Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Beast]

Interesting [emoji848]

Even if ah-1z or engines released what’s next ?? Another headache [emoji856]


https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...ng-parts-and-components-to-turkish-companies/

Turkey is very limited in terms of military major hardware export. It not reasonable to produced 100% indigneous for a fighter jet, attack helo or warship. Turkey is a less than a trillion dollar economy. It is beyond their means.

Look at Saab. Given their long history of aviation, they have yet to produced fighter jet and weapon to achieve 100% indigenous until now.

 

[graphican]

Second-best helicopter at hand is much better than the best helicopter you never had. War with India is looming and it's not difficult to decide.

 

[blain2]

Trump Administration sanctioned Bell Helicopters and TAI. You can wait until July 2020, result will be the same.

One option, if Imran Khan visits Washington and listen to Trump and withdraw support for various organizations, the US considers as terrorists organizations. Mike Pompeo visited Pakistan, met his counterpart and explained this to his Counterpart. Pakistan also has China baggage with them. Politically and financially challenging situations for US to support foreign military sale when China directly involved in political matters within Pakistan. IMF recently advised Pakistan to reduce dependence on China. Pakistan needs to think about greater goods for Pakistan, not China. The US has given Pakistan almost $33 billion aid since 2002. The US currently withhold $800 million Security Aid to Pakistan.

Pakistan intends to procure Chinese Z-10 attack helicopter following sanctions by the US: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...ard-china-for-attack-helicopter-requirements/

AH-1Z are not worth all that and the same goes for licensing for TAI helicopters. The US needs to realize that Pakistan wants to straddle the middle of the road. It does not want to work against China or the US (whereas US has recruited India to do just that). As such, if need be, Pakistan will make do with Chinese platforms.

Greater good for Pakistan is trade, not assistance. CPEC offers opportunity to trade not just with China but other countries as well and is an ongoing benefit whereas assistance is always diminishing until the next big crises occurs. Trade will open the doors for Pakistan to generate enough capacity to buy what it needs without always being under pressure by those who provide assistance.

 

[mingle]

AH-1Z are not worth all that and the same goes for licensing for TAI helicopters. The US needs to realize that Pakistan wants to straddle the middle of the road. It does not want to work against China or the US (whereas US has recruited India to do just that). As such, if need be, Pakistan will make do with Chinese platforms.

Greater good for Pakistan is trade, not assistance. CPEC offers opportunity to trade not just with China but other countries as well and is an ongoing benefit where assistance is always diminishing until the next big crises occurs. That will open the doors for Pakistan to generate enough capacity to buy what it needs without always being under pressure by those who provide assistance.

Good point grow Ur pie once pie is large enough I assure U same US will offer Pak anything what Pak needs

 

[nomi007]

we are already specialist with russian engines, best for Pak to select this engine

 

[GriffinsRule]

So basically now that Turkey and Russia find themselves on the opposing sides again, its quiet likely the S-400 purchase might not go through, hence resolving the issue between them and the US, hence F-35 back online for them, and T-129 and engines and other such issues back on track for us.

 

[mingle]

So basically now that Turkey and Russia find themselves on the opposing sides again, its quiet likely the S-400 purchase might not go through, hence resolving the issue between them and the US, hence F-35 back online for them, and T-129 and engines and other such issues back on track for us.

It already stated on this forum before turkish policy is not clear but looks clarity is coming. F35 is already started along PAC 3 system So it's very highly likely T129 engine issue will resolve Pakistan policy also getting clarity aliening herself US Taliban Pak along turkey against Iran and Co

 

[aziqbal]

So basically now that Turkey and Russia find themselves on the opposing sides again, its quiet likely the S-400 purchase might not go through, hence resolving the issue between them and the US, hence F-35 back online for them, and T-129 and engines and other such issues back on track for us.

Turkey already have S400 deliveries

no chance of F35 ever coming to Turkey zero

Erdogan made a massive blunder and now has neither F35 and half of S400

 

[mingle]

Turkey already have S400 deliveries

no chance of F35 ever coming to Turkey zero

Erdogan made a massive blunder and now has neither F35 and half of S400

Well LM said Turkey is now behind F35 program but very good chances are they will rejoin it along theior request PAC 3 system. Very likely approval of T129 engines for Pak

 

[mshah]

Time will tell but apparently Erdogan is making strategic mistake in Syria by trying to control area along Turkey's border with Syria. This has put Turkey not only on collision point with Russia and Syria but is also getting their soldiers killed in an external conflict for no gain. Turkey has fewer allies and should try to contain conflicts on its border rather creating new ones.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Turkey may still get the F35 if you want.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Well LM said Turkey is now behind F35 program but very good chances are they will rejoin it along theior request PAC 3 system. Very likely approval of T129 engines for Pak

how so? has the purchase of S400 not shut the door on all American military technology forever for Turkey?
what has changed?

Turkey may still get the F35 if you want.

is a compromise reached between Turkey and Americans despite the presence of S400?

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

ve Amerikalılar arasında S400 bulunmasına rağmen uzlaşmaya varıldı mı?

The obligation to have the s400 is completely empty. If an agreement is made that the S400 cannot be used, it can already be purchased

 

[blain2]

Erdogan made a massive blunder and now has neither F35 and half of S400

Too early to sound off such stark conclusions.

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Too early to sound off such stark conclusions.

We are not Pakistan. We were put on the same scale under the name of Muslim brotherhood, but even our most right-wingers are more western than other high-populated Muslim countries. Our military standards, cultures, and geography. US to Turkey, India and Pakistan 'You're supposed to act as a kind act, but this has always been ups and downs, nothing has changed at the end.