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[Quwa]

Over the week-end I overheard an Indian Doctor at a friend's house.
He claimed that his son is working on a hush hush project for the USAF in California. I managed to strike a conversation with the gentleman and tried to know a little more about the project.

The doctor said that all he knew was that this project involves building a laser gun whereby you target the antenna of the eneny plane with a concentrated microwave beam. Since nearly all of the future aircrafts will be "Fly by wire", microwaves will damage the computer managing the controls, causing the aircraft to crash.

I would presume antenna is needed by every aircraft to communicate with the ground control, thus every aircaft is vulnerable; this is truly science fiction stuff. Suppose Hon Murad would be able to elucidate a little more??

Well couldn't issues of different frequency and range have an affect? Plus couldn't technology such as infra-red search & track (IRST) theoretically be developed for some form of communication?

 

[fatman17]

AFM JUNE NEWS / HEADLINES...STICKING TO PAF NEWS AS THERE IS PLENTY (KNOWN AND NOT KNOWN)

1. Pakistan JF-17 Thunder Testing Continues:
Chengdu JF-17 Thunder 08-107, one of six additional aircraft delivered to the PAF earlier this year taxies out from the JF-17 Test & Evaluation Flight (TEF) facility at PAC Kamra on April 21 during the ongoing flight trials with the type.

2. First Saab 2000 Erieye Rolled Out for Pakistan:
SAAB conducted a roll-out ceremony on March 27 at its Linkoping facility in Sweden for the first Saab 2000 Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft for the PAF, 10045 (c/n 045, ex-SE-045 and formerly LY-SBW with Lithuanian airlines). guest of honor was ACM Tanvir Mahmood Ahmad, the PAF's CAS.
Subject to successful completion of ground testing and other development work, flight testing was expected to commence within a matter of weeks. this will include testing basic aircraft systems, and opening up of the flight envelope, plus flight qualities, performance and flutter trials. the aircraft has yet to have its full AEW&C mission equipment fit installed.. this will be carried out later in the programme, enabling full mission system testing and verification to be completed. this will also include a full defensive aids suite with chaff dispensers, plus a linked electronics support measures system.
Six Erieye equipped Saab 2000s were originally ordered by the PAF under a contract signed in June 2006, but due to budget constraints, the number was reduced to five last year. An initial aircraft without the full equipment will be delivered later this year to allow PAF aircrew to familiarise themselves with this type. the first fully outfitted airframe will then enter PAF service in mid-2009, once all flight testing has been completed.

3. Pakistan FT-5 Overhauls:
Up to 25 PAF Guizhou FT-5s will go through a service life extension programme (SLEP) at the PAC Complex Kamra, to provide another 280 hours of operational flying. this will allow them to soldier on until around 2010, by which time the remaining K-8Ps will have been delivered to take over this role.

4. Additional F27 and Alouette IIIs Enter Pakistan Navy Service:
TWO Alouette III helicopters and a Fokker F27-200 Friendship were formally inducted into service with the PN during a ceremony at PNS Mehran on April 12. the F27 was one of three retired aircraft (AP-BAO c/n 10230, AP-BCZ c/n 10305, and AP-BDB c/n 10292) that had been acquired from PIA in May 2007 for spares use. it was later decided that only two will be cannibilised and the third would be refurbished for operational service. the latter has now been fitted with state-of-the-art sensors and weapons for use in maritime operations. it joins five F27s already in service with 27 squadron at mehran.
Six Alouette IIIs are being acquired in total, all being ex-french military. the remaining four are expected to arrive in Pakistan before the end of the year. they have been purchased through London, UK based MNA technologies ltd and are being converted to maritime configuration before delivery. the helicopters will be operated from PN ships in a variety of roles, joining eight of the type which are believed to still remain in sevice with 333 squadron at mehran.

5. Pakistan Air Force PAF Officials Revealed:
to AFM that four Embraer Phenom 300 business jets have been ordered in the VIP transport role. the Phenom 300 is a new light jet developed by the Brazilian manufacturer and the prototype made its first flight on April 29. first customer deliveries are expected in the second half of 2009 although it is as yet unclear when the first PAF aircraft is scheduled to enter service.

6. Pakistan Anti Narcotics Force:
accepted two Mi-171s at the Ulan-Ude aviation plant (UUAP) on March 31. they were scheduled for shipment to Pakistan during April. UUAP says it had delivered around 30 Mi-171s to Pakistan to date for use by its Army, Airforce and other services.

 

[fatman17]

AFM NEWS FOR JULY:

NOT MUCH ON PAF EXCEPT FOR F-16MLU UPDATE WHICH IS POSTED IN F-16MLU SECTION.

OTHER NEWS OF INTEREST:

sudanese MiG-29 flown by russian pilot shot down; claimed by JEM rebels using a large calibre machine gun

india issues RFP for 22 new attack helicopters: RFPs have been solicited from augusta-westland (AW 129 mangusta), Bell (AH-1Z super cobra), Boeing (AH-64D apache), Eurpcopter (Tiger) and Mil (Mi-28N night hunter and possibly with a Mi-35 new variant)

the YAK-130: the best school desk for modern AF pilots as claimed by Irkut Corporation.

Venezuela to buy NAMC K-8s as its arms purchases continue.they will replace the VAF Rockwell T-2D Buckeyes.

More poweful engines sought for indian LCA. LCA weight has gone up from ~8,000 kg to ~10,000 kg.

Further delays to Indian A-50Ehl (phalcon AWACS):the 1st delivery scheduled for sept-08 has been delayed to Q-1-09 due to parts un-availability from some vendors.

Flexing its muscles: great article and pictures on russia's may day parade celebrations. biggest event since the collapse of communism.

 

[Contrarian]

The doctor said that all he knew was that this project involves building a laser gun whereby you target the antenna of the eneny plane with a concentrated microwave beam. Since nearly all of the future aircrafts will be "Fly by wire",

All the current generation planes are fly-by-wire. The next generation of planes will be fly-by-light, wherein they use optical cables.

 

[Munir]

So I know there are laser/light connections and some electronic parts can do the same as electronic circuits but do believe me that there will be electronics and there will be generators... You can fly with anything you want but you cannot do everything with light... Unless DRDO start another ******** like comparing Akash with Amraam...

 

[Contrarian]

So I know there are laser/light connections and some electronic parts can do the same as electronic circuits but do believe me that there will be electronics and there will be generators... You can fly with anything you want but you cannot do everything with light... Unless DRDO start another ******** like comparing Akash with Amraam...

Is it me or is the standard of this forum going down because of many esteemed members? I was merely discussing that the modern planes instead of using the old generation fly-by-wire technology, use fly-by-light technology.

Where did i once bring in DRDO? You are trying to flame, and your post makes absolutely no sense.

Here, Do read the following:
Fly By Wire Vs. Fly By Light

AND

Gulfstream testing fly-by-light controls

Just days after taking the wraps off the fly-by-wire G650 last month, Gulfstream revealed that it has successfully flown a GV testbed fitted with a fiber-optic “fly by light” (FBL) control system.

The FBL technology that is being demonstrated on the testbed is actually a generation beyond the fly-by-wire (FBW) system developed for the G650, Gulfstream said. Fly-by-light control systems use fiber-optic links instead of wires to transmit data from the flight control computers to the actuator control electronics. Besides being lighter, fiber-optic cables can transmit several channels of bidirectional information simultaneously.
Gulfstream testing fly-by-light controls: AINonline

AND

C-MAC wins £8m Eurofighter contract

C-MAC MicroTechnology has announced it has won a major contract, expected to be worth around �8 million over the next five years, from Galileo Avionica to supply high-speed microelectronic and electro-optical modules for the Eurofighter Typhoon military aircraft, as well as the NATO NH90 and AgustaWestland EH101 Merlin helicopters.

C-MAC components based on the Stanag 3910 optical data bus specification will provide the interface between critical components of Typhoon's advanced 'fly-by-light' control system, including radio communications, altimeter, cockpit control and munitions computers. This optical system safeguards against jamming and other electromagnetic interference that can adversely affect the electrical data bus of conventional 'fly-by-wire' systems.

While fly-by-wire typically operates over a 1 Mbps data bus based on Mil-Std-1553, the Stanag 3910 optical system used in the Typhoon is designed for transfer rates 20 times as fast.

C-MAC wins £8m Eurofighter contract - Arrow Altech Distribution (AAD) - Dataweek

This is just an example to show how ignorant you are and without understanding the discussion or contributing something to the discussion, you rant, you troll and you flame.

 

[araz]

All the current generation planes are fly-by-wire. The next generation of planes will be fly-by-light, wherein they use optical cables.

Malay
Could you please elaborate and explain to educate me . Oops sorry did not read your above post.
Munir ,In keeping with the traditions of this forum may I request you to kindly refrain from posts that could be construed as offensive.
Kind regards
Araz

 

[JK!]

Malay
Could you please elaborate and explain to educate me .
Kind regards
Araz

Its like broadband internet instead of having copper wire cables these will use fibre glass strands about as thick as a strand of hair but will use light as a means of sending the signal faster and quicker.

 

[nitesh]

Hey malay, that is an excellent read. Any idea about Indian efforts about this tech?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hey malay, that is an excellent read. Any idea about Indian efforts about this tech?

that scientist is actually hired from DRDO for US... that means DRDO is a decade ahead in terms of this new tech.. china is no where close to it..

 

[Super Falcon]

rafales has been offered ti IAF OH crap can any body tell me where IAF is going hornets or rafales

 

[Interceptor]

Its like broadband internet instead of having copper wire cables these will use fibre glass strands about as thick as a strand of hair but will use light as a means of sending the signal faster and quicker.

When you make glass thin as a few microns the glass becomes more flexible, however, fibre glass is really sensitive to wear, and once the outer cladding is slightly damaged the whole cable needs to be replaced, would that not be an issue when placing it in a battle system that will be prone to violent turbulence and attacks.

 

[JK!]

rafales has been offered ti IAF OH crap can any body tell me where IAF is going hornets or rafales

These are all the aircraft that have been offered to India for its MRCA requirement.

Russia: MiG 35

France: Rafale

US: F16 and F18

UK/Germany/Spain/Italy: Typhoon

Sweden: Gripen

Nothing is decided yet though.

 

[JK!]

When you make glass thin as a few microns the glass becomes more flexible, however, fibre glass is really sensitive to wear, and once the outer cladding is slightly damaged the whole cable needs to be replaced, would that not be an issue when placing it in a battle system that will be prone to violent turbulence and attacks.

Its probably glass as you say thanks for the correction.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

EF-2000 and Rafale are out of the picture... just a show off game...
only real comparators are Mig-35 and Fa-18 all though Gripens still have good chance..