Pakistan buys 13 F16 from Jordan

[EyanKhan]

looks like the deal is still on

But in that report it clearly said the deal was struck and PAF bought them

 

[45'22']

But in that report it clearly said the deal was struck and PAF bought them

janes is a more reliable source
i could be wrong also

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

You will find out that the Indians would not be inducting the 5th gen for a long long time. The issues with the 5th gen are so extensive that only a rich nation can afford them.

Secondly---we prepare and get get ready for war as if it going to happen tomorrow. The fear of war on the pak indian border is just a major terrorist incidence away. For the war of tomorrow we plan to get equipment 10 years ago and it starts to come in 5 to 8 years ago so that we can train and get ready for the war of tomorrow. Contd

 

[trident2010]

I can't understand why there is so much fuss about F-16 purchases. These are the best birds PAF can get from anywhere. Getting 13 of them in one go makes a world of difference for PAF.

 

[MastanKhan]

I can't understand why there is so much fuss about F-16 purchases. These are the best birds PAF can get from anywhere. Getting 13 of them in one go makes a world of difference for PAF.

Hi,

Thank you. What people seem to not understand is that a sqdrn of these aircraft is equal to fully equipped and fully trained army strike division with all it's attached paraphernalia and support in place.

And getting them in days is just like enforcing the flank with that division in the blink of an eye.

 

[MilSpec]

Hi,

You will find out that the Indians would not be inducting the 5th gen for a long long time. The issues with the 5th gen are so extensive that only a rich nation can afford them.

Secondly---we prepare and get get ready for war as if it going to happen tomorrow. The fear of war on the pak indian border is just a major terrorist incidence away. For the war of tomorrow we plan to get equipment 10 years ago and it starts to come in 5 to 8 years ago so that we can train and get ready for the war of tomorrow. Contd

What is the Long Long time defined as? and what is this hunch based on.

 

[PhoneyMember]

Keyword here is ADF.
These planes are specially adapted for air defense role and for low flying night missions.
Clue is in the bird cutter IFF

 

[Gryphon]

Keyword here is ADF.
These planes are specially adapted for air defense role and for low flying night missions.
Clue is in the bird cutter IFF

These 13 F-16 Block 15 ADF's are MLU'ed according to The News International:

The deal has already been finalised and inked by both the countries. The 13 aircraft are of F-16 A/B Block-15 and the PAF has similar aircraft in its fleet which are flying satisfactorily. The deal about 12 A models and one B model aircraft has been authenticated by the manufacturing company and the US government has also given its nod for the sale/purchase of the planes.

Well-placed defence sources told The News here the other day that the purchased aircraft were in good condition since they had attained Mid-Life Update (MLU) and they would be providing service for another 20 years with almost 3,000 hours on average available to them for flying.

They have been modified into Air Defence Fighters (ADF) versions. The Ogden Air Logistics Centre performed structural upgrades to extend the aircraft life from the designed 4,000 to 8,000 hours flying time as part of the programme. They also modified the aircraft engine bay for the upgraded Pratt and Whitney F100-220E engine. The induction of the planes will give a boost in air power to the PAF that is rendering a remarkable service in the war against terror.

I wonder how much capable they are: Block 25, 32 or 42... and do they use P&W F100-220E engine ??

@Oscar @Armstrong @Devil Soul @fatman17 @Aeronaut

 

[fatman17]

These 13 F-16 Block 15 ADF's are MLU'ed according to The News International:



I wonder how much capable they are: Block 25, 32 or 42... and do they use P&W F100-220E engine ??

@Oscar @Armstrong @Devil Soul @fatman17 @Aeronaut

not sure but minimum blk 40/42

 

[Zarvan]

These 13 F-16 Block 15 ADF's are MLU'ed according to The News International:



I wonder how much capable they are: Block 25, 32 or 42... and do they use P&W F100-220E engine ??

@Oscar @Armstrong @Devil Soul @fatman17 @Aeronaut

They will be close to BLOCK 42 as @fatman17 said but when they get upgraded

 

[PoKeMon]

The mighty IAF is what I was referring to. Between a mix of Jaguars, Migs of different kinds, Mirages and then SU-30's....you'll get 1.5 to 2 jets average. Remember, they are playing defense and you'll be the offensive force. It's not a matter of size and how many bombs you can take with you, it's JUST a matter of AMRAAM's and BVR's being fired and dog fights, either one of them is an advantage to PAF in this case due to proximity to the border. Each one of these F-16's on a defensive sortie will have 4-6 AMRAAM's before going to a dog fight. PAF's always been known to be a good fighting force, specifically close-in fights and these jets are ADF versions....
Your incoming package sure will have interceptors, but the strike package will take a hit. I can't argue here all night without you understanding the defense - offense strategy. But I let you think about it.

So block 40's will have kill ratio of 2 and MKI's will be sitting ducks? Quite funny.

Ground offensive are well supported by air dominant MKI's and bisons. They are well kept away from your ADF fight envelope. To counter the close proximity and get BVR more effective MKI's are based a bit interior. Lesser potent fighters are not gonna exposed to your supposed AMRAAM's before you are fired upon by MKI's or you get rid of them(unlikely).

 

[majesticpankaj]

few days back in some air show ... pakistan was advertising Jf17 against the F-16 like purchase 6 jf-17 in price of f-16... how will it impact the export potential of jf-17... it is kinda bad publicity for jf-17

 

[rohailmalhi]

few days back in some air show ... pakistan was advertising Jf17 against the F-16 like purchase 6 jf-17 in price of f-16... how will it impact the export potential of jf-17... it is kinda bad publicity for jf-17

I dont think so ... Are asking the customer who are already operating F-16s or to leave that option and get our JF-17 .

We bought them coz we have extensive exp on F-16 compare to JF-17. Plus we can develop 150 JF-17 in 1 night so we have to buy something that fits our bill and equally fits our requirements.

It will effect on the sale if our production line for JF-17 we closed and we opted for F-16(lets BLOCK 40-52 which be comparable to JF-17 ) .

 

[MilSpec]

We bought them coz we have extensive exp on F-16 compare to JF-17. Plus we can develop 150 JF-17 in 1 night so we have to buy something that fits our bill and equally fits our requirements.
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develop 150 jf17 in one night.... is PAF also acquiring Skynet from Cyberdyne Systems? if yes, we should be looking john connor right away!

 

[majesticpankaj]

I dont think so ... Are asking the customer who are already operating F-16s or to leave that option and get our JF-17 .

We bought them coz we have extensive exp on F-16 compare to JF-17. Plus we can develop 150 JF-17 in 1 night so we have to buy something that fits our bill and equally fits our requirements.

It will effect on the sale if our production line for JF-17 we closed and we opted for F-16(lets BLOCK 40-52 which be comparable to JF-17 ) .

if you can't fill your own requirement with jf-17 .. how you suppose to deliver the export orders ?
in plain english... you are purchasing second hand f-16 block A .. when you could go for the jf-17 and at the same time comparing jf-17 with F-16 advance blocks... it is quite evident that jf-17 is quite inferior to even f-16 A.