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February 19, 2014 by News Desk
Pakistan Continues Buying Surplus F-16s – Adding 13 from Jordan

The Pakistani Air Force (PAF) has acquired a squadron of F-16 multi-role fighter aircraft from Jordan. The early production Block-15 fighter jets will be inducted inducted into the service in March 2014, next month, Pakistan’s TheNews reports.
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Two Royal Jordanian Air Force F-16s fly alongside a U.S. Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker aircraft while waiting to connect for fuel over Jordan. Photo: US Air Force

Of the fighters acquired from the Royal Jordanian Air Force, 12 of the aircraft are single seaters A models and one is a twin-seat F-16B. Jordan has recently acquired 15 similar aircraft – F-16A/B MLU from the Dutch Air Force, and expect these aircraft to be delivered in 2015. The aircraft Pakistan is receiving have also undergone MLU providing service and are cleared for 20 years operations or 3,000 flight hours on average. Pakistan has already received a number of F-16sВ

Pakistan has been contemplating to acquire more used planes for the PAF from other countries while the induction of new production JF-17 Thunder continues. The JF-17 is a co-production of Pakistan and China.
Through the upgrade process carried out at the US Air Force Ogden Air Logistics Centre, structural upgrades were performed to extend the aircraft life from the designed 4,000 to 8,000 hours flying time. Other modifications include changes to the engine bay, to receive the upgraded Pratt and Whitney F100-220E engine. Most of Pakistan’s F-16s are of early generation A/B models, acquired from US surplus andВ upgraded through MLU. Some were delivered free of charge by the US Government.В The new acquisition will bring the Pakistani Air Force F-16 fleet to 76. Only 20 are of more modern make, namely F-16C and F-16C/D Block 52.
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Pakistan Air Force from left to right: JF-17, F-16, F-7, A-5C and Mirage 5. Photo: PAFwallpapers.com

Through the years Pakistan has been a keen ‘collector’ of Dassault Mirage III/V fighter jets. Between 1967 and 1982В Islamabad bought 66 new Mirage III/V, but through the 1990s ‘collected’ over 130 of the fighters in the surplus market, from the French, Australian and Lebanese air forces. Many of these were modernized through the three phases ROSE program, improving avionics, weaponry and operational capabilities, associated with special missions, special weapons and night capabilities. The F-16, while adding many advanced capabilities, is not fulfilling many of these capabilities, therefore, it can replace the A-5C and F-7s in service, but not the Mirages.

Buying second hand fighters is one way for the Pakistani Air Force to manage the financial pressure that has limited its modernization since 2007. The acquisition of the JF-17 Thunder В remains the single, highest priority, for which Islamabad secured a Chinese loan to keep production on track at an annual rate of 18 aircraft per year with 50 (Block I)В jets in service. Defense News reported. Another significant investment was the acquisition of four Saab2000В Erieye early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft for US$1 billion, the last of those aircraft was delivered in 2010.

Production of 50 Thunders of the second block began in December 2013. The Thunder Block II has improved avionics, weapons load and carriage capability, a data link and an electronic warfare suite, plus an in-flight refueling capability. With these enhancements the cost of the Thunder has increased from US$15 million to $25 million, according to Dawn. Pakistans requirement is for up to 250 planes to the F-7 and, eventually, Mirage III/5 fighter aircraft currently in service. The Thunder has already replaced the A-5C Fantan strike fighter with two squadrons.

While Pakistan is seeking relative parity with India, the PAF currently has no counterpart for India’s Su-30MKI, nor the future Rafale, (when and if the MMRCA is to be fielded). Pakistan has been considering buying Chinese FC-20 (J10) fighter planes they considered could be a fair match to the Rafale. However, it is now considered that Thunder Block III and more upgrades to their F-16s, bringing the Falcons to the Block52 level could satisfy the PAF requirements for the near term.

Pakistan and China are also working on a combat-capable, two-seat conversion trainer variant of the Thunder, which would meet Pakistan Air Force requirements for special missions and night attack, as well as improve export sales prospects for the aircraft. Further improvements are planned for the Block III, a version which is currently on paper, but could enter design phase in 2016.
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PAF F-16A block 15 from 11 sqn is seen landing at Konya AB during Anatolian Eagle 2007. (TuAF photo)
 
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Apologies as if this topic may have already been answered previously but I didn't have the patience of reading the entire thread.

Will these 13 jets be upgraded be sent to Turkey to be updated to Block 50/52?
 
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Serial number 671-686 F-16A and #670 F-16B
These serial numbers were ADF and were delivered in 2003.
Pakistan is getting their falcons from this batch.

From where you got these serial numbers????
If these numbers are true, these are Peace falcon 2 aircrafts(ADF) recieved in 2003 and carried MLU(TUSAS facility in Ankara, Turkey.) in 2007-09.. First flight in RJAF in around 2011...
Then the news( only half) " The purchased aircraft were in good condition since they had attained Mid-Life Update (MLU) and they would be providing service for another 20 years with almost 3,000 hours on average available to them for flying." is true... Because these are almost in ground(storage) after 1994..... They served in US ANG (1982-1994) and retired after almost 3000 flying hours[Retired during mass f-16 retirement in 1994].. And was in AMARC from 1994 to2003.. Then in storage for MLU in RJAF from 2003-2011...

Then the next paragraph makes confusion..."They have been modified into Air Defence Fighters (ADF) versions. The Ogden Air Logistics Centre performed structural upgrades to extend the aircraft life from the designed 4,000 to 8,000 hours flying time as part of the programme. They also modified the aircraft engine bay for the upgraded Pratt and Whitney F100-220E engine".. This sentence showing they are Peace falcon 1 aircrafts... Then these fighters are almost obsolete as they served almost 18 years after that upgrade in 1996-97....

But defenseindustrydaily stating about this like
" Not only do they(Jordan) make some money with this sale, they also cut down on the number of RJAF F-16 ADFs that will need expensive mid-life upgrades. At least 2 of the F-16 ADFs have been lost in accidents, and their 5th and most recent F-16 accident took place on Jan 29/14.....

This sentence confirming that these fighters are non MLU Peace Falcon 1 ADF planes.... Also RJAF get rid of these because of recent accidents... Then this deal is not so good as it seems because these fighters already in service for more than 30 years and needs massive upgrades... That will take another 2-3 yars and money..

Everyone saying this is a good move.. But is it really that good??? ... It only shows " the PAF is forced to accept these types of aircrafts now because of present economic conditions".... No one is discussing that..Strange...
 
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Good news as more F-16s will allow PAF for better operational capabilities and in case of hostilities it will allow PAF to defend air space better hope PAF also get AIM9Xs for their F-16s so it will become more difficult for IAF to come in Pakistani border. More F-16s with Block-50/52+ standard will allow PAF to have enough jets to have dare to go in Indian territory for strike missions and put pressure on IAF although they will have numerical and technological advantage but arrival of more F-16s will increase IAFs problems and will decrease gap in tech.
 
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But defenseindustrydaily stating about this like
" Not only do they(Jordan) make some money with this sale, they also cut down on the number of RJAF F-16 ADFs that will need expensive mid-life upgrades. At least 2 of the F-16 ADFs have been lost in accidents, and their 5th and most recent F-16 accident took place on Jan 29/14.....
This sentence confirming that these fighters are non MLU Peace Falcon 1 ADF planes.... Also RJAF get rid of these because of recent accidents... Then this deal is not so good as it seems because these fighters already in service for more than 30 years and needs massive upgrades... That will take another 2-3 yars and money..
Everyone saying this is a good move.. But is it really that good??? ... It only shows " the PAF is forced to accept these types of aircrafts now because of present economic conditions".... No one is discussing that..Strange...

GAWWWDDDDD! Propaganda. Are you guys EVER happy? Whether it be the US, or China or Pakistan or anyone else. You guys JUST want to create flaws in everything? How about them Mig-21 BISONS (BISON = Bad Integration Shi-t ONly ) as pilots from other air forces call them????? Why don't you go change ALL Mig-21's and then come back and make the above comment. It seems that poor living standards in India are stopping you from replacing 1 to 1 jets? (Same silly argument that you made above?, you can see it ruins the whole effect of the argument by adding personal flavors).

Remember, USAF - ANG have other requirements and use for these planes than the rest of the world. Their flight time is less too like 3000 hours. After which, the jets are parked as they become second hand and are written off. BUT, these machines are well worthy to other countries. Like our local flight schools here still fly WWII era planes for training. Will you say that those planes can't fly as they are old???

These jets are AMRAAM capable and are the ADF version that was created to support BVR operations for interception (has the tech to support previous BVR options like the Sparrow and Phoenix and other long range older missiles) and the AMRAAMs fit RIGHT in. So whether you think these are a good or not a good buy.......for a force that has less than 100 top line BVR jets, it adds 13 more BVR capable interceptors. That is 10% increase OVERNIGHT (if the BVR-able jets were 130 in PAF's inventory). THAT is a HUGE addition and in a matter of days, not year, with immediate pilot availability also and support infrastructure ready.
Imagine how many jets they can take down before going down themselves. THAT should be your focus. Not how good or bad the deal feels to your stomach!
 
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GAWWWDDDDD! Propaganda. Are you guys EVER happy? Whether it be the US, or China or Pakistan or anyone else. You guys JUST want to create flaws in everything? How about them Mig-21 BISONS (BISON = Bad Integration Shi-t ONly ) as pilots from other air forces call them????? Why don't you go change ALL Mig-21's and then come back and make the above comment. It seems that poor living standards in India are stopping you from replacing 1 to 1 jets? (Same silly argument that you made above?, you can see it ruins the whole effect of the argument by adding personal flavors).

Remember, USAF - ANG have other requirements and use for these planes than the rest of the world. Their flight time is less too like 3000 hours. After which, the jets are parked as they become second hand and are written off. BUT, these machines are well worthy to other countries. Like our local flight schools here still fly WWII era planes for training. Will you say that those planes can't fly as they are old???

These jets are AMRAAM capable and are the ADF version that was created to support BVR operations for interception (has the tech to support previous BVR options like the Sparrow and Phoenix and other long range older missiles) and the AMRAAMs fit RIGHT in. So whether you think these are a good or not a good buy.......for a force that has less than 100 top line BVR jets, it adds 13 more BVR capable interceptors. That is 10% increase OVERNIGHT (if the BVR-able jets were 130 in PAF's inventory). THAT is a HUGE addition and in a matter of days, not year, with immediate pilot availability also and support infrastructure ready.
Imagine how many jets they can take down before going down themselves. THAT should be your focus. Not how good or bad the deal feels to your stomach!

Don't let others work you up. We know what this procurement means to PAF, what punch it adds. Some of us are privy to privileged information that cannot be divulged. Suffice to say there is some sort of thought process behind this deal.

I have been here for almost two years and look at my post count. I read and read and read and then I smile on some opinions and laugh on others. Others have a right to their opinion but again, don't let them work you up.

"Stay Cool n u'll Rule"
 
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Hi,

When at first we asked for these aircraft---we told them what these aircraft are going to be used for---and they are doing what they are designed to do. Strike strike strike and strike---.

You put results on the board---you got carte blanche----plus---what you are getting from this combat is experience that you can never have otherwise---. Live excercizes can only do so much for the pilot----actual combat is what really makes the difference.

As for the mileage on the aircraft---big deal---there are more from where these came from---. Plus in due time these aircraft will become outdated----so why not use them.




Hi,

Absolutely----and the prudence will only go as far as no first strike---. After that---once the gates of hell are opened---there will be no constraints. There will be no restrictions.

The Chuck Yeager's will be waiting in the wings to see how their equipment performed against the russian and the british equipment---israeli also.
so nice of you bro. for your time & effort ... Take Care
 
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newer F-16s are still quite a formidable opponent to everything India has.........

PERFECT EXAMPLE - TONGUE IN CHEEK STATEMENT.

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I didn't say better, I said formidable and that's true. The F-16 has decades of experience under it's belt, and is still one of the most advanced fighters in the world.

What did I say that was wrong?
 
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I didn't say better, I said formidable and that's true. The F-16 has decades of experience under it's belt, and is still one of the most advanced fighters in the world.

What did I say that was wrong?
If you look at the spine of Block 52 it has been extended to make room for a plethora of sensors and avioniccs

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If you look at the spine of Block 52 it has been extended to make room for a plethora of sensors and avioniccs

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okay....what does that have to do with my comment?
 
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@orangzaib

hi, welcome back dude, been missing your posts...

Thank you bro. I appreciate it. Someone cared to remember my brutally honest posts on here :)

Don't let others work you up.
"Stay Cool n u'll Rule"

Thank you. I wasn't worked up although the post might suggest that. I don't appreciate it when people get out of facts and introduce their personal biases and agendas in a factual discussion. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But opinion and propaganda are two different things :)

Does anyone know when the current MLU program ends? It's been pushed out to the next year but what's the completion date?
 
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Well, it's not that F-16 is outdated. Yes it might be outperformed by the Rafale/Typhoon/Su30s agility, the main thing is, F-16s with AIM120 and good radars would not want to dogfight. As long as i can see my enemy and strike first, its all well. And F-16 in BVR is very good at it. It's leaps and bounds better overall from the initial BLK15 models.
 
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