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Pakistan Army Major and Sepoy martyred in IED blast at Pak-Afghan border: ISPR

They dont care because it is not their kids on the front. They want to promote martydom but no protection for them. Sorry for my engles, it is a load of rubbish.
Everyone in the world is using our vehicles and why not Pak - instead they got hand me downs MaxProo. Really, come guys, there are thousands of surplus vehicles and consortiums now dealing in these. Instead of hilux death traps or quasi mine proof vehicles get the real deal. Casspir, buffels, mambas to name a few.
Americans learnt the hard way how humvees were death traps; then woke up and bought thousands and then brought over our engineers to design them their vehicles - oshkosh etc.

this very upsetting and disappointing , we have to make funds available for these fine vehicles , we need to minimize our human cost in this conflict , we are actually sending our soldiers on a suicide mission in these Hilux dumb pick up with no protection , and worse than that, there is no Armored vehicles with the convoys so our soldiers can have cover :(
 
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Few days ago I was discussing with @Signalian that we are criminally neglecting the protection of our soldiers , look that the ambush , FC has no cover and can't even hide in their cars .. No protection from even a SMG fire, Shame on our top level generals .
were the troops mounted or dismounted from vehicle ?
 
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@HRK @Signalian

Right, the total security situation of Pakistan is unacceptable since 2001, therefore I will write my recommendation to minimize IED planters (terrorists) and to confront the ambush attacks on our Forces. I will only focus on the role of Infantry and not Intelegencies failures or the law and order, the government of Pakistan does not have the absolute control of every human living, leaving, entering in Pakistan like China, USA or Germany, the best example is Gulalai Ismail escaped and will beat us in future who knows what she is planing,but these things were already discussed and spoken by @Signalian. I will write based on my training and lecture as Ex-Infantirist, observation of these war since 2001.

In 2015 and 2016 before operation Zarb-e-Azb started, we could observe that porous borders and sporadically build and manned post are continuously over runed and attacked, heavy casualties and deep penetration of enemy infiltration in our Citys was the result. The situation was out of control, in these days I did wrote already that we need manned heavy border Forts and tower with heavy weapons, that we have to fence the Border, I was criticized for that "Its too expensive, it's impossible, we don't have the manpower". ....but where is a will there is a way, now we have "Hamza Forts" and are Fencing the Border! So we found out a very old and medieval method, castles originated from the 9th and 10th centuries combined with arms is the way forward, our Forts are now equipped with Tanks, short-range Artillery, Mortars, 106mm recoilless guns, AA Guns, 12.7mm Aa Guns, Snipers and even Manpads..... But whats about the open land masses and mountains? We don't have the resources and technical capacity to watch and observe 24 hours every inch of the North and South Waziristan as @Signalian mentioned even UAV cant circle around 24 hours every square kilometre, MRAPS can save lives, but do not prevent the attacks, attack Helicopters cant take out IED planters, the root of the problem are humans, which have to make their ways in our Citys and lands. And this human infiltration can be fought in our case with human foot patrol Infantry.

From what I know, I did read and I have observed, Pakistan Army and FC have not a !!!---widespread and effective Long-range reconnaissance patrol network and system---- !!!


The Key Idea is to patrol large areas, forests and mountains, by foot Soldier Partys, which is more effective, because if the Infantry is attacked by an IED or an ambush, the risk and chance that whole Party or units get blown up in a vehicle are much lesser why?

- Infantry on foot can faster response to enemy fire or ambush because it's already dismounted, sitting 6 men in a truck have less reaction time, and can't use all their human observation senses effectively
- searching for cover will be faster
- Infantry on foot is stealthier than a pickup or truck because foot soldiers can camouflage themselves
- infantry on foot gives a minimize target profile (its easier to aim and fire on a big pick up than a single Soldier who is lying on the ground and will response the enemy fire in less than a minute, ..)
- Infantry on foot can locate the enemy fire faster and fire back
-causalities can be reduced, whole Party cant be blown up by IED because Infantry patrols in an intelligent way, not all soldiers will patrol on the same line and way, they will be spread over a line
- Infantry has the chance to confront suspects activities while patroling and maybe the chance to counter the enemy infiltration
- foot patroling Infantry must be given right and technical equipment to control and stop every citizen (so they can re-check the identity of the person with the home base or even NADRA...)
-advantage of foot patroling Infantry over check posts and truck/pick up/ vehicle patrols it's more mobile and can reach difficult terrains
- showing presence during a patrol in mountains and open lands, the forest is a message to the enemy that now every inch can be and will be observed
- chances that our infantry will meet enemy party gets higher and higher after patrol activities get implemented on large areas and systematically
-gathering of critical intelligence, enable or support a joint strike measure on call by nearby posts or accident-attack
- patrolling at night and in the daytime, and to provide documentation and analysis of gathered intelligence through reconnaissance



IED planting in open land, ambush in open land or Urban areas, cross Border attacks countered by foot patrol Infantry:

- a platoon 50 Soldiers, divided into 3 partys, 17 Soldiers in Alpha, 17 Soldiers in Bravo, 16 Soldiers in Charlie is tasked with patrolling a 100 km zone
- patrol areas will be well-known Border areas and inland zone, where attacks happened often
- every Party will patrol with a K-9 DOG which is specialized on snuffing IED and mines
- every Party of the Patrol must have the capacity to be independent of logistic supplies such as ration, medics, water, foood and shelter from main posts and base for more than 3 days
-every Party must be equipped with an IEA detector with a trained IED locker
- every Part must have a sniper
- every Party must have the capability to call close air support from Cobra Helicopters on the fastest way as possible
- every Party must have the option to call for airborne Heli reinforcement troops the fastest way as possible


Everyone should ask himself here why such an attack happen more and often in Pakistan than India, in my opinion, their Border fencings is not the main reason but the high presence of patrols, India has since the 1960s the
Special Frontier Force- long-range reconnaissance patrol or pathfinder and we? Please don't compare Long-range reconnaissance patrol with SSG...

Sir G, excellent idea, further they should also carry small drones which could be assembled when required and scan the area ahead or around patrolling party while moving. Such gadget will be worth for safeguarding the lives of our sons of the soil.
 
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such loss happens due to war in this region,few days ago u.s army soldiers also lost their lives when suicide bomb vehicles hit their convoy in afghanistan
Sir G, excellent idea, further they should also carry small drones which could be assembled when required and scan the area ahead or around patrolling party while moving. Such gadget will be worth for safeguarding the lives of our sons of the soil.
 
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Sir G, excellent idea, further they should also carry small drones which could be assembled when required and scan the area ahead or around patrolling party while moving. Such gadget will be worth for safeguarding the lives of our sons of the soil.
The Small drone idea is good but it has to be equipped with an IED detection device.

The enemy makes it deadlier for Pakistani troops by hiding IED's explosive device in a "pressure cooker" buried inside ground. This makes it harder to detect IED. As far as i have seen the report, i cant find it details (unless i missed something) if the troops were travelling in a vehicle or if they were dismounted and working on the fence.

Now the trend on PDF is that, troops unfortunately falling victim to IED's results in members jumping on MRAP bandwagon. Lets suppose if they were dismounted from the vehicle (even if it was an MRAP) and some troops patrolling on foot or standing as sentries around installation area while others installing the fence, how could have the MRAP saved them ?

The report mentions that the affected area was a major crossing for insurgents from across the border, therefore, it was essential that the mission profile should have been considered critical to work on this intersection. Enemy would not give up an important crossing easily. Enemy would devise ways to discourage PA and FC from venturing into this area. Secondly, placing IED in this area shows that this area may not have been monitored properly before. Enemy had ample time to bury that IED here and scamper off. A better monitoring system is required on Afghan border. Thirdly, IED's are remote controlled, which means enemy was monitoring Pakistani Troops from a certain distance and detonated the device when troops went closer to the location where it was buried. This is again not acceptable since the troops could have been in cross-hairs of a sniper also.


Even if more strength (extra troops) were sent in, the result might have been same. You have correctly pointed out that a M-UAV (Micro UAV) is essential for scanning and monitoring the are, but it also needs to have the proper gadget installed to detect and identify IED's.

This means that the troops installing the fence on Afghan Border need IED detectors. MCE (Military College of Engineering) Risalpur has to further research in IED detection and combine that research with aerial drones through teaming up with the college next door (College of Aeronautical Engineering) in Risalpur and both should join hands to come up with a solution.

However, if the troops were travelling in a vehicle and ambushed by an IED, then yes the debate vectors towards "MRAP acquisition"discussion.
 
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The Small drone idea is good but it has to be equipped with an IED detection device.

The enemy makes it deadlier for Pakistani troops by hiding IED's explosive device in a "pressure cooker" buried inside ground. This makes it harder to detect IED. As far as i have seen the report, i cant find it details (unless i missed something) if the troops were travelling in a vehicle or if they were dismounted and working on the fence.

Now the trend on PDF is that, troops unfortunately falling victim to IED's results in members jumping on MRAP bandwagon. Lets suppose if they were dismounted from the vehicle (even if it was an MRAP) and some troops patrolling on foot or standing as sentries around installation area while others installing the fence, how could have the MRAP saved them ?

The report mentions that the affected area was a major crossing for insurgents from across the border, therefore, it was essential that the mission profile should have been considered critical to work on this intersection. Enemy would not give up an important crossing easily. Enemy would devise ways to discourage PA and FC from venturing into this area. Secondly, placing IED in this area shows that this area may not have been monitored properly before. Enemy had ample time to bury that IED here and scamper off. A better monitoring system is required on Afghan border. Thirdly, IED's are remote controlled, which means enemy was monitoring Pakistani Troops from a certain distance and detonated the device when troops went closer to the location where it was buried. This is again not acceptable since the troops could have been in cross-hairs of a sniper also.


Even if more strength (extra troops) were sent in, the result might have been same. You have correctly pointed out that a M-UAV (Micro UAV) is essential for scanning and monitoring the are, but it also needs to have the proper gadget installed to detect and identify IED's.

This means that the troops installing the fence on Afghan Border need IED detectors. MCE (Military College of Engineering) Risalpur has to further research in IED detection and combine that research with aerial drones through teaming up with the college next door (College of Aeronautical Engineering) in Risalpur and both should join hands to come up with a solution.

However, if the troops were travelling in a vehicle and ambushed by an IED, then yes the debate vectors towards "MRAP acquisition"discussion.

Then we should send LRPS in hot zones before we send a construction team, we should also cross the Afghan Border 1-3 Km to gathering information and reconnaissance on enemy footprints with the right equipment to detect an IED ambush or any enemy movement or sign!







Special Forces LRRPs Vietnam Military

Sri Lanka LRP (LRRP)

 
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isn't that ambush video of BLA different to this topic of IED Blast ? That video is not of the topic IED Blast.

it is but i was talking about the Ambush on FC shown in Video, It was very painful to see our soldiers falling one after another and they have no cover at all .
 
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it is but i was talking about the Ambush on FC shown in Video, It was very painful to see our soldiers falling one after another and they have no cover at all .
I replied to you regarding the the IED Blast topic, not the video.

@Inception-06 should have opened a new topic i guess, or posted in an ambush related or BLA related thread.

That video was posted in June 2019. BLA channels have been posting the videos in the past but the situation has improved in Baluchistan, it was worse before. Is there a news report or web link of June 2019 that matches with that video ? If not then its an old video since i have seen similar older videos posted by BLA on you tube.

If the video is truly as recent as June 2019 then its a real shame.
 
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I replied to you regarding the the IED Blast topic, not the video.

@Inception-06 should have opened a new topic i guess, or posted in an ambush related or BLA related thread.

That video was posted in June 2019. BLA channels have been posting the videos in the past but the situation has improved in Baluchistan, it was worse before. Is there a news report or web link of June 2019 that matches with that video ? If not then its an old video since i have seen similar older videos posted by BLA on you tube.

If the video is truly as recent as June 2019 then its a real shame.

I hope what you are saying is true, but the video can not be that old, you can tell from the FC uniform ..
Why do you think we are still facing this Ambush/IED threat ?
 
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I hope what you are saying is true, but the video can not be that old, you can tell from the FC uniform ..
Why do you think we are still facing this Ambush/IED threat ?
Locations are different. One is Afghan Border and the other is Baluchistan. Situation is different in both.

This "wall" on durand line is a pain for all enemies of Pakistan. After the wall stands up and is manned by troops, the infiltration into Pakistan from Afghanistan will be reduced considerably. That will affect the supply of weapon, cash, illegal items and explosive material inside cities of Pakistan.

Pakistan is facing the threat of IED and ambushes because of wrong policies at Government level, Internal enemies/traitors, active external enemies, weak diplomatic stance and economic situation affecting funding to many institutions. Cost to build wall, cost to equip troops, cost to raise formations, cost to recruit and deploy agents. Cost to buy all types o weaponry. Its a 550,000 standing army, calculate the cost of 8-troop carrier MRAP for this size of army. Even if you put figure at 120,000 (PA + FC) on western border you need 15,000 MRAPs. One type of weapon is not enough for this war. Drones, Gunships, Artillery, Mortars, IED detectors, Mine Detectors etc are required just for the western border. Calculate the length of the western border where the wall has to be built. There will be construction of posts, towers or bunkers there also. New infrastructure such as barracks, medical rooms, helipads, Motor transport depots etc will be set up. All this will be interlinked because the enemy conducts successful attacks by cutting of posts and isolating them.

Had FATA and Baluchistan border with Afghanistan been secured in 1980's or before, we might not be witnessing such attacks today.
 
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