Featured Pakistan and Oman have signed MOU in the field of Military Cooperation - Radio Pakistan .

[Wilhelm II]

Pakiatani majority respect Saudia Arabia then any other country in the world (except our shia beothers) and most of us will even sacrifice life for protecting makkah and madinah.
However there are some conditions attached.

1. We have seen alot of wars and dont want to be part of persian arab war or sunni shia war unless iran directly attack Saudia or any other arab state. In short we dont wanna support any agressor.

2. We dont support arab recent soft instance towards israel.

3. We dont want be part of struggle of dominance between iran and ksa and want to have good relationship with both. We will never support iran against ksa but it does not mean that we will hurt iran for ksa unless there is a direct confrontation between both countries and iran is agressor.

4. Ksa prefer India over our us and is actively damaging kashmir cause. Do u jave any answer or justification of that behaviour?

At the Kashmir issue I support Pakistan Kashmir majority are Muslims so between Hindu and Muslim countries it's absolutely clear Kashmir must be Pakistan like karabakh I think must be Armenia but but you said Pakistan like to be neutral between Iran and Saudi so why we must choose between India and Pakistan?
Why we must help countries that they want be neutral? as a Muslim country we will help Pakistan like before I know Pakistanis want peace every normal people want peace people just want have good life with good job who like hell of war
But policy is policy we can choose our friends if India have benefits mor than Pakistan why not?

 

[RoadRunner401]

If there are not benefits for us why we should support grow up

So, why are you upset with Pakistan, when we Pakistanis are saying the same, if it doesn't benefit Pakistan, why should we care.

1. We have seen alot of wars and dont want to be part of persian arab war or sunni shia war unless iran directly attack Saudia or any other arab state. In short we dont wanna support any agressor.

You don't speak for Pakistan

(except our shia beothers)

Right back at ya my Wahhabi be-other openly extremist Think Tanked first for PDF...

 

[Wilhelm II]

So, why are you upset with Pakistan, when we Pakistanis are saying the same, if it doesn't benefit Pakistan, why should we care

Correct your country your benefits our country our benefits so we can work with Pakistan by benefits limits and you too
We can't support anyone unlimited forever you too
You know and see that religion is not base of relationships even in Muslim world even in Pakistan and turkey
I'm upset of members hates on arab

 

[RoadRunner401]

Correct your country your benefits our country our benefits so we can work with Pakistan by benefits limits and you too
We can't support anyone unlimited forever you too
You know and see that religion is not base of relationships even in Muslim world even in Pakistan and turkey
I'm upset of members hates on arab

We aren't anti Arabs, we are against the Pakistan state policies that are Anti Pakistan pro Arab, Problem you are not understanding is Some I literate Idiots in Pakistan think that we must support Arabs regardless of the consequences and the only way they can go to heaven is the unconditional support of Arabs Nations.

 

[Max]

Correct your country your benefits our country our benefits so we can work with Pakistan by benefits limits and you too
We can't support anyone unlimited forever you too
You know and see that religion is not base of relationships even in Muslim world even in Pakistan and turkey
I'm upset of members hates on arab

You get what you deserve hate or love, Pakistani are not bound to love or hate anyone permanently, even today many Pakistani people are praising Kuwaitis for boycotting France.. but anways you dont have to worry about Pakistan as we are not a relevent player in your region, our only enemy is India.

I agree, Every nation must follow its own interests, i personally want Pakistan to be among major economies as soon as possibe, if it were for me, i would Freez spending on defence and privitize loss making govt cooperations like railways and Power sector to promote trade for few years in order to achive fast growth as we have enough firepower in our arsenal to wipe out our enemy india already.

 

[The Accountant]

At the Kashmir issue I support Pakistan Kashmir majority are Muslims so between Hindu and Muslim countries it's absolutely clear Kashmir must be Pakistan like karabakh I think must be Armenia but but you said Pakistan like to be neutral between Iran and Saudi so why we must choose between India and Pakistan?
Why we must help countries that they want be neutral? as a Muslim country we will help Pakistan like before I know Pakistanis want peace every normal people want peace people just want have good life with good job who like hell of war
But policy is policy we can choose our friends if India have benefits mor than Pakistan why not?

Because of rules told us by islam. In Pakistan india case india is agressor occupying muslim land.

Dont u feel ashamed when comparing an aggressor and hindu with weak and muslim ?

In case of iran and saudia both are fighting for influence and not for survival. Plus this is between one muslim brother and another. No matter what my sect is but i have no authority to declare my sect muslim and other sect as kafir.

In case of iran and saudia both are my brothers. How can i support one brother in killing another brother. However if one brother attack other u will find us protecting ksa due to our unparallel love for the holy coties and its protector. However we will not support any expansionist agenda of even ksa against any muslim brother.

If u want to equate blood of muslim with a hindu then u should look inside yourself regarding strength of your belief and faith.

Pakistani are chosing impartialisim for saving muslim blood and not for money.

Dont u remember in arab israel war our uniformed peopled jooned u unofficially and we are willing to do the same but not against any other muslim brother.

We want muslim peace jnity and brotherhood.

This secterian divide is making us and islam weaker and weaker. Cant u see that?

So, why are you upset with Pakistan, when we Pakistanis are saying the same, if it doesn't benefit Pakistan, why should we care.



You don't speak for Pakistan



Right back at ya my Wahhabi be-other openly extremist Think Tanked first for PDF...

Extremist. Are u insane ? I am not shia. However, i consider everyone as muslim brother who falls in definition of muslim as per Quran. If this is extremist than Allah give you hidayat.

And as a Pakistani i have all the right to speak for Pakistan

So, why are you upset with Pakistan, when we Pakistanis are saying the same, if it doesn't benefit Pakistan, why should we care.



You don't speak for Pakistan



Right back at ya my Wahhabi be-other openly extremist Think Tanked first for PDF...

Extremist. Are u insane ? I am not shia. However, i consider everyone as muslim brother who falls in definition of muslim as per Quran. If this is extremist than Allah give you hidayat.

And as a Pakistani i have all the right to speak for Pakistan

 

[Wilhelm II]

Because of rules told us by islam. In Pakistan india case india is agressor occupying muslim land.

Dont u feel ashamed when comparing an aggressor and hindu with weak and muslim ?

In case of iran and saudia both are fighting for influence and not for survival. Plus this is between one muslim brother and another. No matter what my sect is but i have no authority to declare my sect muslim and other sect as kafir.

In case of iran and saudia both are my brothers. How can i support one brother in killing another brother. However if one brother attack other u will find us protecting ksa due to our unparallel love for the holy coties and its protector. However we will not support any expansionist agenda of even ksa against any muslim brother.

If u want to equate blood of muslim with a hindu then u should look inside yourself regarding strength of your belief and faith.

Pakistani are chosing impartialisim for saving muslim blood and not for money.

Dont u remember in arab israel war our uniformed peopled jooned u unofficially and we are willing to do the same but not against any other muslim brother.

We want muslim peace jnity and brotherhood.

This secterian divide is making us and islam weaker and weaker. Cant u see that?

Extremist. Are u insane ? I am not shia. However, i consider everyone as muslim brother who falls in definition of muslim as per Quran. If this is extremist than Allah give you hidayat.

And as a Pakistani i have all the right to speak for Pakistan

Extremist. Are u insane ? I am not shia. However, i consider everyone as muslim brother who falls in definition of muslim as per Quran. If this is extremist than Allah give you hidayat.

And as a Pakistani i have all the right to speak for Pakistan

Thanks a lot for fighting with us against Israel
which government work by real islamic laws?
I'm not religious and I prefer a secular country with freedom for religions
Who can say I'm a real Muslim and others are in wrong path we just try but after death we can know heaven is waiting us or hell

 

[The Accountant]

Thanks a lot for fighting with us against Israel
which government work by real islamic laws?
I'm not religious and I prefer a secular country with freedom for religions
Who can say I'm a real Muslim and others are in wrong path we just try but after death we can know heaven is waiting us or hell

Agreed on last statement. Only Allah can tell who is in heaven and who is in hell.

I am a proud muslim and want to live in a country governed by islamic laws.

 

[Cookie Monster]

He said it himself, he is not religious.

Worldview is completely different from the other few he has been talking to in this thread.

Which is the problem in a nutshell.

Lack of a religiously grounded basis of things has caused all this non cooperation/infighting we see amongst muslim majority nations. (This applies to ALL ethnicities)

It's a damn shame.

"Muslim Nations" have started putting their economic interests first...which is fine to an extent...
...but when it means abandoning ur allies, other fellow Muslims in plight, foregoing morality and Islam...all in the name of economic interest...that's a bit too far...that's where it just becomes a cut throat business.

A recent example is the continued lack of action of OIC over Kashmir...even when the ppl were under severe lockdown and pellets were being fired at them. Meanwhile Modi was being given medals. That kind of an economic interest prioritization is a bit too far. In that sense there are no allies...the highest bidder gets to have more countries on its side.

 

[The SC]

At the Kashmir issue I support Pakistan Kashmir majority are Muslims so between Hindu and Muslim countries it's absolutely clear Kashmir must be Pakistan like karabakh I think must be Armenia but but you said Pakistan like to be neutral between Iran and Saudi so why we must choose between India and Pakistan?
Why we must help countries that they want be neutral? as a Muslim country we will help Pakistan like before I know Pakistanis want peace every normal people want peace people just want have good life with good job who like hell of war
But policy is policy we can choose our friends if India have benefits mor than Pakistan why not?

Well..there is a fine line to walk in there.. India has even more Muslims than Pakistan..and it never comes first before Pakistan for Arabs..So there is supporting Pakistan in a full war that will destroy its economy and halt any advancement projects for decades or trying to avoid that war by all means.. As KSA itself is doing everything to avoid war with Iran despite very clear provocations..

 

[Avicenna]

"Muslim Nations" have started putting their economic interests first...which is fine to an extent...
...but when it means abandoning ur allies, other fellow Muslims in plight, foregoing morality and Islam...all in the name of economic interest...that's a bit too far...that's where it just becomes a cut throat business.

A recent example is the continued lack of action of OIC over Kashmir...even when the ppl were under severe lockdown and pellets were being fired at them. Meanwhile Modi was being given medals. That kind of an economic interest prioritization is a bit too far. In that sense there are no allies...the highest bidder gets to have more countries on its side.

You can extrapolate this behavior to individuals in their personal lives.

Nation states seem to be behaving in similar ways.

It is interesting to revisit what our religious tradition admonishes us regarding this very thing time and time again.

And then we wonder why things are the way they are.......

Getting back to specifics in the geopolitical.....

Can you imagine a world in which the predominant "muslim majority" nations actually cooperated with each other?

Say Egypt and Turkey, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Iran, etc.

What manpower and resources do these nations not have?

What is the reality however?

Syria...Iraq...Yemen....Libya.....

That's what happens when other priorities are emphasized, be it economic, political or ideological.

Eventually you lose.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You can extrapolate this behavior to individuals in their personal lives.

Nation states seem to be behaving in similar ways.

It is interesting to revisit what our religious tradition admonishes us regarding this very thing time and time again.

And then we wonder why things are the way they are.......

Getting back to specifics in the geopolitical.....

Can you imagine a world in which the predominant "muslim majority" nations actually cooperated with each other?

Say Egypt and Turkey, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Iran, etc.

What manpower and resources do these nations not have?

What is the reality however?

Syria...Iraq...Yemen....Libya.....

That's what happens when other priorities are emphasized, be it economic, political or ideological.

Eventually you lose.

If we acted together as one on the world stage...we would be be almost a superpower(in terms of influence and economy) right from the start. Using Kashmir lockdown and Rohingya Muslims as the recent examples of Muslims in other countries...
...just the threat of an economic boycott and sending their labor back would have made India listen to every demand...otherwise they would have to suffer immensely on the economic front. Other methods could be banning export of petroleum products to India...forcing them to go to Russia, US and other countries that would cost more. The same kind of economic pressure could have been applied on Myanmar...and if that didn't work then on China(to force it apply pressure on Myanmar). China has great economic relations and trade with the arab countries and is one of the largest importers of petroleum products.

At the home front...like Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Libya...that too could be easily avoided with a NATO like military cooperation. Keep outsiders away from intervening militarily with the threat of economic sanctions to outright war(with the NATO like military of Muslim countries). Hence no such destabilization and chaos would be allowed to occur.

...but as the saying goes...if wishes were horses beggars would ride. We can only dream and wish for such things. The reality is as Iqbal captured beautifully in his "Jawab-e-Shiqwa" long ago...
"Your style of living is Christian, your culture that of the Hindu;
A Jew would be ashamed if he saw Muslims such as you.

You are Saiyyads as well as Mirzas, and you are Afghans
You are all these, but tell Us are you also Mussalmans?"

Especially that last one above...we are all divided in our ethnicities, tribes, etc. Arabs fighting for Arab influence, Persians countering that for their own supremacy, Turks also throwing down in this race, and so on and so forth. Iqbal noticed it then...and this has been the case for hundreds of years prior to that.

 

[Avicenna]

If we acted together as one on the world stage...we would be be almost a superpower(in terms of influence and economy) right from the start. Using Kashmir lockdown and Rohingya Muslims as the recent examples of Muslims in other countries...
...just the threat of an economic boycott and sending their labor back would have made India listen to every demand...otherwise they would have to suffer immensely on the economic front. Other methods could be banning export of petroleum products to India...forcing them to go to Russia, US and other countries that would cost more.

At the home front...like Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Libya...that too could be easily avoided with a NATO like military cooperation. Keep outsiders away from intervening militarily with the threat of economic sanctions to outright war(with the NATO like military of Muslim countries). Hence no such destabilization and chaos would be allowed to occur.

...but as the saying goes...if wishes were horses beggars would ride. We can only dream and wish for such things. The reality is as Iqbal captured beautifully in his "Jawab-e-Shiqwa" long ago...
"Your style of living is Christian, your culture that of the Hindu;
A Jew would be ashamed if he saw Muslims such as you.

You are Saiyyads as well as Mirzas, and you are Afghans
You are all these, but tell Us are you also Mussalmans?"

Especially that last one above...we are all divided in our ethnicities, tribes, etc. Arabs fighting for Arab influence, Persians countering that for their own supremacy, Turks also throwing down in this race, and so on and so forth. Iqbal noticed it then...and this has been the case for hundreds of years prior to that.

Yup.

We already know where this is going and in fact can see it happening with the news everyday.

The only thing we can do is be aware and try to be on the right side of things.

Meaningless as individuals with no power but apart from that there is not much else that can be done.

Which is why I give credit to Imran Khan.

At least from the surface to a layman it seems like he is well intentioned.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Yup.

We already know where this is going and in fact can see it happening with the news everyday.

The only thing we can do is be aware and try to be on the right side of things.

Meaningless as individuals with no power but apart from that there is not much else that can be done.

Which is why I give credit to Imran Khan.

At least from the surface to a layman it seems like he is well intentioned.

He is well intentioned but at the international level due to the Muslim World's own lack of focus...he is unable to get any kind of momentum going towards anything significant.

Internally I can see that he is well intentioned too...but he is bogged down by the rot that has deeply entrenched itself in every aspect of the Pakistani society. He tries to fix taxes...and we see things like traders protesting the hikes in taxes as unfair...even though most likely they have not paid their fair share of taxes in a while due to well placed bribes.

Additionally he has corrupt idiots that jumped ship from other parties and joined PTI...a move that I was against...he shouldn't have gotten impatient and let them in for their vote bank. Since he can't run the country alone...having such corrupt ppl run it with him means that they will try their corrupt ways. When the whole artificial price raises came about for wheat, sugar, etc...some of the ppl involved in the sugar mafia...were either part of PTI or supported PTI. This also makes him look bad.

Last but not least...he depreciated rupee value...which is a good move in general to reduce imports and increase exports...but it also causes inflation...which inadvertently means inflation of food prices. For the average person...that also doesn't seem like a positive thing in favor of PTI/IK.

So while he is trying to fix things...the progress is slow...and on some fronts he is being held back by the rest of the incompetent idiots. I hope he can get reelected and gets a faster momentum going regarding economic reforms bcuz Pakistan is barely hanging on by a thread under the weight of all the loans...anymore looting from the likes of Zardari...and Pakistan would go bankrupt.

So while Muslim countries seem unable to cooperate...maybe it's enough if they internally became strong. Not ideal...but what else is there?
It was good to hear that BD is doing well economically...but IMO the news that BD openly announced of not picking sides and sitting out the global realignment...was a bit disappointing. It should be that BD end up being neutral in the big of scheme of things...but while it has a chance...it should've tried to play a balanced game with each side to build up its armed forces. In any case...I wish all the best to BD...and hope Pakistan and other such poor countries can learn and follow the path of economic prosperity.

 

[Avicenna]

He is well intentioned but at the international level due to the Muslim World's own lack of focus...he is unable to get any kind of momentum going towards anything significant.

Internally I can see that he is well intentioned too...but he is bogged down by the rot that has deeply entrenched itself in every aspect of the Pakistani society. He tries to fix taxes...and we see things like traders protesting the hikes in taxes as unfair...even though most likely they have not paid their fair share of taxes in a while due to well placed bribes.

Additionally he has corrupt idiots that jumped ship from other parties and joined PTI...a move that I was against...he shouldn't have gotten impatient and let them in for their vote bank. Since he can't run the country alone...having such corrupt ppl run it with him means that they will try their corrupt ways. When the whole artificial price raises came about for wheat, sugar, etc...some of the ppl involved in the sugar mafia...were either part of PTI or supported PTI. This also makes him look bad.

Last but not least...he depreciated rupee value...which is a good move in general to reduce imports and increase exports...but it also causes inflation...which inadvertently means inflation of food prices. For the average person...that also doesn't seem like a positive thing in favor of PTI/IK.

So while he is trying to fix things...the progress is slow...and on some fronts he is being held back by the rest of the incompetent idiots. I hope he can get reelected and gets a faster momentum going regarding economic reforms bcuz Pakistan is barely hanging on by a thread under the weight of all the loans...anymore looting from the likes of Zardari...and Pakistan would go bankrupt.

So while Muslim countries seem unable to cooperate...maybe it's enough if they internally became strong. Not ideal...but what else is there?
It was good to hear that BD is doing well economically...but IMO the news that BD openly announced of not picking sides and sitting out the global realignment...was a bit disappointing. It should be that BD end up being neutral in the big of scheme of things...but while it has a chance...it should've tried to play a balanced game with each side to build up its armed forces. In any case...I wish all the best to BD...and hope Pakistan and other such poor countries can learn and follow the path of economic prosperity.

I agree with your take above.

In regards to Bangladesh....I have no idea WTH they are doing there.

Credit where credit is due but at the same time disappointed in many ways.

Their foreign policy is atrocious.

"Friendship to all and malice to none" works if you are a Care Bear.

Not a nation of 160 million surrounded by 2 countries who have elements who are hostile towards you and the sea.