Pakistan And India-Water Disputes-News And Updates

[Areesh]

What has being in 1816 or 2016 anything to do with it ?

India has already DECIDED to suspend the Indus Water commission. Even the Dawn has reported it.

It means the IWT is dead for all practical purpose. There is nothing you can do about it. Its as simple as that. Where is the scope for confusion ?

It means that anyone can judge and decide how much water you are stopping and how much is the flow. There is latest equipment and calculations to judge that.

India can even decide that the earth is flat. Nobody would believe in it.

IWT is alive and would stay alive. Whether you like it or not this is the fact.

 

[Avaraniya]

It means that anyone can judge and decide how much water you are stopping and how much is the flow. There is latest equipment and calculations to judge that.

India can even decide that the earth is flat. Nobody would believe in it.

IWT is alive and would stay alive. Whether you like it or not this is the fact.

You can judge all you want. We will just not agree with your findings and your judgement

You are free to decide that the water level has dropped and India is responsible, we will completely deny it. Its just your word against ours.

IWT is alive on paper, the mechanism that implements it is dead. That mechanism was called the Indus water commission. This is true weather you like it or not.

 

[!eon]

I wonder what you call the mega structures called dam's standing tall in kashmir and transferring water ? Barks?

And we are building more.

India didn't talked of the revoking. What is said was that treaty was unfair towards India and India has the right to explore legal options and ask for a review.

I have written a detailed paper on it and I know it inn and out

So anyway we are on edge due to lack of skilled people who can won over IWT issue

It is quite unfair if you discount other factors. 80% of water is allocated to Pakistan. India, at that agreed to the treaty, because unlike in India that has many rivers, Pakistan is heavily dependent on Indus. The negotiations took 10 years

Issue which would be raised and was raised earlier also, Pakistan is dumping thousands of cusec water into Arabian Sea.
That would be considered surplus in international law. India has full right to use this water rather than Pakistan's wasting it in sea.
Pakistanis have to use this water if they don't want India to use it. Pakistan can't say we will use it but has to use it now. Otherwise it's perfectly legal for India to get that water. And here Modi fan boys are jumping that they have taken legal water of Pakistan by force.

As for the rivers, they only start from Kashmir but water is added in enough quantity from Pakistani Kashimir and Northeren areas and even up to Margalla hills.

 

[Areesh]

You can judge all you want. We will just not agree with your findings and your judgement

You are free to decide that the water level has dropped and India is responsible, we will completely deny it. Its just your word against ours.

IWT is alive on paper, the mechanism that implements it is dead. That mechanism was called the Indus water commission. This is true weather you like it or not.

Our judgements would be backed by facts and proofs and whole world would accept.

As for the commission. Modi government has done a lot of similar dramas in past 2 years and have come back to their auqat in a few weeks or months.

Same would happen too in the case of Indus water commission too. It would be solved within a few weeks.

 

[Avaraniya]

No need to scrap the treaty. Few more dams on Jhelum and Chenab will do the trick. After all 3.6 Mill acre foot water can be stored for use in Kashmir.

The treaty has already died a quite death, they just have not realised yet. And there is no need to tell them either.

As for this silly matter of weather India can or can not unilaterally revoke the treaty, it is the same as asking can a spouse unilaterally seek a divorce ? The simple answer is YES.

 

[cerberus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kishanganga_Hydroelectric_Plant

 

[Avaraniya]

Our judgements would be backed by facts and proofs and whole world would accept.

As for the commission. Modi government has done a lot of similar dramas in past 2 years and have come back to their auqat in a few weeks or months.

Same would happen too in the case of Indus water commission too. It would be solved within a few weeks.

You mean the same way the whole world accepts you sponsor terrorists ?

What is your word worth ? have you ever wondered about that ?

India will provide all the facts and proof that pakistan is lying and that the water shortfall is due to "global warming". As I said, it will just be your words against ours.

I am glad you have accepted that the Modi govt. HAS acted, now you are claiming that it will "climb down". That is a matter of speculation, my personal opinion is that if and when pakistan offers surrender and demonstrates actions that end terrorism, THEN Modi govt. will climb down.

You are free to "hope" that the IWT commission will be brought back to life. Lets wait and watch, shall we ? I am going to bet that its not.

 

[!eon]

After surgical attacks inside Pakistan and No Russian forces coming to Pakistan for excercise, Modi has given you people a new lolly pop, now keep playing with it for few days.

India kare na kare tu amb lene aa

 

[Areesh]

You mean the same way the whole world accepts you sponsor terrorists ?

What is your word worth ? have you ever wondered about that ?

India will provide all the facts and proof that pakistan is lying and that the water shortfall is due to global warming. As I said, it will just be your words against ours.

I am glad you have accepted that the Modi govt. HAS acted, now you are claming that it will "climb down". That is a matter of speculation, my personal opinion is that if and when pakistan offers surrender and demonstrates actions that end terrorism, THEN Modi govt. will climb down.

You are free to "hope" that the IWT commission will be brought back to life. Lets wait and watch, shall we ? I am going to bet that its not.

not exactly. It won't be words against words. It would be facts versus facts. And it would be just a matter of time before lies from any side would be exposed.

I have not accepted anything. I said it is a new drama to save face in front of Indian population. It is a new tactic that is not practical but enough to save face in front of Indian population who are angry due to Modi's false promises of acting tough against Pakistan.

Modi would climb down when Uri attack issue would die down. And even it doesn't die down it can't stop Pakistan's water. It can't block Pakistan's water and Pakistan would get it no matter how. Keep beveling in false dreams of your PM. In the end it would be you who would get disappointment just like you got in cases of surgical strikes and war against Pakistan.

 

[Avaraniya]

not exactly. It won't be words against words. It would be facts versus facts. And it would be just a matter of time before lies from any side would be exposed.

I have not accepted anything. I said it is a new drama to save face in front of Indian population. It is a new tactic that is not practical but enough to save face in front of Indian population who are angry due to Modi's false promises of acting tough against Pakistan.

Modi would climb down when Uri attack issue would die down. And even it doesn't die down it can't stop Pakistan's water. It can't block Pakistan's water and Pakistan would get it no matter how. Keep beveling in false dreams of your PM. In the end it would be you who would get disappointment just like you got in cases of surgical strikes and war against Pakistan.

1. Facts vs Facts in front of whom ?

Without the IW commission you will not even HAVE the full facts.

You will ONLY have data from YOUR side. That is only HALF the story.

The other half of the story HAS to come from India and that story will talk about "global warming". The ONLY way to confirm the Indian story is via the Indus Water commission. So without that, whatever India says IS the truth unless proven otherwise. (this cannot be proven, in case you still have not got it)

2. The new tactic is ALREADY being practised since the DECISION has already been taken. So that negates your theory that its "not practical". Practical is what we Practice, is it not ?


3. Modi climbing down is an ADMISSION that he HAS climbed UP. This Negates your earlier post that Modi has not taken any action.

4. Finally, despite your bravado, the ruling establishment in pakistan is well aware of the impact of a reduction in Indus water. So my bet is you will see them come crawling to India seeking a "resumption of talks". You want to bet ?

 

[ito]

All water of Jammu and Kashmir has been used for development of India and Not J&K.

It is surprising that in spite of you writing a paper on IWT, you know very little about IWT.

Also it is very surprising that Pakistanis accuse Indians of HR violations and depriving development in Jammu and Kashmir. You cannot be further from the truth.

 

[Areesh]

1. Facts vs Facts in front of whom ?

Without the IW commission you will not even HAVE the full facts.

You will ONLY have data from YOUR side. That is only HALF the story.

The other half of the story HAS to come from India and that story will talk about "global warming". The ONLY way to confirm the Indian story is via the Indus Water commission. So without that, whatever India says IS the truth unless proven otherwise.

2. The new tactic is ALREADY being practised since the DECISION has already been taken. So that negates your theory that its "not practical". Practical is what we Practice, is it not ?


3. Modi climbing down is an ADMISSION that he HAS climbed UP. This Negates your earlier post that Modi has not taken any action.

4. Finally, despite your bravado, the ruling establishment in pakistan is well aware of the impact of a reduction in Indus water. So my bet is you will see them come crawling to India seeking a "resumption of talks". You want to bet ?

1. Facts vs Facts in front of whom ?

In front of third party ie World Bank who brokered this deal. If that doesn't work it would be taken to International Court of Justice. If that doesn't work it would be UN security council. If that doesn't work it would be finally military action and we would get our waster for sure.

2. The new tactic is ALREADY being practised since the DECISION has already been taken. So that negates your theory that its "not practical". Practical is what we Practice, is it not ?

It is just a new drama. Just like Modi was spending times in war room with 3 services chiefs. What heppened? Nothing. Same would happen with this drama too.

3. Modi climbing down is an ADMISSION that he HAS climbed UP. This Negates your earlier post that Modi has not taken any action.

Modi is doing this climbing up and down since past few years. In the end we would get what we are supposed to.

4. Finally, despite your bravado, the ruling establishment in pakistan is well aware of the impact of a reduction in Indus water. So my bet is you will see them come crawling to India seeking a "resumption of talks". You want to bet ?

There is no bravado. Even my security establishment knows that you can't stop our water. Or in case if some how magically you somehow do that we know what we have to do.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

You are free to have your opinion, don't really care one way or the other.

its opinion which will easily turn into action. by the way how are you planning to compensate pakistan after blocking water. you know you would have to give us money after international court rulings on your action.

IOK is part of India, for all intent and purpose. If you don't apply mutual trust, then India doesn't even need to respect the treaty. Seriously, before typing understand what the situation is on the ground. Not what you feel or wish.

Your belief on your army is admirable.

first IOK is a disputed terrritory and india took the case to UNO not pakistan. secondly you can't break this treaty with guarantor like world bank. mutual respect and trust should be mutual. it was unfortunate that your government with out any prove is increasing hostilities.

pakistan army is a professional army and half the size of your army with 1/5 of time smaller country to protect. we got the nation of illegal weapons and best shooter civilians. only soviet and US understands this logic after they had seen in afghanistan. your army can't leave your hostile border with china but we can leave any border without forces as we had done previously.

 

[MKC]

Most of Brahmaputra water has origin in India & only a fraction of that is used by India due to too much raining in that region.

 

[Avaraniya]

In front of third party ie World Bank who brokered this deal. If that doesn't work it would be taken to International Court of Justice. If that doesn't work it would be UN security council. If that doesn't work it would be finally military action and we would get our waster for sure.

International court of Justice has NO Jurisdiction over Indian policy matters. Did you know this ?

Similarly the UN security council has No jurisdiction over any bilateral treaty. Did you know that ?

I encourage you to try your military option. I welcome it. India welcomes it.

It is just a new drama. Just like Modi was spending times in war room with 3 services chiefs. What heppened? Nothing. Same would happen with this drama too.

You just saw what happened. IWT just died a quite death.

Modi is doing this climbing up and down since past few years. In the end we would get what we are supposed to.

Well now you have admitted he IS doing something. I am glad you have hopes on Modi that he will deliver for you. Maybe you should put your hope on NS rather than Modi. But that is just my advice.

Modi's job is to deliver for India, so from where I stand, you WILL get what you are supposed to get. ....... I just don't think you are going to be too happy about it.

There is no bravado. Even my security establishment knows that you can't stop our water. Or in case if some how magically you somehow do that we know what we have to do.

So what you are saying that the whole IWT is useless since we anyway cannot stop your water.

Then I think you should publicly tear up the treaty and show us. I guess that will put us in our place. How does that sound ?