Pakistan buys 13 F16 from Jordan

[lutfishah]

I'm not sure if this news is being discussed. I heard a breaking news yesterday on ARY that Pakistan is given the contract to build F-16 parts.

 

[Gryphon]

Jordan purchased a total of 79 F-16s including 33 F-16 Block 15 ADF's from Peace falcon I/II. Of these, 6 (Two F-16A Block 15 ADF from Peace Falcon 1, One F-16B ADF Blk 15 from Peace Falcon 2, One F-16A from peace falcon 3, and 2 F-16s of unknown batch/specification) crashed.

17 of the F-16 ADFs from PF 1/2 were upgraded to Block 40/42 standard by TAI.

That leaves 13 F-16 block 15 ADFs (reported 12 A, 1 B models) without upgrade if the two unknown crashes are assumed to be from batches except Peace falcon I/II

According to Defense Industry Daily,

The deal leaves the Royal Jordanian Air Force with 43-46 front-line F-16AM/BM MLU Block 20 fighters, and 15-18 F-16A/B Block 15 ADFs, of 79 purchased. Not only do they make some money with this sale, they also cut down on the number of RJAF F-16 ADFs that will need expensive mid-life upgrades.

If the deal goes on, Jordan will be left with 60 F-16AM/BMs , enough to fully equip 3 squadrons...

 

[rohailmalhi]

develop 150 jf17 in one night.... is PAF also acquiring Skynet from Cyberdyne Systems? if yes, we should be looking john connor right away!

hahaha . Yeah sure , we have a genie that will make 150 JF-17 in blick of eye.

it was just a typo ...... Plus we cannot develop 150 JF-17 in 1 night so we have to buy something that fits our bill and equally fits our requirements.

 

[Rahil khan]

It might have fan boy stuff but there has alot of information on different systems which are being used in JF-17.

Having a technology is one thing and developing expertise and tactics to use that tech is other things. We can produce JF-17 in good numbers but can we develop our tactics and experience on JF-17 as much we have on F-16 (3 decades) in 1 year or 2 years. We are currently in the process of developing tactics and exp and this process is very long one .

JF-17 doesnt fit their requirements so Chinese AF is not going to induct them. It was PAF brain child and it will remain so.

Regarding Development of J10-B again . I was not in favor of inducting J-10 B . It doesn't offer something exceptional that our JF-17 cannot offer (might have some issues with ASEA currently as space is bit less but lets see what chinese can come up with).

For fan boys its will be moment of joy thinking about induction of a newer platform in to PAF but when it comes to reality it will be a night mare. We are in process of getting use to (developing expertise and tactics) JF-17 which is currently a new brand plane for PAF.

Should PAF divide its focus .No it shouldn't .

What is the solution then . Get some more F-16s use them as stop gap measure till you get excellent with JF-17 . After which you have induct another platform (advanced 4.5 GEN or may be 5Gen ) replacing older F-16s.

Excellent post sir. Specially the bold parts. Hope it might help to shut those mouths who are repeating the same lines again and again for the last couple of years here on PDF.

 

[Imran Khan]

Typo ...... Plus we can not develop 150 JF-17 in 1 night so we have to buy something that fits our bill and equally fits our requirements.

but we should have idea what is thing and whats scrap

 

[rohailmalhi]

but we should have idea what is thing and whats scrap

Yep sure and I think people in PAF are capable enough to judge that . Dont you think ?

 

[majesticpankaj]

It might have fan boy stuff but there has alot of information on different systems which are being used in JF-17.

Having a technology is one thing and developing expertise and tactics to use that tech is other things. We can produce JF-17 in good numbers but can we develop our tactics and experience on JF-17 as much we have on F-16 (3 decades) in 1 year or 2 years. We are currently in the process of developing tactics and exp and this process is very long one .

JF-17 doesnt fit their requirements so Chinese AF is not going to induct them. It was PAF brain child and it will remain so.

Regarding Development of J10-B again . I was not in favor of inducting J-10 B . It doesn't offer something exceptional that our JF-17 cannot offer (might have some issues with ASEA currently as space is bit less but lets see what chinese can come up with).

For fan boys its will be moment of joy thinking about induction of a newer platform in to PAF but when it comes to reality it will be a night mare. We are in process of getting use to (developing expertise and tactics) JF-17 which is currently a new brand plane for PAF.

Should PAF divide its focus .No it shouldn't .

What is the solution then . Get some more F-16s use them as stop gap measure till you get excellent with JF-17 . After which you have induct another platform (advanced 4.5 GEN or may be 5Gen ) replacing older F-16s.

but i don't able to understand why are you purchasing outdated second hand stuffs... i can understand if you are looking for brand new machines to fill in the gaps... but the same money can be invested into further development of jf-17...

 

[Imran Khan]

Yep sure and I think people in PAF are capable enough to judge that . Dont you think ?

from few years i think they are not they are enough stupids . can park 4 saab-2000 in open line under a shed

 

[rohailmalhi]

Excellent post sir. Specially the bold parts. Hope it might help to shut those mouths who are repeating the same lines again and again for the last couple of years here on PDF.

dont worry its is their job to open their mouth and we are here to teach them not to.

from few years i think they are not they are enough stupids . can park 4 saab-2000 in open line under a shed

Yar maaf kar day un bicharoon ko..... galti ho gaye un say .......... Saab open air main park kar kay..... Aienda nahi karien gay .

khair I am waiting for the confirmed report that these bird have arrived in Pakistan.

 

[rohailmalhi]

but i don't able to understand why are you purchasing outdated second hand stuffs... i can understand if you are looking for brand new machines to fill in the gaps... but the same money can be invested into further development of jf-17...

Its not like we go to showroom and tell the car dealer to give us 18 brand new F-16s.

Acquiring an assets like fighter plane that too from America is alot more difficult task . It involves alot of diplomacy and politics.

Brand new require alot of Dollaahs (which we might not have in spare) so we get what we can in the budget , upgrade it .

What PAF is thinking is get the planes at throw away price , get it upgraded it from TAI at a reasonable cost . This can save us alot of money which we can use to acquire more birds or invest somewhere else.

If it wasnt for money & politics we might be having EF in our inventory . You never know.

But this is how things are and we have survive in these conditions.

I think what PAF did is excellent decision and they did surprised me with this deal , i m also hearing more acquistion of these birds in future (dont want to start any kind of rumour mill so wont get in to details ).

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Excellent post sir. Specially the bold parts. Hope it might help to shut those mouths who are repeating the same lines again and again for the last couple of years here on PDF.

the line has been repeated again agian it still has no effect

 

[SQ8]

develop 150 jf17 in one night.... is PAF also acquiring Skynet from Cyberdyne Systems? if yes, we should be looking john connor right away!

You are wrong, it is actually a means to slow down time itself.. one night = 1000 days

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

You are wrong, it is actually a means to slow down time itself.. one night = 1000 days

The current rate of production of JF17 is at least 5 times slower than even this number

 

[SQ8]

The current rate of production of JF17 is at least 5 times slower than even this number

Not sure what calculation got you to that number(if it is wrong you will retract that statement).
Compared to its contemporaries however, its doing just fine.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Not sure what calculation got you to that number(if it is wrong you will retract that statement).
Compared to its contemporaries however, its doing just fine.

1000 days=little less than 3 years
JF17 production 50 in 6 years
therefore producing 150 requires 18 years at current production rate, i.e. 6 times the current given number(1000 days)
but since 1000 days is little less than 3 years, i rounded it off to 5 times.