Pakistan Army maybe stationed in Saudi Arabia if needed.

[Yzd Khalifa]

Well said bro

Sadly! your efforts will be wasted against a poster whose primary source of history is.................................

drum roll please ..................

......... Constipated conspiracy theories.

This is why I avoided to give long answer to his post,.


Regards

I try not to give any long response but people have the right to know that the Pakistanis don't work for some a prince in a fairy tail fashion. They're the master of their own house and that's that.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I try not to give any long response but people have the right to know that the Pakistanis don't work for some a prince in a fairy tail fashion. They're the master of their own house and that's that.

Well said

These are the haters of Pakistan and KSA cooperation.

And haters will always hate when the two countries cooperate.

 

[VCheng]

I try not to give any long response but people have the right to know that the Pakistanis don't work for some a prince in a fairy tail fashion. They're the master of their own house and that's that.

Is that really true? The "masters of their own house" seem to be taking a pretty good drubbing lately.

 

[Khan_patriot]

I cant believe this thread is still alive.....

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

It is an utter joke. There is no point for stationing or mobilizing foreign troops. Take the last war in Sadah, Yemen as an example where only us got involved in it despite the fact that many Pakistanis were willing to volunteer - something we understand and appreciate -

There were reports of limited Jordanian Special forces involved, is that true?

 

[FaujHistorian]

There were reports of limited Jordanian Special forces involved, is that true?

yemeni border thingy was pure Saudi armed forces effort

Is that really true? The "masters of their own house" seem to be taking a pretty good drubbing lately.

Drubbing is part of owning something.

If you don't own a piece of land
and instead reside in foreign lands

then obviously you will not be "drubbed"

may be "rubbed" though

 

[SQ8]

Well said bro

Sadly! your efforts will be wasted against a poster whose primary source of history is.................................

drum roll please ..................

......... Constipated conspiracy theories.

This is why I avoided to give long answer to his post,.


Regards

But you can you prove with historical records that it is so? After all, a lot of our history is in books by various authors presenting various viewpoints. Shall be believe Tiger Niazis account in
The Betrayal of East Pakistan of the 71 war or that of Siddique Salik in
Witness To Surrender??

 

[fawwaxs]

WOW good news, It Made My Day

 

[FaujHistorian]

But you can you prove with historical records that it is so? After all, a lot of our history is in books by various authors presenting various viewpoints. Shall be believe Tiger Niazis account in
The Betrayal of East Pakistan of the 71 war or that of Siddique Salik in
Witness To Surrender??

My comments were specific to post #100.

BDesh is a topic separate from our army's deployment in KSA

BDesh in this context is valid only if we see that Saudis protesting against the our commander in KSA

 

[SQ8]

My comments were specific to post #100.

BDesh is a topic separate from our army's deployment in KSA

BDesh in this context is valid only if we see that Saudis protesting against the our commander in KSA

And my comments are not separate.. they do not refer to Bangladesh, but rather to the accounts of history. The romanticizing of relations with Saudi Arabia are mentioned time and again by many military authors. Case in point is a nice little narrative in ACdre Mansoor Shah's book "the Gold Bird". He recounts how when the initial Pakistani military advisers arrived in Saudi Arabia, the leader of the Army delegation prepared a long and tedious presentation on "the defence of Mecca" in full gusto.. after five minutes the Saudi lead got up.. and told him to move on as he need not worry his head about mecca as a higher power has that problem taken care of.

The question is not of the view of the anger of the Saudis.. but rather the nature of the relationship as oscillating perceptions of transactions and emotive ideals.

 

[Informant]

Alright, let's dissect every statement one by one at a time ...



Prior to the withdrawal of British military commanders, even long before the declaration of dependance, KSA maintained good relations with Pakistan back then. Of course relations with strengthened after the Mumbai Conference.

Speaking of the protection by Karachi Brigade, I'd like to remind you that back in the days where the Brits left Pakistan, the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, and Oman didn't gain their dependance back then. Thusly, to assume that they offered such thing as protection is too ludicrous. My family has been in this business for quite sometime, I can speak with the authority on that.

I'm not assigned to the sub-continent but I believe the Karachi Brigade played a major role in anti-terror operations - with the ISI of course - Some of their operations are known to be the greatest anti-terror operations of all time such as capturing Ramzi Yousef who plotted the World Trade Center bombings in the 90s, also, Ramzi Bin Al-Shibh as well as capturing the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -

As for the Saudis - I don't know much about the Kuwaitis really - the task of protecting the King was given to the Ikhwan - also known as the white army - The White Army's origins are traced to the 20s a long time before Pakistan itself gained its independence.



KSA didn't support the nationalists in Egypt back then when they led a coup against the Egyptian last Monarch - King Farooq - at the same time KSA wasn't hostile to the Nasserists much. When the Anglo-Franco-Israeli forces invaded the Canal in 56, KSA didn't take any action except putting a great pressure under the Brits - along with the US which too was outraged by such an invasion -

KSA's political affiliation was in par with Pakistan, a pro-Western Capitalists, Anti-Communist. To assume that KSA was hostile to Pakistan due to its political affiliation, isn't solely insane but also shows lack of knowledge. In addition to this, if all Arabs were anti-Pakistan as you're suggesting, then why would Pakistan officially interfered in favor of KSA during the boarder clashes with Yemen, at a time where we had many jets and less pilots? This took place long before the volunteers Pakistan sent to Syria and Egypt in 67 and respectively to 73.



Not true. The vast majority of Pakistanis support the US intervention in Afghanistan, while they opposed the invasion of Iraq, which KSA opposed as well. As for Libya, only Qatar and the UAE supported taking military actions while KSA remained indifferent.

Whether we opposed it or not, in case of Libya, when the Security Council approved taking a military action.



True, but Nawaz isn't backed up by the entire political establishments of KSA. Another key element in this equation is that the stabilization of Afghanistan. It is one of the highest priority to both countries.




@Arabian Legend @BLACKEAGLE @al-Hasani @JUBA @Aeronaut @Oscar @Pakistanisage @Secur @Informant
@FaujHistorian

That dude has issues.

 

[FaujHistorian]

.... the initial Pakistani military advisers arrived in Saudi Arabia, the leader of the Army delegation prepared a long and tedious presentation on "the defence of Mecca" in full gusto.. .

hahahahahah

That's funny. Thanks for sharing.

Seriously though!

There are unconfirmed reports that Pakistanis soldiers were involved in blood soaked "defense of Makkah" when the local salafists anti-King group took over the holy mosque.

 

[SQ8]

As for the Saudis - I don't know much about the Kuwaitis really - the task of protecting the King was given to the Ikhwan - also known as the white army - The White Army's origins are traced to the 20s a long time before Pakistan itself gained its independence.

then why would Pakistan officially interfered in favor of KSA during the boarder clashes with Yemen, at a time where we had many jets and less pilots? This took place long before the volunteers Pakistan sent to Syria and Egypt in 67 and respectively to 73.



Not true. The vast majority of Pakistanis support the US intervention in Afghanistan, while they opposed the invasion of Iraq, which KSA opposed as well. As for Libya, only Qatar and the UAE supported taking military actions while KSA remained indifferent.

Whether we opposed it or not, in case of Libya, when the Security Council approved taking a military action.



True, but Nawaz isn't backed up by the entire political establishments of KSA. Another key element in this equation is that the stabilization of Afghanistan. It is one of the highest priority to both countries.

I think the time period referred to was the 50s in the protection brigade.. although I am a little perplexed as to whether we had the resources to put any forces overseas pre 71.. @asad71 @FaujHistorian .. be nice


2. I believe you are affirming Pakistani support(via pilots and personnel) in the Yemen border Skirmishes .. PAF pilots flew the RSAF Lightening F.53s during that engagement. If you remember, Bhutto and his "Islamic Socialism" along with his idea of the Islamic bloc with King Khalid and Gaddafi was a major bonding moment for Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

3. Nawaz has his friends in KSA.. as does Musharraf( Zardari I am not too sure as his "madhab" is quite different and hence not very popular in KSA). KSA has its interests in Pakistan, and regardless of Pakistan's own house has, does and still may use both direct and indirect means via both money and physical assets to influence events vis-a-vis its posturing against the Persians.

hahahahahah

That's funny. Thanks for sharing.

Seriously though!

There are unconfirmed reports that Pakistanis soldiers were involved in blood soaked "defense of Makkah" when the local salafists anti-King group took over the holy mosque.

Apparently they stood by with guns pointed.. the French did most of the clever cleaning via some sleeping gas or something.. whether they went about shooting sleeping Salafists is unknown to me.

 

[FaujHistorian]

.....
Apparently they stood by with guns pointed.. the French did most of the clever cleaning via some sleeping gas or something.. whether they went about shooting sleeping Salafists is unknown to me.

I don't think anyone could just "stand by" with gun pointed if there is a major anti-terror operation is going on.

Think Lal khooni masjid, for a moment

Would you say that Shaheed Col. Islam was standing by while Mullahtic goons were shooting down with AK-47?

Would you?

 

[Pakistanisage]

1. After the Brits left PA's Karachi Bde had been tasked with the protection of oil royal families. That protection was limited only to the families/regimes where Seven Sisters (oil) were present. Pakistan had shown no interest in supporting the Arabs when the Anglo-French-Israeli forces invaded Suez in1956.In fact PM Suhrowardy had actually made pro-West statements, Pakistan then being a staunch ally of anti-Communist West. The Arabs had become anti-Pakistan only to be turned round when our Saiful Azam(Saif) had shot down couple of Israeli aircraft,1967. This task of protecting these royals eventually became a task of the Karachi Corps.

2. All these changed with the Americans launching the-so-called war on terror which Pakistani shave taken to be an American attack on Pakistan. The Arab Spring, US invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya - all supported by the oil royals but condemned by Pakistani masses, further jeopardized this project. The royals are now to be protected by IA's Southern Command,Pune.

3. Nawaz Sharif maintains intimate terms with the Saudi royals. The Americans have been beaten in Afghanistan. They are pulling out of the region. Pakistan will not like India taking over a role that is otherwise strategically important to her.

I cannot make head or tail of your comments.

It seems like mentally disturbed person went out on a tangent.

There is no relevance and you have twisted things where it appears you live in a make belief world of your own.