Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Shabi1]

If spares available and proper maintenance carried out a airframe in theory could be kept flying indefinitely. Eg US B-52s and CH-53s.
However it gets economically expensive since the manpower hours to do so is expensive. This is why tranche 1 EF2000s too expensive to maintain. But for PA it's inhiuse work. Because of the threat levels Cobras could be kept upgraded and in flying condition but used sparingly as alternatives become available.
As per my understanding at any given time PA keeps half of them in operation and remaining half in maintenance or reserve so that they are kept airworthy properly.

 

[The Accountant]

If spares available and proper maintenance carried out a airframe in theory could be kept flying indefinitely. Eg US B-52s and CH-53s.
However it gets economically expensive since the manpower hours to do so is expensive. This is why tranche 1 EF2000s too expensive to maintain. But for PA it's inhiuse work. Because of the threat levels Cobras could be kept upgraded and in flying condition but used sparingly as alternatives become available.
As per my understanding at any given time PA keeps half of them in operation and remaining half in maintenance or reserve so that they are kept airworthy properly.

No machine can be used in definitely ... even the non moving parts gets wear and tear due to matle fatigue

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I have always wonderd can we get newer air frames from Iran as they seem to build them?? Correct me if I am wrong.
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Iran had an agreement with USA to build Cobra and its engine locally in the 70's similarly Iran also had a similar deal in regards to F-5's.

TOUFAN and TOUFAN II are Iranian Cobra upgrades.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/shabaviz-209.htm
https://theaviationist.com/2013/01/02/toufan-2/


Iran also has a light attack heli HESA Shahed 285
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/HESA_Shahed_285

they built about 10 frame under name of TOUFAN 6-7 years ago, but we never see them later, probably they got some engine and spares from US as a result of negotiations from other politic issues. hence they wanted to implement attack heli fleet with those parts. If they are able to make a new heli we would see them in every week.

dont forget North Korea is operating a US made heli fleet.

They have done well in keeping the old ones flying, but I doubt it.

 

[dBSPL]

T / P-129, just a first sentence of the fabulous story which will write by Pakistan and Turkey ...

The future is brighter. And will be more deterrent for enemies.

 

[cabatli_53]

T / P-129, just a first sentence of the fabulous story which will write by Pakistan and Turkey ...

The future is brighter. And will be more deterrent for enemies.

New page will be opened with Atak-2..

DIRCM Infrared counter measure system
Mildar MMW radar
30mm cannon with buried munition box
3 weapon station on each wing
360 degree electronic warfare counter measure systems (HEHSIS) buried into fuselage
16 Long range ATGM carriage capacity
Heavy armor protection (Cockpit protection against 12,7mm)
10 t MTOW (T-129 Atak : 5t MTOW)

 

[mingle]

Looks like apachi to me

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

New page will be opened with Atak-2..

DIRCM Infrared counter measure system
Mildar MMW radar
30mm cannon with buried munition box
3 weapon station on each wing
360 degree electronic warfare counter measure systems (HEHSIS) buried into fuselage
16 Long range ATGM carriage capacity
Heavy armor protection (Cockpit protection against 12,7mm)
10 t MTOW (T-129 Atak : 5t MTOW)

@Oscar ... if the AH-1Z falls through, then what are the chances of waiting for the ATAK-2 (10-ton)?

 

[Rafi]

@Oscar ... if the AH-1Z falls through, then what are the chances of waiting for the ATAK-2 (10-ton)?

PAA is interested, if it is anything like T129 it's got a good chance, the Turks alongside the PRC are trusted partners.

 

[xbat]

TEI president Dr.Aksit says first TS1400 turboshaft engine will be delivered in a year, he also says its power almost about 1500 hp. see at 3:45

 

[nomi007]

@Oscar ... if the AH-1Z falls through, then what are the chances of waiting for the ATAK-2 (10-ton)?

better to ask USA to give us Chinooks instead of Cobra

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar ... if the AH-1Z falls through, then what are the chances of waiting for the ATAK-2 (10-ton)?

More ATAKs will follow but the PA attack force will have lower force structure.

 

[Imran Khan]

ATAK should make 2 of Pakistani t129s now for training and hand over to PAA

 

[Path-Finder]

TEI president Dr.Aksit says first TS1400 turboshaft engine will be delivered in a year, he also says its power almost about 1500 hp. see at 3:45

I hope the engine is successful in testing!

 

[Quwa]

More ATAKs will follow but the PA attack force will have lower force structure.

I'm guessing it's a combination of limited funding to sustain a massive CAS element and, potentially, the PAF looking to use the Block-I/II for launching a Chinese equivalent to CBU-105 (I hope...)

 

[Zulfiqar]

I'm guessing it's a combination of limited funding to sustain a massive CAS element and, potentially, the PAF looking to use the Block-I/II for launching a Chinese equivalent to CBU-105 (I hope...)

Along with CBU eq and SADARM eqs Pakistan also needs to work with the turks and the chinese for a local version of brimstone. A squadron of K-8s/JF-17s modified to carry these will be a good supplement to our future gunships. A squadron with a payload of 6 brimstones each can easily counter a brigade or two of enemy's armor formation in multiple sorties although possibly with a greater attrition rate than a similar formation with CBU-105s.

Below image clarifies the size difference between maverick and a brimstone(the one lying on floor with yellow bands). Multiple brimstones can be carried on a single rack in place of a maverick.

More ATAKs will follow but the PA attack force will have lower force structure.

What do you mean? Lower Squadron strength relative to present in future?