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Pakistan Constitution should make hijab compulsory: JI

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Shahadah- How to say it, abide on it

Prayer- how to do the azan and conduct the prayers in the best manner in which ALLAH likes

Zakat - whom to pay and how much to pay as well as when to pay

Sawm- When to fast, When to break fast, Which other days are also good days to fast, How best to break the fast and so on

Hajj- How best to preform it- not like many who over-run others or smash others while doing ths duty
and also what to read and when to read.

Do the following math:

Prayer + Zakat + Swam + Hajj (MINUS) Shahadah = One innocent life?

Imagine if god did the math above.

Do the math again and again ..... and again......and again

Sect = How to guide on (Prayer + Zakat + Swam + Hajj)

Muslim = Shahadah!

Do the maths and tell me.....
 
now that I am being named as Kafir, let me tell you this, i belive in one God and he has no name, that suprem being tests us on every parameter and does not interven in ones actions, the cause and effect is completely the responsibility of the human and not that of the suprem being.

Kafir is just the Arabic word for non-believer...in Zarvan's sense NOT A BELIEVER OF ISLAM.

Well, you have a good definition of believe! :)
 
I disagree Hyperion. I can't go to a mosque and start shaking by bum and say Allah hu. That is not a prayer. There is a certain format in regarding to rakats ect.
 
Interesting! I wonder who was telling me the use of the word ignorant when they loose? And talk about snobbish blob! :)

Oh, Sorry was it stuck up? :D
Who are you talking to?
Read my posts, you reply to whatever you like and pretend it never exists if you don't like it?
Read my above post
 
I disagree Hyperion. I can't go to a mosque and start shaking by bum and say Allah hu. That is not a prayer. There is a certain format in regarding to rakats ect.
Who told you to do that? I never said be disrespectful... do as the people are doing in the mosque, just don't make it an issue where you judge people, by how they pray, and don't judge their proximity to Allah - You don't know what Allah might think of a person, who is praying with his hands open, or one hand on his chest!

Dude, Islam is much easier to follow than what you perceive. It's a combination of guidelines for all generations for all timelines.
 
You're covered in hypocrisy isnt this what you said? That arabs women didnt cover their heads?
Did I? Then my bad. Sorry. I unfortunately do not have the time to go through all my posts to find one where I MIGHT have. Easy and decent way out is to say sorry. But I doubt I said that because what you explained about them not covering their bosom is what I have been thought and know so I do not think I may have said such a thing!

Please dont be so ignorant, they indeed did and so did the men, otherwise how would it be possible to reveal the ayah in such a context? The purpose of the ayah is that jahiliya women covered their head but left a lot of cleavage, so it's asking them to use the headcovering(which was ALREADY there since paganism, theyre culture) to cover the bosom; is that too hard for you to understand? Now I can easily say 99% of so called hijabis don't cover their breasts and act all proud and stuff

No idea what you meant!

There's no chauvinism in what i have said

Of course not...IF every man who was a chauvinist knew he was one, he wouldn't behave as 1!


Someone hasnt read the quran well...

Is that someone you by any chance?
 
Who told you to do that? I never said be disrespectful... do as the people are doing in the mosque, just don't make it an issue where you judge people, by how they pray, and don't judge their proximity to Allah - You don't know what Allah might think of a person, who is praying with his hands open, or one hand on his chest!

Dude, Islam is much easier to follow than what you perceive. It's a combination of guidelines for all generations for all timelines.

Abadat is done in several different ways. I have never judged anyone for how they pray.

For example Sufis/Dervaish do their abadat in weird ways, but they perform namaz according to the hadiths.
 
I think you are a smart woman and however I deeply disagree with zakir naek on all levels of religion and his own scientific facts, I still would hear your point of view and disagree accordingly.

THAT can't be possible?! ALL LEVELS?

I am sure people ask me why I am so hard on MR Zavaran, it is because he is the reason we are in big trouble worldwide. His irrational thinking is speeding up our process of losing foot in media and sciences and generally all worldly goals.

I am not sure if it is him alone!
 
@Talon - Final comments:

In your desire to fine tune Islam, and getting into the nitty gritty of insignificant issues (at-least from Allah's PoV) you're loosing sight of the bigger picture. :drag:

Additional comment: Woman, you do argue a lot!!!! :laugh:
 
I disagree Hyperion. I can't go to a mosque and start shaking by bum and say Allah hu. That is not a prayer. There is a certain format in regarding to rakats ect.

Yes it is if the person doing so believes it "truly" within.

If he just says he believes it to be a pray for debate sake and have apprehensions within his inner conscience, then its wrong.

I may offer stones to god, the matter is they must be precious for me and my prayer is genuine. It doesn't matter if they are just stones for you.
 
I'm having doubts on your ability to comprehend, are you dyslexic by any chance?

THAT was in reference to your previous post..Please read which post I refer WHAT to. I did refer to the post you wrote after that one...

You do realize these are the exact same ayah illiterate mullas use to bash others for ages? I don't see anywhere why in particular the sunni or shia hadith have to be followed. We all follow the prophet SAW, but if the hadith invent new stuff out of no where, they obviously arent from the Prophet SAW

THAT was also in reference to Hyperion nothing to do with you. The world does not revolve around you. Read the discussions first before posting!
 
@Talon & @Uchiha, please stop bashing each other on my behalf. I'm a very peaceful person by nature, and do my best to avoid pointless debates. So, bitchaway, if you both wish so, on your own accord... no need to drag @Hyperion :angel:
 
My response which you picked up in your next post was an answer to this:

Boohoo, it's a fact that christianity is plagued by atheism, and they're losing followers by the millions each year
OMG, the evil christians are plotting against us, that mentality won't get you anywhere - they've got their hands full. All religions except Islam are losing followers to atheism

024:030 - قُلۡ لِّلۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ یَغُضُّوۡا مِنۡ اَبۡصَارِہِمۡ وَ یَحۡفَظُوۡا فُرُوۡجَہُمۡ ؕ ذٰلِکَ اَزۡکٰی لَہُمۡ ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ خَبِیۡرٌۢ بِمَا یَصۡنَعُوۡنَ
Tell the believing men that they must lower their gazes and guard their private parts; it is more decent for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do.

024:031 - وَ قُلۡ لِّلۡمُؤۡمِنٰتِ یَغۡضُضۡنَ مِنۡ اَبۡصَارِہِنَّ وَ یَحۡفَظۡنَ فُرُوۡجَہُنَّ وَ لَا یُبۡدِیۡنَ زِیۡنَتَہُنَّ اِلَّا مَا ظَہَرَ مِنۡہَا وَ لۡیَضۡرِبۡنَ بِخُمُرِہِنَّ عَلٰی جُیُوۡبِہِنَّ ۪ وَ لَا یُبۡدِیۡنَ زِیۡنَتَہُنَّ اِلَّا لِبُعُوۡلَتِہِنَّ اَوۡ اٰبَآئِہِنَّ اَوۡ اٰبَآءِ بُعُوۡلَتِہِنَّ اَوۡ اَبۡنَآئِہِنَّ اَوۡ اَبۡنَآءِ بُعُوۡلَتِہِنَّ اَوۡ اِخۡوَانِہِنَّ اَوۡ بَنِیۡۤ اِخۡوَانِہِنَّ اَوۡ بَنِیۡۤ اَخَوٰتِہِنَّ اَوۡ نِسَآئِہِنَّ اَوۡ مَا مَلَکَتۡ اَیۡمَانُہُنَّ اَوِ التّٰبِعِیۡنَ غَیۡرِ اُولِی الۡاِرۡبَۃِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ اَوِ الطِّفۡلِ الَّذِیۡنَ لَمۡ یَظۡہَرُوۡا عَلٰی عَوۡرٰتِ النِّسَآءِ ۪ وَ لَا یَضۡرِبۡنَ بِاَرۡجُلِہِنَّ لِیُعۡلَمَ مَا یُخۡفِیۡنَ مِنۡ زِیۡنَتِہِنَّ ؕ وَ تُوۡبُوۡۤا اِلَی اللّٰہِ جَمِیۡعًا اَیُّہَ الۡمُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ لَعَلَّکُمۡ تُفۡلِحُوۡنَ
And tell the believing women that they must lower their gazes and guard their private parts, and must not expose their adornment, except that which appears thereof, and must wrap their bosoms with their shawls, and must not expose their adornment, except to their husbands or their fathers or the fathers of their husbands, or to their sons or the sons of their husbands, or to their brothers or the sons of their brothers or the sons of their sisters, or to their women, or to those owned by their right hands, or male attendants having no (sexual) urge, or to the children who are not yet conscious of the shames of women. And let them not stamp their feet in a way that the adornment they conceal is known. And repent to Allah O believers, all of you, so that you may achieve success.

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Point 1: God has given orders 1st to Men (v 30) than to Women (v 31) - So, if you want to make it law than it must be first for men than for women.

AGREED! I stated that before as well.

Point 2: In Quran - It's order to believers - the ones who believe in God & Quran have to follow the orders otherwise those are not true Muslims - so it doesn't matter for them either they follow or not

And we are talking about the believing women to cover up!

Point 3: There is no punishment written in Quran about this topic, If anyhow Mullah think this order must be enforced than according to below verse there must be law against walking slow or fast and speaking loud?? Isn't it?

We haven't reached anything about punishment...All is being said about is bringing the hijab to law...What are you talking about?

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and be moderate in your walk, and lower your voice. Surely, the ugliest of voices is the voice of the donkeys

Point 4: If we enforce than will not this mullah will be disobeying God

Please read the Quran with understanding. ONE AYAT - the one about the HIJAB is sent with assertion as a command while those ayat below are not. They are not sent as a command!

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There is no compulsion in Faith. The correct way has become distinct from the erroneous. Now, whoever rejects the Taghut (the Rebel, the Satan) and believes in Allah has a firm grasp on the strongest ring that never breaks. Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

And what do you find the correct way to be as?

Let me google that for you
You know many of your mullas have said that exact same message before right? Learn to google

The quran has HOW TO PRAY the steps, WHAT TO READ and in which order is what I meant and I wrote it in my next post!

Do the following math:

Prayer + Zakat + Swam + Hajj (MINUS) Shahadah = One innocent life?

Imagine if god did the math above.

Do the math again and again ..... and again......and again

Sect = How to guide on (Prayer + Zakat + Swam + Hajj)

Muslim = Shahadah!

Do the maths and tell me.....

HUH? What is it that you are trying to convey?

Who are you talking to?
Read my posts, you reply to whatever you like and pretend it never exists if you don't like it?
Read my above post

You! I was replying all the way from page 21 to this page. Now I am not even sure where you typed what and I DO NOT have all the time in the world to go scanning for such things!
 
What? It was blasphemy law, then Ahmadis declared kafir and now Hijab to be compulsory. Do they even know that the purpose of constitution is not about these things?

But, I've seen Iranian sisters always in Hijab and even their movies would follow the suit...There is nothing wrong to make a decent dress code with a minimal acceptable for the country...There are the specified dress code for every institution (like army, universities, even in UK in universities female students are restricted to come with official dressing and can't go a beyond limit, believe me. They have made dress codes for the university students for informal or formal education. If you are entering in University and a female student particulary they would mention what is prohibited in your dress code explicitily, you have to follow the rules (if you do follow or not it's different))...When for universities there can be dress code rules then for AN ISLAMIC country at least bring females to a decent dress code For God sake...

In Pakistan there are exterme liberal and extreme conservative...we should at least all unite on one decent code...Our one class is blindly following the west and the gap between classes widening...

Sorry to say, but in the high class families (speciallly), our sisters would cross the limits and then our whole society can't cross...sometimes sisters wanted to have limits but their close circle (status symbol) would not allow them to have at least a decent dress, as you will be then allien in your own close class...

People just wanted to remain classy for the sake of just being called modern...Indecency is not equivalent to being modern.

Our media unfortunatelly is widening the difference by permoting OTHERS indecent dressing (I don't mean Hijab but obscenity and decency are opposite to each other)... To be sucessful it's not compulsory that you must be overly glamourous and indecent in dressing...Our dramas were superb, for example, when there was decency in it...
 
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