Pakistan Air Force To Gain Superiority Over Indian Air Force

[deckingraj]

intentional leaks to cause fear and get bigger defence budget.

ummmm had it been Army i might have gone with you..but as far as AF is concerned then i doubt...There plan and funding is already in place..There is no more ventures that IAF wants it hands on for which they need to create this fear...though i would love to be corrected...

 

[pakfoj]

Indian media is funny.... They like to curse India and bend over to Pakistan... Go Indian MEDIA!!!!!

well said bro!! i must say Indian media is the most idiotic media on this planet. they over exaggerate EVERYTHING.. And the language they use is a billion miles away from formal!

 

[arp2041]

As per the nos. PAF has:

Mirage III - 75 in nos. (2nd gen)
Mirage 5 - 82 in nos. (2nd gen)
F-7 - 186 in nos.(Chinese version of mig-21) - (2nd gen)

Total - 343, 2nd or upgraded to 3rd gen planes

plus

F-16 - 42 (4th gen)
JF-17 - 63 (4th gen)

Total - 105, 4th gen planes

On the other hand IAF has:

Su-30mki - 165+ (4.5 gen)
Mig-29 - 67 (4 gen)
mirage2000s - 49 (4 gen)

Total - 281, 4-4.5 gen planes

Mig 27 - 120 (3rd gen)
Jaguar - 128 (3rd gen)

Total - 248, 3rd gen planes

plus mig-21s - 250 ( 2nd or 3rd gen)

(please correct me if wrong)

IAF is superior both in nos. & tech. so how the hell is it loosing superiority to the PAF??????????

 

[Edevelop]

As per the nos. PAF has:

Mirage III - 75 in nos. (2nd gen)
Mirage 5 - 82 in nos. (2nd gen)
F-7 - 186 in nos.(Chinese version of mig-21) - (2nd gen)

Total - 343, 2nd or upgraded to 3rd gen planes

plus

F-16 - 42 (4th gen)
JF-17 - 63 (4th gen)

Total - 105, 4th gen planes

On the other hand IAF has:

Su-30mki - 165+ (4.5 gen)
Mig-29 - 67 (4 gen)
mirage2000s - 49 (4 gen)

Total - 281, 4-4.5 gen planes

Mig 27 - 120 (3rd gen)
Jaguar - 128 (3rd gen)

Total - 248, 3rd gen planes

plus mig-21s - 250 ( 2nd or 3rd gen)

(please correct me if wrong)

IAF is superior both in nos. & tech. so how the hell is it loosing superiority to the PAF??????????

Correction:

75 Mirage III are 2 Gen
82 Mirage V are 3 Gen
186 F-7P+PG are 3/3.5 Gen

Total - 343 2/3/3.5 Gen

Correction:

63-70 F-16 (Block 40 +Block 52 = 4/4.5 Gen
50 JF-17 (Block 1) = 4 Gen

Total = 113-120 4/4.5 Gen planes...

PAF Total = 456-463
IAF Total = 779

Though your fleet is almost 1.68 times more, problem with India is, it is also 4 times bigger than Pakistan area wise thus giving us the advantage.

The superiority: At present, the IAF is operating 34 fighter jet squadrons, as compared to the 26 operated by the PAF. However, the IAF needs to operate 39.5 squadrons to maintain its superiority over the PAF , due to a wide variety of issues like geographical disadvantage. The squadron strength of the IAF will drop to just 31 during the country’s 12th five year plan (2012-2017).
Pakistan Air Force To Gain Superiority Over Indian Air Force ~ ASIAN DEFENSE

 

[Abingdonboy]

Correction:

82 Mirage V are 3 Gen
186 F-7P+PG are 3/3.5 Gen

Correction:

63-70 F-16 (Block 40 +Block 52 = 4/4.5 Gen
50 JF-17 (Block 1) = 4 Gen

Total = 113-120 4/4.5 Gen planes...

The superiority: At present, the IAF is operating 34 fighter jet squadrons, as compared to the 26 operated by the PAF. However, the IAF needs to operate 39.5 squadrons to maintain its superiority over the PAF , due to a wide variety of issues like geographical disadvantage. The squadron strength of the IAF will drop to just 31 during the country’s 12th five year plan (2012-2017).
Pakistan Air Force To Gain Superiority Over Indian Air Force ~ ASIAN DEFENSE

Correction- the SQD strength will drop for a period during 12th plan but this will be a very short period (12-24 months) and after this period the SQD strength will increase steeply with MKI, MMRCA, LCA (and later) PAK-FA/FGFA all being built and inducted simultaneously.

 

[Edevelop]

Correction- the SQD strength will drop for a period during 12th plan but this will be a very short period (12-24 months) and after this period the SQD strength will increase steeply with MKI, MMRCA, LCA (and later) PAK-FA/FGFA all being built and inducted simultaneously.

Then in the future, PAF will also increase theirs to induct more JF-17s, more F-16s, J-10, JFX....

 

[Jade]

Ho, I am not bothered about Pakistan Airforce. I am more bothered about PLAAF

 

[Abingdonboy]

Then in the future, PAF will also increase theirs to induct more JF-17s, more F-16s, J-10, JFX....

Hey if PAF can afford to induct more such assets to match IAF- good for them.I personally don't think the PAF can afford to match the IAF in quality or quantity but that is only my personal POV and I could be wrong and if others want to beleive different I'm not going to argue.

 

[ziaulislam]

useless thread we all know IAF was (in 1965,71) and will be atleast 3X superior to PAF

 

[Alphacharlie]

useless thread we all know IAF was (in 1965,71) and will be atleast 3X superior to PAF

Can you please share the numbers....

 

[MiG-21]

Correction:

75 Mirage III are 2 Gen
82 Mirage V are 3 Gen
186 F-7P+PG are 3/3.5 Gen

Total - 343 2/3/3.5 Gen

Correction:

63-70 F-16 (Block 40 +Block 52 = 4/4.5 Gen
50 JF-17 (Block 1) = 4 Gen

Total = 113-120 4/4.5 Gen planes...

PAF Total = 456-463
IAF Total = 779

Though your fleet is almost 1.68 times more, problem with India is, it is also 4 times bigger than Pakistan area wise thus giving us the advantage.

The superiority: At present, the IAF is operating 34 fighter jet squadrons, as compared to the 26 operated by the PAF. However, the IAF needs to operate 39.5 squadrons to maintain its superiority over the PAF , due to a wide variety of issues like geographical disadvantage. The squadron strength of the IAF will drop to just 31 during the country’s 12th five year plan (2012-2017).

Mirage-3 is 2nd Generation (no BVR)
F-7P is 2nd Generation (no BVR)
F-7PG is 2.5 Generation (no BVR)
JF-17 Block-1 is 3.5 Generation (BVR)
F-16 is 4th Generation (BVR)

MiG-21 Bison is 2.5+ Generation (BVR)
Harrier is 3rd Generation (BVR)
Mirage-2000H is 4th Generation (BVR)
MiG-29B is 4th Generation (BVR)
Su-30MKI is 4.5 Generation (BVR)
MiG-29K is 4.5 Generation (BVR)

Mirage-5, MiG-27 & Jaguar are ground attack aircrafts. They don't even have Radars. Only a few Maritime Jaguars and Maritime Mirage-5 have Agave radars, which are ground attack radars, and not Air-Air radar. So it's immaterial if they are 2 or 3rd Generation, because they are useless in Air-Air combat.

 

[MiG-21]

As of now, only 18 F-16 Block 52 along with a handful of F-16 which has been converted to MLU standards are confirmed to be BVR capable. JF-17 will eventually have BVR but there is no confirmation yet on whether BVR missile testing is fully complete and has been fully integrated and given operational clearance. So only around 25 fighters in Pakistani Air Force Inventory is actually BVR capable as of TODAY.

 

[Dazzler]

As of now, only 18 F-16 Block 52 along with a handful of F-16 which has been converted to MLU standards are confirmed to be BVR capable. JF-17 will eventually have BVR but there is no confirmation yet on whether BVR missile testing is fully complete and has been fully integrated and given operational clearance. So only around 25 fighters in Pakistani Air Force Inventory is actually BVR capable as of TODAY.

Wrong, jf-17 is already BVR capable and SD-10 is in PAF service for over a year now, so is the ROSE series of Mirage III and Vs, approximately 80 have been upgraded with ROSE1 configuration, 40-50 with ROSE II and III though only ROSE 1 have Grifo M3 PD radar, search 120, track 60-70 km allows them BVR capability, rumoured to have been integrated with T-Darter BVR missile in limited numbers. Whole F-16 fleet is BVR capable, we have APG-66V enhanced radar in our BLK 15s since start, a radar that allows AIM 120 integration, 16 more that we received also have an upgraded APG-66V1, OCU version.


PAF confirmed BVR fleet as of now is...

jf-17= 40

F-16 blk 15+MLU = 42+3

F-16 blk 52+ = 18

ROSE 1 = 80


Total = 203...

Remember, this is the confirmed fleet as of today...

 

[MiG-21]

Please no rumors. I need some links for purchase of T-Darter intended for Mirage-3, and BVR integration and operational clearance for JF-17.

What do you mean since start? All F-16s became BVR capable only from 1992! I don't recall US performing modifications on the PAF F-16s to make it BVR capable during the sanction period. Whether it had the radar or not, it still needs had to have the required wiring and software to fire the missile. Have the wiring and Software upgrades completed on the Block 15?
"So basically all F-16s from Block 10 onwards are structurally AMRAAM-capable, although some A/B models lack both the wiring and the software, and although the C/D models have the wiring, some of them do not have the necessary software. The latter depends on whether the customer is subject to export restrictions or not."
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article3.html

 

[ziaulislam]

@MIG21 NABIL gave you the answer now if you are looking for them to be paraded, we all know that PAF doesnt do that.