Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

According to today's news, T129 was sent to Pakistan for trial purposes.

http://www.kokpit.aero/atak-helikopteri-pakistan-satis-plani

@cabatli_53 @T-123456 the Google Translate version is unclear, can you guys translate (at least the first several paragraphs about Pakistan)?

 

[T-123456]

@cabatli_53 @T-123456 the Google Translate version is unclear, can you guys translate (at least the first several paragraphs about Pakistan)?

The Ministry of National Defense pressed the button for the sale of the ATAK helicopter produced by TAİ with indigenous facilities to Pakistan. If the tests succeed, the war helicopters will be sold to Islamabad.
The T129 ATAK helicopter was sent to Pakistan for trial purposes.
According to the information obtained from MSB(Defence Ministry) officials, the ATAK helicopter, which made its first flight on 17 August 2011 and delivered to the TSK on April 22, 2014, will be exported to this country if it successfully passes the testing process in Pakistan. Thus, for the first time in the Republican history, Turkey will sell top-level military vehicles to another country. Turkey is expected to complete the sales process, which will take domestic arms production one step further.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Ministry of National Defense pressed the button for the sale of the ATAK helicopter produced by TAİ with indigenous facilities to Pakistan. If the tests succeed, the war helicopters will be sold to Islamabad.
The T129 ATAK helicopter was sent to Pakistan for trial purposes.
According to the information obtained from MSB(Defence Ministry) officials, the ATAK helicopter, which made its first flight on 17 August 2011 and delivered to the TSK on April 22, 2014, will be exported to this country if it successfully passes the testing process in Pakistan. Thus, for the first time in the Republican history, Turkey will sell top-level military vehicles to another country. Turkey is expected to complete the sales process, which will take domestic arms production one step further.

Thanks. It's unclear if this was a recent test or the one from June. Basically, Kokpit Aero is making it sound as though new tests will be taking place.

 

[T-123456]

Thanks. It's unclear if this was a recent test or the one from June. Basically, Kokpit Aero is making it sound as though new tests will be taking place.

Maybe the tests started last year in June to end this year in June?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Maybe the tests started last year in June to end this year in June?

IIRC the T-129 was only there for a few days, but the Army did long-term tests (e.g. Z-10) before.

 

[T-123456]

IIRC the T-129 was only there for a few days

What kind of tests can you do in a few days?
Maybe your info is wrong and it stayed in Paakistan or they sent another one for a longer period for further tests.
He was talking about ''after the tests'' which would mean that the tests havent ended yet.

 

[Saifullah Sani]

The Turkish aviation news website Kokpit Aero reports that Turkey’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) is actively pushing for a Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T-129 attack helicopter sale to Pakistan.

Citing Turkish MoD sources, Kokpit Aero reports that a T-129 was sent to Pakistan for evaluation. If the tests are successful, the T-129 will be exported to Pakistan. It would be Turkey’s largest defence export.

Notes & Comments:
It is not clear if Kokpit Aero was referring to the T-129 tests that took place in Pakistan in June 2016 or a different and recent set of tests. In an interview published by MSI Turkish Defence Review in April, the Turkish Undersecretary for Defence Industries (SSM) Dr. Ismail Demir said that Pakistani officials would be present at the T-129’s Mizrak-U (UMTAS-L) anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) tests. These tests were successfully completed at the beginning of April. Considering the addition of new weapons and systems to the T-129 via the T-129B, it is plausible that the T-129B will now be shown to the Pakistan Army.

At Pakistan’s biennial defence exhibition IDEAS in November, TAI officials claimed that the Pakistan Army was satisfied with the T-129’s performance – TAI said it was waiting to be called for commercial and technical negotiations. In February, TAI’s general manager Temel Kotil said that TAI had the requisite licenses to re-export the T-129’s powerplant, the CTS800 turboshaft engine, and that he anticipated a T-129 sale to Pakistan “in the coming months.”

Currently, the Pakistan Army has 12 Bell Helicopters AH-1Z Viper and four Mil Mi-35M assault helicopters on order. These will lead the effort to modernize the Pakistan Army Aviation (PAA) corps’ fleet, which is built upon legacy AH-1F/S Cobras. The first three AH-1Z are scheduled for delivery in 2017. The AH-1Z order will be accompanied by up to 1,000 AGM-114R Hellfire II ATGM. The T-129 appears to be competing against the Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation Z-10 for a ‘plus one’ attack helicopter requirement.

Interestingly, each of the Turkish companies involved in the T-129 program offered parallel goods to the Pakistani military, especially at IDEAS. For example, Roketsan pitched its Mizrak (UMTAS) ATGM platform to the Pakistan Army and Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The Mizrak is the principal ATGM of the T-129, with the 8-km range Mizrak-U being qualified from the ATAK in April. Likewise, Aselsan, which is supplying ASELPOD targeting pods to the PAF and is interested in supplying systems for the Army’s al-Khalid tank program, is responsible for the T-129’s avionics, countermeasures as well as sensor and targeting pod.
A sale of T-129s to Pakistan would not be limited to TAI, but it would likely involve Aselsan, Roketsan and Havelsan (for simulators) as well. Considering the industry-wide scope of the program, it is not a surprise that the Turkish MoD places a high amount of value to the prospective sale. Pakistan will try to secure co-production and transfer-of-technology benefits through such a sale. In this respect, the Turkish SSM has been generally receptive. In fact, TAI contracted Anka drone-related manufacturing work to Pakistan in 2013, demonstrating its interest in opening Pakistan’s industries to workshare activities.

http://quwa.org/2017/05/08/update-turkeys-efforts-sell-t-129-helicopters-pakistan/

 

[Hassan Guy]

Pakistan will try to secure co-production and transfer-of-technology benefits

This should be a prerequisite.

 

[Fledgingwings]

I wont mind this helicopter arriving in pakistan.Turkeys is pretty much busy with multiple indigenous stuff in the making.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Long Live Turks...U guys have some serious military stuff, capable of ripping apart enemy quite badly...So much with such style and fashion....Always supportive to Pakistan.

Pakistan is lucky to have Turkiye as brother. A country which never harmed our interests, always ready to help.

I wish all Turkish defense officials/industry good luck in their future ambitions.

 

[YeBeWarned]

So Pakistan Army has put some recommendations to Turks and turkey has worked on it to re-offer it to PA ..same has done to Z-10's , seems like PA is very careful and want best bang for buck

 

[Arsalan 345]

Problem is money. We can't buy both Chinese and Turkish helicopters.but we need attack helicopters so much for our loc.

 

[bananarepublic]

they probably should go for a heavier platform than this ....

 

[Arsalan]

IIRC the T-129 was only there for a few days, but the Army did long-term tests (e.g. Z-10) before.

Weeks
based on what we know it was here for weeks but did went back.
is this a new example sent for evaluation that we do not know about or is it about the old test, will have to wait and see!

 

[S.U.R.B.]

It seems that the army aviation will like to get a taste of those (limited number of )AH-1Zs first before they move on to sign another deal for another attack helicopter.The gradual replacement process will take it's due time.