Sayfullah
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Dear, civilian killing is always disapproved, but it should not stop us from waging war against our enemies.
Many internet scholars nowadaysYou sound very much like an adolescent who just found deen.
Look. IEA supports TTP. TTP kills innocents. TTP also kills Pakistani soldiers. What is Pakistan supposed to do? Let them kill us?
A lot more nuance is needed but all you can manage is telling others about your interpretation of Quran in a very narrow sense. TTP are fitnah & dealing with them has really taxed us over the years. TTP operatives use their families as human shields & kill our civilians indiscriminately. So in order to respect Quranic injuctions as you see them, we ought to just let them kill us? Wow, what a discovery....
I hope you know what fitnah means & that fitnah is worse than murder according to Quran. Those who spread fitnah must be dealt with. I can give you multiple examples from Islamic history of how fitnah was handled. In just the last century (late 40s, early 50s), a caravan of Pakistani hajis was looted by the Arab Bedouin. Guess what King AbdulAziz did to them and their families?
We do not live in an era of sword warfare when you had to be in physical contact with the enemy. In technological warfare, there are civilian casualties, particularly when used as human shields. You just have to live with this fact. Any deaths that occur are on the people who spread fitnah, not those who act to stop them.
These people don’t know how the salaf dealt with khawarij. There’s many examples of how khawarij were dealt with for centuries now by Muslims all over the world and how the best of the best Muslims, the first 3 generations dealt with khawarij plague. Also the people here applying Quranic verses and Hadith out of context.
Collateral damage should be avoided at all costs and innocents mistakenly killed their family’s should be compensated but, khawarij should be severely dealt with, as they are dogs of hell and Muslims are told to fight them.
Don't comment on my deen. And I don't care how I sound.
TTP was created due to us supporting US war on terror. The cost of that war was humongous for Pakistan. We are where we are due to that war. There were no winners of that war, except the US. Pakistan has lost decades of growth and maturity due to it. The real root cause of that fitna would be USA. The 2nd fitna would be those who unnecessarily assisted USA in this genocide. NATOs crimes on Afghan soil are well documented. Australian soldiers killing for "sport". We were supplying food & resources to NATO. If NATO & US was doing such a great job. Why would Pakistan support their withdrawal from Afghanistan? We could have simply asked them to also bomb TTP personnel? When they asked Pakistan to do more. Why we didn't do more? We should have done more because it was our interest isn't it? Answer is simple. Our generals couldn't hold up against US pressure back then. They are bending against US pressure again. Looser is the region, not Americans. They didn't loose much, we have lost completely under the watch of our most scared, the most patriotic army. They successfully destroyed economy of the only nuclear powered Muslim state in the world. The probability of having an Islamic currency to break dollar's global hegemony was successfully destroyed. We on the other hand, have US sympathisers who are happy to work against national interest as long as they get paid some dollars.
There are other ways to diminish remnants of TTP. Otherwise we maybe looking onto another conflict. Only time can tell.
15 Characteristics of the Khawarij - What Did the Kharijites Believe?
Who are Khawarij? 15 characteristics of the Khawarij mentioned in hadith, as they possess no true knowledge nor do they strive to attain it.
www.aljumuah.com
See if ttp fits the above. If it does than it’s a must for Muslims to fight ttp khawarij until they are totally eliminated.
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will be division and sectarianism in my nation, and a people will come with beautiful words and evil deeds. They will recite the Quran, but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target, and they will not return to it as the arrow does not return to its bow. They are the worst of the creation. Blessed are those who fight them and are killed by them. They call to the Book of Allah, but they have nothing to do with it. Whoever fights them is better to Allah than them.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4765,
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
Ibn Kathir said, “If the Khawarij ever gained power, they would corrupt the entire land, Iraq and Syria. They would not leave alone a boy or a girl or a man or a woman, for in their view the people have become so corrupt that they cannot be reformed but by mass killing.”
Source: al-Bidāyah wal-Nihāyah 10/584
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