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No, the mood remains adverse on Capitol Hill. Really adverse.
Mood can change once a true operation starts and these terrorists are killed. You don't understand, these Talibastards are not only a threat to Pakistan, they are a bigger threat to the entire globe.....but they've proven out to be the worse thing for Pakistan for sure. So get rid of these crazy maniacs and many moods will change to support Pakistan!
 
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Inside TAO: Documents Reveal Top NSA Hacking Unit
NSA is already installing surveillance switches on many devices, what's stopping them from implanting Kill switches?

NSA is responsible for the national security. Monitoring communication on devices to save innocent citizens'lives is every national security agency's main responsibility and service to its mother land. So the NSA is doing just that, protecting and saving American citizens lives. Remember, we went through 911 and we take our citizens lives seriously (so should other countries too).

Lol, these so called Kill Switches is a whole different deal than monitoring communication. You need to realize something: A country, in this case, the ONLY super power of its time, is selling jets to an ally through its businesses. If you read my previous sentence out loud three times, you'd feel how powerful and responsible the comment feels.

History has it. The US doesn't cheat. If we have issues with anyone, we will simply not sell these jets or we'll put sanctions on. BUT, we don't sell our credibility and our commitments and don't take them lightly either, take a look at an example, like the WWII. So forget about the kill switch conspiracy theory. Indians and Pakistanis have the most conspiracy theories it seems like. Something to do with the water I guess!
 
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Nishan 101.
I will now start negatively rating any post I find that has acquisitions of equipment in unrealistic numbers. I would also request you to kindly stop this nonsense. It is totally unrealistic. So please beware.

My suggestions are not unrealistic at all. Its people minds that have changed a lot.
 
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My suggestions are not unrealistic at all. Its people minds that have changed a lot.

MY friend if they are not unrealistic then please do one lttile exercise, make a list of all suggestions that you have made in different threads and try to estimate the cost. It will come in hundreds of billions of dollars and you say they are not unrealistic? Please stop doing this, it has become very irritating...
 
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Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s

Feb 19/14: +13 Jordanian. Pakistani media report that the government has inked a deal with Jordan for 12 used F-16As and 1 F-16B:

“With this, the strength of PAF F-16s will reach 76…. The deal… has been authenticated by the manufacturing company and the US government has also given its nod for the sale/purchase of the planes. Well-placed defence sources told The News here the other day that the purchased aircraft were in good condition…. have been modified into Air Defence Fighters (ADF) versions. The Ogden Air Logistics Centre performed structural upgrades to extend the aircraft life from the designed 4,000 to 8,000 hours flying time as part of the programme. They also modified the aircraft engine bay for the upgraded Pratt and Whitney F100-220E engine”

The RJAF does fly F-16 MLUs bought second-hand from Belgium and the Netherlands, but this set being sold is from the 33-plane Peace Falcon I/II purchases of F-16 ADFs in 1997 and 2003. The F-16 ADF variant is actually the F-16 Block 15OCU, which added the more reliable F100-PW-220 turbofan, structural strengthening, an enlarged HUD, and provisions for the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. F-16 ADFs retain the AN/APG-66 radar, which has been supplanted by APG-68 models in subsequent variants and in Pakistan’s upgraded fighters. ADFs have some precision ground attack capability using the AGM-65 Maverick missile, but would be well behind Pakistan’s 18 new Block 52s, or the PAF’s roughly 40 existing Block 15 fighters that were upgraded to a similar standard under the programs above.

Barring upgrades, the best use for F-16 ADFs is as interceptor and air superiority fighters. Recall, however, that the DSCA request for MLU & Falcon STAR kits had a maximum of 60 aircraft, and that these kits wouldn’t be needed for the new F-16C/D Block 52s. Pakistan could order 13 more upgrade kits for these aircraft, and still be within its allotted FMS total.

The deal leaves the Royal Jordanian Air Force with 43-46 front-line F-16AM/BM MLU Block 20 fighters, and 15-18 F-16A/B Block 15 ADFs, of 79 purchased. Not only do they make some money with this sale, they also cut down on the number of RJAF F-16 ADFs that will need expensive mid-life upgrades. At least 2 of the F-16 ADFs have been lost in accidents, and their 5th and most recent F-16 accident took place on Jan 29/14
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. Sources: Pakistan’s The News International, “PAF acquires F-16s from Jordan”.

Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s
 
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Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s

Feb 19/14: +13 Jordanian. Pakistani media report that the government has inked a deal with Jordan for 12 used F-16As and 1 F-16B:

“With this, the strength of PAF F-16s will reach 76…. The deal… has been authenticated by the manufacturing company and the US government has also given its nod for the sale/purchase of the planes. Well-placed defence sources told The News here the other day that the purchased aircraft were in good condition…. have been modified into Air Defence Fighters (ADF) versions. The Ogden Air Logistics Centre performed structural upgrades to extend the aircraft life from the designed 4,000 to 8,000 hours flying time as part of the programme. They also modified the aircraft engine bay for the upgraded Pratt and Whitney F100-220E engine”

The RJAF does fly F-16 MLUs bought second-hand from Belgium and the Netherlands, but this set being sold is from the 33-plane Peace Falcon I/II purchases of F-16 ADFs in 1997 and 2003. The F-16 ADF variant is actually the F-16 Block 15OCU, which added the more reliable F100-PW-220 turbofan, structural strengthening, an enlarged HUD, and provisions for the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. F-16 ADFs retain the AN/APG-66 radar, which has been supplanted by APG-68 models in subsequent variants and in Pakistan’s upgraded fighters. ADFs have some precision ground attack capability using the AGM-65 Maverick missile, but would be well behind Pakistan’s 18 new Block 52s, or the PAF’s roughly 40 existing Block 15 fighters that were upgraded to a similar standard under the programs above.

Barring upgrades, the best use for F-16 ADFs is as interceptor and air superiority fighters. Recall, however, that the DSCA request for MLU & Falcon STAR kits had a maximum of 60 aircraft, and that these kits wouldn’t be needed for the new F-16C/D Block 52s. Pakistan could order 13 more upgrade kits for these aircraft, and still be within its allotted FMS total.

The deal leaves the Royal Jordanian Air Force with 43-46 front-line F-16AM/BM MLU Block 20 fighters, and 15-18 F-16A/B Block 15 ADFs, of 79 purchased. Not only do they make some money with this sale, they also cut down on the number of RJAF F-16 ADFs that will need expensive mid-life upgrades. At least 2 of the F-16 ADFs have been lost in accidents, and their 5th and most recent F-16 accident took place on Jan 29/14
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. Sources: Pakistan’s The News International, “PAF acquires F-16s from Jordan”.

Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s

still only the pak media is being quoted....

Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s

Feb 19/14: +13 Jordanian. Pakistani media report that the government has inked a deal with Jordan for 12 used F-16As and 1 F-16B:

“With this, the strength of PAF F-16s will reach 76…. The deal… has been authenticated by the manufacturing company and the US government has also given its nod for the sale/purchase of the planes. Well-placed defence sources told The News here the other day that the purchased aircraft were in good condition…. have been modified into Air Defence Fighters (ADF) versions. The Ogden Air Logistics Centre performed structural upgrades to extend the aircraft life from the designed 4,000 to 8,000 hours flying time as part of the programme. They also modified the aircraft engine bay for the upgraded Pratt and Whitney F100-220E engine”

The RJAF does fly F-16 MLUs bought second-hand from Belgium and the Netherlands, but this set being sold is from the 33-plane Peace Falcon I/II purchases of F-16 ADFs in 1997 and 2003. The F-16 ADF variant is actually the F-16 Block 15OCU, which added the more reliable F100-PW-220 turbofan, structural strengthening, an enlarged HUD, and provisions for the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. F-16 ADFs retain the AN/APG-66 radar, which has been supplanted by APG-68 models in subsequent variants and in Pakistan’s upgraded fighters. ADFs have some precision ground attack capability using the AGM-65 Maverick missile, but would be well behind Pakistan’s 18 new Block 52s, or the PAF’s roughly 40 existing Block 15 fighters that were upgraded to a similar standard under the programs above.

Barring upgrades, the best use for F-16 ADFs is as interceptor and air superiority fighters. Recall, however, that the DSCA request for MLU & Falcon STAR kits had a maximum of 60 aircraft, and that these kits wouldn’t be needed for the new F-16C/D Block 52s. Pakistan could order 13 more upgrade kits for these aircraft, and still be within its allotted FMS total.

The deal leaves the Royal Jordanian Air Force with 43-46 front-line F-16AM/BM MLU Block 20 fighters, and 15-18 F-16A/B Block 15 ADFs, of 79 purchased. Not only do they make some money with this sale, they also cut down on the number of RJAF F-16 ADFs that will need expensive mid-life upgrades. At least 2 of the F-16 ADFs have been lost in accidents, and their 5th and most recent F-16 accident took place on Jan 29/14
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. Sources: Pakistan’s The News International, “PAF acquires F-16s from Jordan”.

Billions to Upgrade and Up-arm Pakistan’s F-16s

still only the pak media is being quoted....
 
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Please do :agree::rolleyes:

You didn't answer my question ! :(

Why would the Jordanians be willing to sell us the F-16s if they aren't either a cash rich country who're going to acquire newer high-end platforms in turn or these F-16s aren't without any shortcomings & are in prime condition ?
 
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still only the pak media is being quoted....

still only the pak media is being quoted....

Yes and unfortunately. Would love to see a reputable source report on this.
 
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You didn't answer my question ! :(

Why would the Jordanians be willing to sell us the F-16s if they aren't either a cash rich country who're going to acquire newer high-end platforms in turn or these F-16s aren't without any shortcomings & are in prime condition ?

The Jordanians dont exactly have oil coming out of their ends. They have limited resources through which they want to operate their military. Since they have peace with Israel, they have little in terms of air defence threats to tackle. So it makes sense to get rid of those assets they deem surplus to their cause.
 
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You didn't answer my question ! :(

Why would the Jordanians be willing to sell us the F-16s if they aren't either a cash rich country who're going to acquire newer high-end platforms in turn or these F-16s aren't without any shortcomings & are in prime condition ?

This should be seen in the context of Pakistan's deal with USA where PAF ordered 60 MLU kits when they only had around 32 planes. It was PAF's plan to buy some second hand F-16's and upgrade them. There is still room for further second hand F-16 inventory additions.
 
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That day is quite a ways away Sir.
which means we got a very long way to realise how it feels to find out that your creation has been copied
this concept is completely alien to us just like we dont understand about what the fuss is about "insider trading" and "conflict of interest". people who decide in economic policies are actually stake holders and direct benefactors, our CJ sits and rules on petitions where his own family is involved former CJ dismissed all petitions about fraud against the father in law of his daughter relating to eden gardens scam) and so forth

The Jordanians dont exactly have oil coming out of their ends. They have limited resources through which they want to operate their military. Since they have peace with Israel, they have little in terms of air defence threats to tackle. So it makes sense to get rid of those assets they deem surplus to their cause.
what about the Ayatullahs they are restless that there is no attention given to Iran which is "rightfully" deserves?
 
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This should be seen in the context of Pakistan's deal with USA where PAF ordered 60 MLU kits when they only had around 32 planes. It was PAF's plan to buy some second hand F-16's and upgrade them. There is still room for further second hand F-16 inventory additions.

No probably not
MLU KITS ordered 60
28 Peace gate III/IV F-16 +32 PAF Existing F-16 blk15 = 60

14 F-16 from peace gate III/IV we have received & i think this deal is to compensate the other 14 peace gate F-16 which will also get MLUed (if not earlier for Jordan, as the report is quit confusing) so 32+14+13= 59

We would only be left with the option for 18 new block 52, and keeping the economic condition in consideration, I don't think we will exercise this option.
 
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what about the Ayatullahs they are restless that there is no attention given to Iran which is "rightfully" deserves?

I dont think the Jordanians have much on the Ayatollahs..nor are the Ayatollahs going to do anything that warrants the RJAF F-16s going into play.. Their focus is on Syria. Any situation in Syria has the potential to spill over in Jordan(which it does)..so if Syria can be kept hot using the usual Bollah against the Qaeda.. it should be all good.
 
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