Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[Cookie Monster]

Well I think F16s and JF17s will their against IAF. JF 17s and Mirages will be there for bombing mission on IAF

That's not the point in making...
...what I'm saying is that one country or the other will try to divert its opponent's assets in a full blown war.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

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And this what an Indian Defence analyst had to say about the initial 20 AH1s we bought in the 80s.
@Syed Hammad Ahmed

Thankyou Sir. Now i think they are having Akash Missile and 2K12 KUB having 20km+ range which our Cobras now have to look out

 

[PanzerKiel]

Thankyou Sir. Now i think they are having Akash Missile and 2K12 KUB having 20km+ range which our Cobras now have to look out

Cmon man, its always a circle. If we want to employ AH1s in an area, shouldnt we take active measures to neutralize their SAMs beforehand? Thats where SEAD / DEAD and employment of LCBs and SSG comes in. Its all connected. Always have the bigger picture, nothing is in isolation.

 

[Affanakad0t.]

Ukraine has no. Of su-25 in their storage. We can get em cheaply.

 

[CHI RULES]

Nopes dear. A flight of 3 AH1 is enough to stop an armored regiment. You can do the maths.

Sir in recent past even a serving high ranking PAA officer publicly made statement that our AH1s are now becoming difficult to maintain and hardly can fly up to 10000 ft, the missiles perhaps are Baktar shikan which may face effectiveness issues against modern MBTs. PA should get replacements as early as possible with capable ATGMS and defensive gadgets. The Moody is a war monger and may take a foolish step any time.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sir in recent past even a serving high ranking PAA officer publicly made statement that our AH1s are now becoming difficult to maintain and hardly can fly up to 10000 ft, the missiles perhaps are Baktar shikan which may face effectiveness issues against modern MBTs. PA should get replacements as early as possible with capable ATGMS and defensive gadgets. The Moody is a war monger and may take a foolish step any time.

You are right dear, maintenance issues especially of airframes are there. But then, in anti-armr role you always fly using nap-of-the-earth tactics, even AH-64 Apache uses the same tactics, keeping below the horizon while using its Longbow radar.

High altitude for attack helis means they can be shot down from miles away. Therefore, altitude isnt a problem.

Our AH1s are configured for both BGM-71 and BSWS.

We can also buy or make few dozens of SPAAG vehicles.

It can work along side with VT-4s

The reason we arent going primarily on a SPAAG route is that their guns offer ranges of max 4-5 Kms nowadays besides high rate of ammo expenditure and accuracy. In the era of standoff threat there is a need of system able to counter stand off threat with guidance system, therefore missiles are preferred which are having 1 or more guidance system

We have got PANTSIR for the reason that it is a hybrid system, it has 12 missiles on one vehicle with a range of 20 Kms and radio command guidance , the guns are secondary weapons with range of 4 Kms. Even in PANTSIR for firing of guns the system needs to be stopped and jacks lowered. However for missiles, it can fire while moving.

 

[ziaulislam]

Lo, they were PRIMARILY bought for their anti armor role. Imagine, 8 BGM 71s on each Cobra.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Pakistan-Army/Bell-AH-1F-Cobra-209/5485011/L

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@Syed Hammad Ahmed

Can they use hellfire? And do we have acess to hellfire(i know it was orderee with zulus)
Any other fire and forget system that can go with it?

 

[PanzerKiel]

Can they use hellfire? And do we have acess to hellfire(i know it was orderee with zulus)
Any other fire and forget system that can go with it?

We do not have AGM-114.

Can they use hellfire?

Nopes. In cobra family, AGM-114 can only be used by AH1W Super Cobras and AH1Z.

 

[CHI RULES]

You are right dear, maintenance issues especially of airframes are there. But then, in anti-armr role you always fly using nap-of-the-earth tactics, even AH-64 Apache uses the same tactics, keeping below the horizon while using its Longbow radar.

High altitude for attack helis means they can be shot down from miles away. Therefore, altitude isnt a problem.

Our AH1s are configured for both BGM-71 and BSWS.



The reason we arent going primarily on a SPAAG route is that their guns offer ranges of max 4-5 Kms nowadays besides high rate of ammo expenditure and accuracy. In the era of standoff threat there is a need of system able to counter stand off threat with guidance system, therefore missiles are preferred which are having 1 or more guidance system

We have got PANTSIR for the reason that it is a hybrid system, it has 12 missiles on one vehicle with a range of 20 Kms and radio command guidance , the guns are secondary weapons with range of 4 Kms. Even in PANTSIR for firing of guns the system needs to be stopped and jacks lowered. However for missiles, it can fire while moving.

Sir only two issues one maintenance and other defensive capabilities. As may be a lay man yet I am smelling that PA and IAF/IA attack helis may come face to face in any future war and better shall survive just like skirmish of previous year proved many points. The same has already happened in Iran-Iraq war though details are hardly available.

Sir only two issues one maintenance and other defensive capabilities. As may be a lay man yet I am smelling that PA and IAF/IA attack helis may come face to face in any future war and better shall survive just like skirmish of previous year proved many points. The same has already happened in Iran-Iraq war though details are hardly available.

The VT4 and other coming MBTs can prove their worth only if used in a combo with other assets like very short to medium range mobile SAMs and support of capable Attack helis.

 

[LKJ86]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255850232946057218

USA? Iran? VT-4???

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sir only two issues one maintenance and other defensive capabilities. As may be a lay man yet I am smelling that PA and IAF/IA attack helis may come face to face in any future war and better shall survive just like skirmish of previous year proved many points. The same has already happened in Iran-Iraq war though details are hardly available.

In that case, first, both sides will try to shoot the other side's AHs out of the sky, either by AD or PAF/IAF. Attack helis normally donot operate till the time you donot have air superiority, or atleast air parity. With enemy fighters in the air already, its suicide to take your helis out.

Even then, if they do come face to face, it will have mixed results, ours is small and agile, theirs is big and heavily armed, on the ground will be AD elements of both sides who will interfere, along with AA HMGs joining in the show.

 

[Joe Shearer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255850232946057218

USA? Iran? VT-4???

Pompeo is being heavily sarcastic, and berating Sen.Elizabeth Warren for some reason. He puts it to her that what she has said earlier, whatever he is responding to, implies that she will not want to see Chinese aid to Iran in October blocked. If so, he asks, what would she agree to China sending to Iran? VT-4 tanks, he asks?

This is all part of a spat between two members of the American political system. It has nothing to do with Iran, or with China.

 

[PanzerKiel]

The VT4 and other coming MBTs can prove their worth only if used in a combo with other assets like very short to medium range mobile SAMs and support of capable Attack helis.

Seems like you missed my point in the previous posts. AH1s wont be used in direct support of our advancing armor. They will be mostly used either to interdict enemy armor reinforcements moving towards the battlefield or to stop an enemy armor force which has broken through unexpectedly through our defences.

 

[LKJ86]

Pompeo is being heavily sarcastic, and berating Sen.Elizabeth Warren for some reason. He puts it to her that what she has said earlier, whatever he is responding to, implies that she will not want to see Chinese aid to Iran in October blocked. If so, he asks, what would she agree to China sending to Iran? VT-4 tanks, he asks?

This is all part of a spat between two members of the American political system. It has nothing to do with Iran, or with China.

I'm just surprised that Pompeo also knows of VT-4...

 

[Joe Shearer]

In that case, first, both sides will try to shoot the other side's AHs out of the sky, either by AD or PAF/IAF. Attack helis normally donot operate till the time you donot have air superiority, or atleast air parity. With enemy fighters in the air already, its suicide to take your helis out.

Even then, if they do come face to face, it will have mixed results, ours is small and agile, theirs is big and heavily armed, on the ground will be AD elements of both sides who will interfere, along with AA HMGs joining in the show.

At least 75% of the attack helicopters that can be deployed are intended to be small and agile ones, operated by the Army. The big and heavily armed 800 lb gorillas are to be operated by the Air Force.

Apart from this, all the rest is likely to remain the same.

Whoever wins across all three layers, Air Defence assets and Anti-Aircraft assets, attack helicopters, and fixed wing interceptors and air superiority fighters, will win the domination of the air over the battlefield. It does not guarantee success for the ground forces engagements.

I'm just surprised that Pompeo also knows of VT-4...

You do remember his previous job?