because fill the gap and pass the time till we have jf-17 and j-10 in hands . now we actually don't need more fighters but we need to wait .its not hobby to buy plane but needs .abut economy if you know it we have 10 years boom 10 years slow since 1947 .50s slow 60s fastest 70s slow 80fastest 90 slow 2000s was fastest dont you worry abut selling us . after MMRCA DONE now you can go grippen eu fighter j-11 j-10 even if you pay Russia will sold you mig-35 or su-35 . its not matter of no one want to sale its matter of are we need them and we have cash to spend on it .

so wat are the jets on our options beside F-16 and the chinese jets?rafale,typhoon,grippen,F-15,F-18,sukhois.we can never afford any of these jets except the grippen and we dont need grippen.it is not going to bring anything newer so we dont need it.so by default we are left with F-16s n chinese jets.
u dont need any link for the slow production rate of JF-17.u can see it with ur own eyes.around 35 jets so far.so how long we will take to induct thunders in sufficient numbers to replace all mirages and F-7s?
u said we dont need jets.look at our fleet.mirages and F-7 are obsolete by any standards.ROSE mirages are better but still their basic design is more than half a century old.the crash rate is increasing.we do need jets but the problem is we neither have the money nor the "options".so wat we do is wait till we make JFTs in numbers n china develops J-10B or we do more dirty work for america n get more F-16S.in my opnion the last option is the worst option

 

[Armstrong]

nothing of the such has happened. when the embargo was on, PAF purchased spares from open commercial sources and paid a heavy price for them. recently they have ordered spares worth US$75m, mainly for F16's under FMS.

Never.. the PAF may be sources upgrade parts and spares from the open market(Israel etc).. but apart from coming up with a half baked data cartridge for mission planning.. they never reverse engineered anything.

Any particular reason why ? Is it because reverse engineer involves a lot..lot more than just a two word term and we hadn't the capabilities to pull it off or is it because the PAF just didn't want to put in jeopardy any probable future acquisitions even if the component reverse engineered was insignificant with respect to the air-craft as a whole ? And does the same apply to the Mirages ?

 

[Storm Force]

Epinephrine

your rmark

can see it with ur own eyes.around 35 jets so far.so how long we will take to induct thunders in sufficient numbers to replace all mirages and F-7s?

35- JFT or 2 sdqs in 3 years is a REASONABLE RATE. of induction.

Dont read too much into FANBOY stuff of 200 Thunders by 2015 and stealth upgrades etc you will be disappointed.

4TH GENERATION combat planes are complex expensive hardware... PAF will need a FULL DECADE before this is inducted in useful nos and had at least one extenstive upgrade programme to block 2.

I am not just making this up i am using the examples of fighter programmes like su30mki typhoon & rafale and gripen ng. as good indications of annually procurement and timeframes from block 1 to block 2 upgrades...

 

[Najam Khan]

Never.. the PAF may be sources upgrade parts and spares from the open market(Israel etc).. but apart from coming up with a half baked data cartridge for mission planning.. they never reverse engineered anything.

Rumour has it that the F-16 which collided was a pig on the runway was given to Chinese for detail analysis. But we never reverse engineered anything...There is an interesting story I came across from an engineer. The original Mirages bought from France being v.expensive came with lots of strict SOPs and maintenance guidelines. Engineers never dared to open its components unless Sqn cmdr gives the permission. There was some component in its cockpit, which was regularly sent to France...and came back after great time and big invoice.

One day a young Flt Lt sahab decided to open that up on its own..when he opened it wasn't something complex. It had some rechargeable AA size batteries for backup power...since that day, PAF start repairing this module on its own

 

[Windjammer]

Rumour has it that the F-16 which collided was a pig on the runway was given to Chinese for detail analysis. But we never reverse engineered anything...There is an interesting story I came across from an engineer. The original Mirages bought from France being v.expensive came with lots of strict SOPs and maintenance guidelines. Engineers never dared to open its components unless Sqn cmdr gives the permission. There was some component in its cockpit, which was regularly sent to France...and came back after great time and big invoice.

One day a young Flt Lt sahab decided to open that up on its own..when he opened it wasn't something complex. It had some rechargeable AA size batteries for backup power...since that day, PAF start repairing this module on its own

It was actually a wild boar which took a liking to the Sargodha runway. The wrecked F-16 was indeed passed on to the Chinese.
Ironically, one of my first post on this forum touched this subject but a certain member was very critical of me and even requested the administration to "get this idiot off the forum". !!

 

[Armstrong]

The Air-Craft was passed onto the Chinese and the Americans didn't create any problems for us ? Strange...!

 

[Imran Khan]

The Air-Craft was passed onto the Chinese and the Americans didn't create any problems for us ? Strange...!

as they know what we did lolz. that time pakistan was not playground of CIA dear,
its happen on

18 Dec 1986 85609 81-1504 [PAF] PAF 38 TW F-16B Block 15U


Details

The aircraft took off from Sargodha AB and hit a wild boar causing the two pilots to eject.

 

[ziaulislam]

IF it happened then i think they knew about it but were quiet because of soviet problem and the fact that chinese were relatively friendly to them and anti soviet at that time.

 

[Jango]

One day a young Flt Lt sahab decided to open that up on its own..when he opened it wasn't something complex. It had some rechargeable AA size batteries for backup power...since that day, PAF start repairing this module on its own

Backup power?

Isn't there an APU for that???

Or is it for a small secluded component?

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

spoke to a iaf pilot today and he was adamant that mirages in iaf are far better than f16s in paf.

Well if you had asked him about TEJAS role for IAF you might get a positive Ans there as well.
It happens every where where. Glad it made u happy that was the real purpose of that answer.