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Due to the integration of AESA radar, the JF-17s will not only become resistant to enemy's jamming but will have on station jamming, EW capabilities of their own. This will be further enhanced by the integration of a modular plug & play EW pod, mounted on the chin hard point.

Learned internal fuel capacity has also gone up plus lighter due to advance materials and all fly by wire system

It would be nice if fuel fraction goes to .30 plus

Say ~2600 kg and weapons pylons to 9-11
 
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Where are we going get the surface area to spare for 9 to 11 pylons. Wing span and other specs are the same????

I do not know but 2 under wing plus two under intake total 4 new one, like to but I am not aware of total number at this time
 
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Something like it plus two under intake , guessing but possible
 
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Something like it plus two under intake , guessing but possible
main problem of current block isnt the no. of hard points but its limited internal fuel.. a single hardpoint for pod is more than enough its the fuel that limits it..it has to carry 2 fuel tanks all the time to really be practical ..if it gets naother 800-1000 liters it can simply work out with 1 fuel tank and spare another 2 hardpoints

block 3 would need to get at least another 800 kg of fuel to really become a good fighter...or come up with something innovative like CFTs

gripen NG carries 3400kg of fuel up from 2400 in the C version..they realized that wihtout this addiotnal fuel its not going to be able to compete

The Typhoon T1 is a glorified F-16 Block-52+. The most feasible way to approach those is to work out a leasing agreement with Leonardo where the PAF pays $100 m a year flat for everything -- i.e., every plane, maintenance issue, weapon, sortie, fuel, etc -- right until we don't need the T1s anymore. By the end of the leasing deal, those T1s will be so worn out, Leonardo might just leave them with Pakistan.
i doubt they will lease them so cheap
you want them to have upgraded capabilities not just basic T1s, and that is where the problem lies..this will push the plan well into 60+M range

the price will have to be dropped to around 20 m from 40 ish now to make this deal feasible for PAF, provided theere is interest in PAF to begin with it
 
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main problem of current block isnt the no. of hard points but its limited internal fuel.. a single hardpoint for pod is more than enough its the fuel that limits it..it has to carry 2 fuel tanks all the time to really be practical ..if it gets naother 800-1000 liters it can simply work out with 1 fuel tank and spare another 2 hardpoints

block 3 would need to get at least another 800 kg of fuel to really become a good fighter...or come up with something innovative like CFTs

gripen NG carries 3400kg of fuel up from 2400 in the C version..they realized that wihtout this addiotnal fuel its not going to be able to compete


i doubt they will lease them so cheap
you want them to have upgraded capabilities not just basic T1s, and that is where the problem lies..this will push the plan well into 60+M range

the price will have to be dropped to around 20 m from 40 ish now to make this deal feasible for PAF, provided theere is interest in PAF to begin with it
IMO ... we need to come to terms, the only near-term new fighter will be the JF-17 Block-3. At this point, I can't see how they'll spare even available money for anything but Project Azm.

Sure, they might end-up being less risky or ambitious with Azm, but as it stands, the money should go into taking us out of heavy reliance on outside OEMs, not keep us there.

However, spending a $1bn on air-to-air, air-to-surface, etc weapons development (including dual-motor pulse rockets, electronics, seekers, etc) for both JF-17 and Project Azm is a worthwhile idea. I'd go that route.
 
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Perhaps we should use this opportunity to clear up the nomenclature.
1. FGFA = Project Azm
2. JF-17NG (Block 4+)
Is this about right? Not sure what NGF refers too. Perhaps FGFA = NGF = Azm? I'm still very confused.

As it's already September and no pic leak of block3 (which is assumed to be with no significant difference in appearance but internals) and with this secrecy ....... I have a feeling either:

1- The project is far behind timelines.
2- Block-3 is actually JF-17 NG.

IMO ... we need to come to terms, the only near-term new fighter will be the JF-17 Block-3. At this point, I can't see how they'll spare even available money for anything but Project Azm.

Sure, they might end-up being less risky or ambitious with Azm, but as it stands, the money should go into taking us out of heavy reliance on outside OEMs, not keep us there.

However, spending a $1bn on air-to-air, air-to-surface, etc weapons development (including dual-motor pulse rockets, electronics, seekers, etc) for both JF-17 and Project Azm is a worthwhile idea. I'd go that route.

Should be the way to look forward.
 
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Thats the FC-1E under RandD since 2010. I have talked abt it elsewhere.

Due to the integration of AESA radar, the JF-17s will not only become resistant to enemy's jamming but will have on station jamming, EW capabilities of their own. This will be further enhanced by the integration of a modular plug & play EW pod, mounted on the chin hard point.
 
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Air War of '65 - 54 years ago today


The Tail Choppers

The concentration of air, sea and land power lay in the western wing of the country, and East Pakistan had only a single squadron of 12 F-86F aircraft at Dhaka. This was all that could be spared, in the hope that it would be sufficient for the comparatively limited air defence requirements of East Pakistan. Offensive operations from that wing had not been seriously contemplated, although the station commander, Group Captain Ghulam Haider, had been cautioned to have all planning and preparations completed.

The primary target was the big IAF base at Kalaikunda, with Rampurhat radar as the secondary. At Kalaikunda one could expect a good concentration of fighters and bombers set aside for tasks in the east. In fact it actually had over 80 aircraft: 1 Canberra squadron, 1 Hunter squadron, 1 Mystere squadron, 1 Vampire or Ouragon squadron and a number of miscellaneous aircraft. Of the other targets, Baghdogra had 2 Vampire/Ouragon squadrons, Tezpur and Chabwa I Hunter squadron each.

On the 6th, the Dhaka-based pilots were at standby from 0430 hours when Theatre ordered 6 aircraft to be ready for immediate strikes. There was a flash warning at 0830 announcing the start of the war. A CAP was accordingly flown overhead Dhaka all day. When Theatre decided upon the overall airfield strike plan later that morning, it was appreciated that a dusk strike in the east could not be synchronised with those in the west because of a one hour difference in local times. The mission order of 14 Squadron, therefore, prescribed a TOT at dawn on the 7th. IAF Canberras from Kalaikunda penetrated into East Pakistan air space as far as Dhaka during the night of 6/7 September, and dropped bombs at random without much effect in the way of damage or casualties. On the morning of 7 September the Indians launched a pre-dawn offensive consisting of widespread attacks against several targets in East Pakistan - the airfields at Chittagong, Jessore, Lalmunirhat, Shibganj, Thakurgaon and Kurmitola, as well as the Pak Army headquarters at Rangpur.

Hampered by the low cloud and the natural cover which the country afforded, the Indian aircraft failed to locate Dhaka airfield, from where the Sabres were, operating. Instead, they attacked Kurmitola, an abandoned airfield nearby, where the PAF's SOC was located. Here, a barrack was hit by rockets, and there were two casualties, one Sergeant A R Choudhry, and a child.

Kurmitola was still under attack when the strike element of the squadron started up, in anticipation of clearance from Theatre for counter offensive action. This clearance was some time in coming, and it was not until 0635 hours that the mission was on its way to Kalaikuncla. It consisted of 5 aircraft with Squadron Leader Shabbir H Syed, the squadron commander, in the lead. The other members were Flight Lieutenant Baseer Khan, Flight Lieutenant Tariq Habib Khan, Flying Officer Afzal Khan, and Flight Lieutenant Abdul Haleem.

Under difficult visibility conditions, the strike mission flew on, just managing to stick together, often without any visual contact. However, it was not long before the leader reported the target in sight; there were, four confident calls of 'contact' from his team, and as they pulled up for the attack, Shabbir's formation was rewarded by the sight of Canberras and Hunters lying mostly unguarded on the airfield. The surprise, it seems, was complete; the Indians had probably never imagined that such a small force could react with such speed and audacity against odds so heavily weighted against it, and that, too, at the very limits of its reach into Indian territory.

The raiders put in three attacks, and when they exited, the airfield lay ablaze behind them. Ten aircraft were estimated to have been destroyed, while several aircraft and a number of installations were damaged. The mission landed back at Dhaka at 0744 hours.

Not content, however, with having delivered this significant blow to draw first blood, the-squadron pursued the initiative further, and at 1030 hours a second strike mission was ready to leave for Kalaikuncla, led this time by Flight Lieutenant Haleem. Later it was thought that it might have been wiser not to send this second strike.

Take off was at about 1030 hours and the approach was made at low level as before, although in fairly poor visibility; but this time the Indians were ready. As the F-86s pulled up for their attack, No 4 called on the radio "Nine Hunters, 12 o'clock high", and heavy ack ack fire was simultaneously encountered from the airfield. From their battle formation, the F-86s split into two pairs as the leader ordered his No 3 and 4 not to follow him into the attack, but during their single pass, the first two Sabres each strafed a Canberra. Before this strike, the remaining Indian bombers had been removed from the tarmac into protected dispersals, presumably on the principle of better late than never.

All 4 F-86s then turned to engage the Indian aircraft, and Flight Lieutenant Tariq Habeeb, who was leading the second pair of Sabres, called, ','Lead, I have four Hunters behind me". He also told his No 2, Afzal Khan, to jettison his tanks and break. With four drop tanks beneath the wings, the Sabres were very sluggish, and before Afzal could release them a Hunter had closed in to about 600 ft and opened fire. The F-86 burst into flames, and rolled straight into the ground. Tariq Habeeb had in the meantime jettisoned three of his tanks, but the fourth hung up and with this handicap he was cornered by 3 Hunters for a good ten minutes. With remarkable coolness and presence of mind, he twisted and turned at low altitude to evade his pursuers, popping out his speed brakes and lowering flap to improve his low speed manoeuvreability.

Even after his flap stuck down at 20 degrees he managed to continue breaking into the Hunters, as well as firing at a couple of them, before he succeeded in shaking them off and returning safely to Dhaka, several anxious minutes after the other 2 Sabres had landed. For his courage and skill in fighting his way clear of the larger and better equipped enemy force, Tariq Habeeb was awarded a well deserved Sitara-e-Jurat. 14 Squadron earned the nickname of the 'Tail Choppers', alluding to the swath of bullets they used at Kalaikuncla to cut through the tails of IAF's neatly lined up Canberras. In West Pakistan, the PAF had cut off the head of the Indian Air Force, and in their two sorties on 7 September, the pilots of 14 Squadron did an equally good job with the tail.

This second raid is estimated to have bagged 4 to 6 aircraft, mainly Canberras, for the loss of one Sabre. Thus the day's toll on the IAF in the east was about 14-16 aircraft destroyed, and 6-8 aircraft damaged. The losses, on the other hand, were one Sabre destroyed with its pilot Flying Officer Afzal lost, and one Sabre - Flight Lieutenant Tariq Habeeb's -rendered permanently unserviceable for want of spares. Though this in itself was not much, the aircraft strength of the squadron was now reduced to 8 [this included two air accidents due to bad weather conditions since the war started].

By the end of 7th September 1965, the PAF achieved an outstanding measure of success in both its immediate objectives. The significance of this soon became apparent: after the 7th of September, except for occasional air skirmishes over the international border, the IAF never seriously challenged the PAF for control of the air. Having achieved a healthy measure of air superiority, it now became necessary for the PAF to review its strategy for the foreseeable future. Since there was no political or army guidance available as to the probable duration of the war, nor was there any prospect of replenishment of lost aircraft, it was now of paramount importance to adopt a 'conservation' policy. It was, therefore, decided to halt daylight counter air operations altogether as they were likely to produce the highest attrition rate; henceforth attacks against IAF installations would be done exclusively by B-57s at night. The Sabres would be employed primarily on air defence and army support operations
 
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PAF ever ready to protect blue skies of country: Air Chief

September 07, 2019
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Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan says Pakistan Air Force is ever ready to protect the blue skies of the country.

Addressing Martyrs' Day ceremony at Air Headquarters in Islamabad on Saturday, he said PAF's glaring victory against the enemy during Operation Swift Retort showed to the world the capability of our Shaheens.

The Air Chief said sacrifices of our forefathers demand unity and patriotism amongst us.

Talking about the Kashmir issue, he said we stand shoulder to shoulder with our Kashmiri brothers in their struggle for the right of self-determination.

Later, Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan laid floral wreath and offered Fateha at the Martyrs' Monument.

Principal Staff Officers and a large number of Airmen attended the ceremony.

Meanwhile, in connection with PAF Day, a wreath laying ceremony was also held at the grave of country's youngest Nishan-e-Haider Pilot Officer Rashid Minhas Shaheed in Karachi.

A PAF Contingent led by Air Vice Marshal Ghulam Abbas Ghumman, Air Officer Commanding, Southern Air Command, offered 'Fateha' and laid floral wreath at the grave of Rashid Minhas Shaheed on behalf of the Air Chief.

The contingent paid homage to the young pilot who sacrificed his life in the defence of motherland, showing exceptional courage and determination.
 
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