Pakistan carries out airstrikes along AfPak border

[Mirzali Khan]

PKK isn't dead still & it's being going on for decades longer than the TTP insurgency, so let's not overexaggerate their accomplishments.

I don't see Turkish soldiers getting killed or hearing news of it. Shootouts still happen from time to time.

Right now PKK is weak b/c no help from neighbours which they had before (I believe Assad regime especially used to support them).

Israel used to support them I think.

Turks didn't give a damn & carried out an op even though it damaged their relations w/ US.

Trump supported that op right? Or was this under Obama era.

That being said, unlike us, they have learned to take action before situation gets out of control like when US entered syria & started arming PKK.

So you are saying that at that point Turkey was in same predicament as Pakistan like in Waziristan and Balochistan.

Another possible reason is the culture they're raised in. As you yourself have said, revenge is a major component of pashtunwali. Afghans are also extremely arrogant & when you've been fed anti-pak propaganda for decades it creates a monster.

Yeaaaaaaa Afghans think they are the sh*t, Pashtuns in general are like this. I am one I would know XD.

It's interesting though to see how different Pakistani Pashtuns are for the most part considering their overwhelming loyalty to Pakistan. The country one is born in seems to play a major part in outlook & mindset even though they share the same basic culture.

The Lar O Bar thing was started by Kabulis, Pashtunkhwa has always been a place that was independent and had people and tribes doing their own thing. Also I'm not sure this is confirmed but the reason why Faqir Ipi stopped his insurgency in 1950s against Pak in Waziristan is because the other tribesmen told him he can't start a war against a Muslim country.

All of this comes to nought when you TTP sympathizers in the current government. You cant be carrot and stick with national security. You have to kill their local support.

But in order to topple Imran Khan, the establishment compromised on national security and brought back all traitors together. These PTM traitors have openly abused Pakistan Army. They have abused our shaheed soldiers. But since our COAS has to retire in West, and our military top brass is a bunch of undignified cowards, for a personal benefit, they dont mind compromising on national security.

PTM is political wing of TTP. You kill TTP but facilitate PTM in national assembly. This is not going to work and we will not buy this!

I will keep saying this

THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER SAY PAKISTAN ZINDABAD, THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER CELEBRATE INDEPENDENCE DAY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO THINK APS WAS A CONSPIRACY ARE IN THE GOV RN BOUTTA BE MINISTERS LMFAOOOOOOOOO

 

[TheSolution]

THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER SAY PAKISTAN ZINDABAD, THE PEOPLE WHO NEVER CELEBRATE INDEPENDENCE DAY, AND THE PEOPLE WHO THINK APS WAS A CONSPIRACY ARE IN THE GOV RN BOUTTA BE MINISTERS LMFAOOOOOOOOO

Only thing left now is TTP leadership to walk into the Supreme Court session

 

[EternalMortal]

I don't see Turkish soldiers getting killed or hearing news of it. Shootouts still happen from time to time.

Yes, but that's recently. Only after their domestic & Syrian ops have they gotten back to the baseline. For us it seems we're still building up to another round of heavy fighting.
But it's not like the turks have solved the equation either. Tbh it's even harder for them b/c they're an ethnic state whereas for us there could be a solution *potentially*

Israel used to support them I think.

I think you're right. I wasn't sure so I didn't say it but I do remember reading something about this.

Trump supported that op right? Or was this under Obama era.

This was during trump era. Trump might have looked away but their security establishment was livid. Especially the democrats. This whole spat b/w turkey & US started from US arming of PKK under the excuse of fighting Daesh.

So you are saying that at that point Turkey was in same predicament as Pakistan like in Waziristan and Balochistan.

Pretty much. PKK/YPG was arming up thanks to US. Turks carried out ops before they could bring the battle to turkey.

Yeaaaaaaa Afghans think they are the sh*t, Pashtuns in general are like this. I am one I would know XD.

lmao sorry bro. no offense meant. But in all seriousness, I see a clear difference in attitude afghans & our Pashtuns. The former take it to the next level.

The Lar O Bar thing was started by Kabulis, Pashtunkhwa has always been a place that was independent and had people and tribes doing their own thing. Also I'm not sure this is confirmed but the reason why Faqir Ipi stopped his insurgency in 1950s against Pak in Waziristan is because the other tribesmen told him he can't start a war against a Muslim country.

Dunno about the faqir thing. I assumed it was b/c he got tired of false promises from afg, felt betrayed & decided it wasn't worth it to continue. If true though, IEA & afg tribes should do the same with TTP. I don't know if they will b/c correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they see Pakistan as a muslim country anymore.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Yes, but that's recently. Only after their domestic & Syrian ops have they gotten back to the baseline. For us it seems we're still building up to another round of heavy fighting.
But it's not like the turks have solved the equation either. Tbh it's even harder for them b/c they're an ethnic state whereas for us there could be a solution *potentially*

Their population is more politically conscious unlike ours. Also with TTP people they think every Pakistani or Punjabi is kaffir and takfir them. So you can't have peace with them either.

I think you're right. I wasn't sure so I didn't say it but I do remember reading something about this.

Yea its the reason why I see so many Kurds be pro-Israel lmaoo

This was during trump era. Trump might have looked away but their security establishment was livid. Especially the democrats. This whole spat b/w turkey & US started from US arming of PKK under the excuse of fighting Daesh.

Ohhhhhh I didn't pay attention to defense stuff at that point in time, but I remember liberal media spewing out how Trump betrayed Kurds.

Pretty much. PKK/YPG was arming up thanks to US. Turks carried out ops before they could bring the battle to turkey.

Smart of them.

lmao sorry bro. no offense meant. But in all seriousness, I see a clear difference in attitude afghans & our Pashtuns. The former take it to the next level.

LMAOOOO none taken bro its true XD. Afghans think they are some supreme beings and this translates to Muslimness so they freely takfir other ethnicities.

Dunno about the faqir thing. I assumed it was b/c he got tired of false promises from afg, felt betrayed & decided it wasn't worth it to continue. If true though, tribes should do the same again with TTP. I don't know if they will b/c correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they see Pakistan as a muslim country anymore.

No one knows what happened to him he just stopped but no one knows actually why??

He made a speech warning his supporters of working with Afg but I remember reading somewhere there was a jirga that was held and they said something along the lines of how Pakistan is a Muslim country so you can't declare war against a Muslim country.

Sadly they don't see Pakistan as a Muslim country so that method won't work.

 

[KaiserX]

There is an active pro-afghanistan third column in Pakistan which must be dealt with.

 

[EternalMortal]

Their population is more politically conscious unlike ours.

I don't know if I would agree with this. Pakistanis are pretty politically active. Turks are just much more homogenous. Whether secular or religious they're very nationalistic so it's easier for them to make decisions without risk of domestic blowback. They also have their historical pride as well.

Afghans think they are some supreme beings and this translates to Muslimness so they freely takfir other ethnicities

I don't get why this is the case though. Like when did this way of thinking start? It can't have always been this way.

 

[ziaulislam]

There is an active pro-afghanistan third column in Pakistan which must be dealt with.

I have solution
Teleport afganistan near bengladesh
Then ofocurse bomb indiscrimately we wont care even if few muslims die with it

You cant choose your neighbours

Pakistan has enough diplomatic cards even military cards but it has to use them carefully rather then haphazradly

 

[True-Green]

There is an active pro-afghanistan third column in Pakistan which must be dealt with.

Last time you dealt with 80k died and 8k in boots alone.

Everyone knows when you start dealt with for dollars no logic reason your dealt with mind understand. What I see on twitter you dealt with innocent children in your last night attacks.

This dealt with just started due to daddy pressure you never had any legs to stand on your own independent security policy you are on path of destruction.. Go jump in the same hole you hardly about to crawl out badly wounded after 20 years of most confused war which there was a debate its a Daddy's war for dollars or your own war to protect yours from the revengeful blow back.

 

[khansaheeb]

Terrorist sympathizer telling me to go to hell

Lol

Don't you wonder why?

 

[Mirzali Khan]

I don't know if I would agree with this. Pakistanis are pretty politically active. Turks are just much more homogenous. Whether secular or religious they're very nationalistic so it's easier for them to make decisions without risk of domestic blowback. They also have their historical pride as well.

Yea that's what I meant by politically conscious, more nationalist. They will always look out for their interests just like Iranis. There's a reason why Talibs don't try this stuff with Iranis.

I don't get why this is the case though. Like when did this way of thinking start? It can't have always been this way.

When you are fed by multiple decades of propaganda that you are a warrior race and you have defeated 3 superpowers it translates to f'd up thinking.

 

[Gripen9]

Which platform was used?

 

[Valiant]

People of Pakistan need to understand some fundamental things.
1) Afghan Taliban are not some Islamic Ummah Warriors, quite the opposite actually. They are ethnic focused political armed wing.
2) Why did Pakistan supported them? The ans is simple they are lesser of two evils. Northern Alliance was a corrupt smuggling mafia and a supporter of india against Pakistan.
3) IEA has failed to establish centralized govt. They are right now a figure head of various independent smaller factions. Nearly Majority of these smaller factions are not Pakistan friendly.
4) Pakistan is FULLY JUSTIFIED IN THIS AIRSTRIKE. The terrorists from afganistan come and are attacking people in waziristan and balochistan, both civillians and our soldiers. What do they expect in return, flowers?
This last point is IMP
5) Collateral damage is bound to happen. If people of afghanistan had some sense they would stop supporting TTP and various terrorist organizations so when the opposing quite capable force retaliates no innocent lives are lost as quite honestly these terrorists are nothing but caveman who have guns with no brains no strategy nothing. But people of afghanistan are NOT SENSIBLE.
How can we minimize collateral damage fallout?
Do Psychological Warfare, Strict border management, provide education to people on Pakistan side of pak-afghan border, provide jobs to these educated people. Industralize Pakistan side of Pak-Afghan border.

IEA needs to focus more on afghan people. They are literally selling their daughters, organs for money Where in Islam are these type of things allowed? Meanwhile IEA is busy focusing on what kind of facial hair man should have or what kind of thing a woman should wear.
KPK has suffered enough due to Pakistan soft stance on afghanistan. Its time to bring the hammer down.

Very well put. Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[Mirzah]

The most sickening part is seeing fellow Pakistanis crying for dead afghan children yet they stay silent when Pakistani children are killed by ttp/afghan terrorists. Enough is enough. PAYBACK time.......... .........you kill our children, we will kill yours in greater numbers..........

nah bro children should be safe in any circumstances, target ttp all you want but civilians should be safe.

 

[Oom]

This needs to be our response ever time now onwards to a cross border attack.

I am not one bit sorry for the families of TTP killed. Its entirely TTP fault they shouldn't have kept their families near them knowing fully well that we would retaliate one day.

And to the bunch of Taliban sympathizers of this forum; take your sisters and daughters to get married to them.

Also I keep reading and hearing from bastards like Mohsin Darwar that they were refugees from Waziristan. How retarded is that? Which sane person would choose to live with their family in the hell hole called Afghanistan where 95% of the population is starving as opposed to the relative comforts of Pakistan?. It was clearly a TTP encampment.

Also Taliban needs to understand- if they fight a war with Pakistan- it wont be a guerilla warfare like they are used to- now they run a state- they would need to defend their border and their territory- a bunch of rag tag infantry which would be waiting to be annihilated by our UAV/gunships and PAF.

 

[Tornado23]

I also want to know if we can learn from Turkiye in their fight against PKK.

Kurds also live in conditions similar to Afghans but how did Turkey stop their insurgency or severely weaken it and we are losing soldiers almost every week.

Wrt Syria, the Syrian govt and Turkish Govt are against one another, unlike present day Afghanistan where apparently its a neutral relationship.


This means, all military targets that belong to either SAA or PKK/YPG are green lit. Hence they bombed the crap out of them all.

Pakistan cant really do that unless its a full scale war between the 2 nations.