Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[jupiter2007]

I hope ATAK 2 won't be carrying an American engine.

It's not even in production and it uses french engine.

the deal is dead, long live the Z 10 deal....

Even if we get those, it won't be in large numbers.

 

[_NOBODY_]

It's not even in production and it uses french engine.



Even if we get those, it won't be in large numbers.

Can provide proof for your claim that ATAK 2 will be using a French engine? If Z-10 gets chosen then we will definitely be buying them huge numbers.

 

[jupiter2007]

the deal is dead, long live the Z 10 deal....

Can provide proof for your claim that ATAK 2 will be using a French engine? If Z-10 gets chosen then we will definitely be buying them huge numbers.

apology, I was talking about Rooivalk Attack Helicopter

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/


Rooivalk Attack Helicopter
SHARE
CREW
Pilot, weapon systems officer
MISSIONS
Anti-armour, ground suppression, anti-helicopter, ferry, reconnaissance and counter-insurgency
MAIN ROTOR TO TAIL ROTOR
18,732mm
MAIN ROTOR DIAMETER
15,580mm
OVERALL HEIGHT
5,187mm
LENGTH
16.39m
CREW
Pilot, weapon systems officer
MISSIONS
Anti-armour, ground suppression, anti-helicopter, ferry, reconnaissance and counter-insurgency
MAIN ROTOR TO TAIL ROTOR
18,732mm
MAIN ROTOR DIAMETER
15,580mm
OVERALL HEIGHT
5,187mm
MAXIMUM TAKE-OFF WEIGHT
8,750kg
MINIMUM OPERATING WEIGHT
5,730kg
MAXIMUM INTERNAL FUEL
1,469kg
EMPTY WEIGHT
5,910kg
POWERPLANT
2 x Turbomeca Makila 1K2 turboshaft engines

 

[Mamajama]

What do you mean by proof?
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/


Rooivalk Attack Helicopter
SHARE
CREW
Pilot, weapon systems officer
MISSIONS
Anti-armour, ground suppression, anti-helicopter, ferry, reconnaissance and counter-insurgency
MAIN ROTOR TO TAIL ROTOR
18,732mm
MAIN ROTOR DIAMETER
15,580mm
OVERALL HEIGHT
5,187mm
LENGTH
16.39m
CREW
Pilot, weapon systems officer
MISSIONS
Anti-armour, ground suppression, anti-helicopter, ferry, reconnaissance and counter-insurgency
MAIN ROTOR TO TAIL ROTOR
18,732mm
MAIN ROTOR DIAMETER
15,580mm
OVERALL HEIGHT
5,187mm
MAXIMUM TAKE-OFF WEIGHT
8,750kg
MINIMUM OPERATING WEIGHT
5,730kg
MAXIMUM INTERNAL FUEL
1,469kg
EMPTY WEIGHT
5,910kg
POWERPLANT
2 x Turbomeca Makila 1K2 turboshaft engines

This is rooivalk 2 not atak 2. I'm sure Pakistan could get Chinese engine and build it in country with ToT.

 

[jupiter2007]

This is rooivalk 2 not atak 2. I'm sure Pakistan could get Chinese engine and build it in country with ToT.

No one gives 100% TOT, plus you can't put Toyota engine in BMW.

 

[Mamajama]

No one gives 100% TOT, plus you can't put Toyota engine in BMW.

It will only be rooivalk in name but have huge modifications. They will give ToT probably a lot considering the situation Denel is in now.

 

[jupiter2007]

It will only be rooivalk in name but have huge modifications. They will give ToT probably a lot considering the situation Denel is in now.

Are you saying to have Denel helicopter with Chinese WZ16 engine?

 

[Mamajama]

Are you saying to have Denel helicopter with Chinese WZ16 engine?

Why not?

 

[denel]

Why not?

Why do you need CHinese engine; we can use engines Safran without issues

 

[jupiter2007]

Why not?

WZ16 is still under development. Z-10 with WZ16 engine will require extensive testing before PA will make a decision about purchasing Chinese helicopter.

As far as Denel helicopter is concerned, there are too many ifs. Pakistan has to be committed if they want to build their own helicopter and willing to spend money to develop it.

 

[LKJ86]

Z-10 with WZ16 engine will require extensive testing before PA will make a decision about purchasing Chinese helicopter.

Z-10 will never use WZ-16.

 

[denel]

WZ16 is still under development. Z-10 with WZ16 engine will require extensive testing before PA will make a decision about purchasing Chinese helicopter.

As far as Denel helicopter is concerned, there are too many ifs. Pakistan has to be committed if they want to build their own helicopter and willing to spend money to develop it.

The problem is PAC never wants to invest in a true manufacturing end to end. Any development requires monies and vision. If this route is ever taken you get Rooivalk plus Oryx medium lift in a single go.

 

[jupiter2007]

The problem is PAC never wants to invest in a true manufacturing end to end. Any development requires monies and vision. If this route is ever taken you get Rooivalk plus Oryx medium lift in a single go.

That's very true.....

 

[Mamajama]

Why do you need CHinese engine; we can use engines Safran without issues

French may have problems with Pakistan and Indians. For example let's say India says we will buy 100 rafales if you dont let pakistan have the engines. Dont you think they will be obliged to agree by the government?

 

[denel]

French may have problems with Pakistan and Indians. For example let's say India says we will buy 100 rafales if you dont let pakistan have the engines. Dont you think they will be obliged to agree by the government?

As I noted, you have option to go safran route or use the SA produced Makila engines or get via Romania. Note WZ-6 engine is a fit for this utility without many modification as it is a derivative.