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[jupiter2007]

Why can't we do a back deal with Russia ,
We pay them royalty and they allow us to buy the latest variant of AL31 equipped J16's ,
This way Russia won't be subject to political pressure from the gangandus, Pakistan won't face CATSA sanctions, and China will benefit too,
Besides the J16 would be cheap since China mass produces them and we already have the munitions it uses and our pilots have many times flown and tested J11's and j16's ,
Even if with royalty it's price increases , it will still be a formidable strike fighter, especially for the Arabian sea,
2-3 squadrons with a 4th one built up over the long term would be a good breathing gap till 2030 onwards when azm arrives ,
I just trying to understand why Russia doesn't let China export if royalties are guaranteed,
As for J31 , it's just a demonstrstor as of yet ; or who knows the paf might have indepth inforamation about it and might have already signalled willingus to buy 2-3 squadrons 5 years from now when it will be operational should it's development continue

If you had to choose between J-10CE and J-16, which one would you pick and why?

 

[Khafee]

If you had to choose between J-10CE and J-16, which one would you pick and why?

Can I answer this...?

 

[jupiter2007]

Can I answer this...?

Yes

 

[Thorough Pro]

better empty that gut asap or you'll end up having a long term constipation.
screw american policies and equipment, they have already stopped paying our dues along with deliveries of previously committed equipment. Who wants to deal with a moody bitch like US of A?

I have a gut feeling there are more F-16s (Newly built) will come

 

[Khafee]

Yes

The J10C is a medium weight multi role fighter equal to that of the Viper.
The J16 is a heavy weight, that does come in a dedicated wild weasel / growler type version as well.

Now a single engine a/c is much easier to maintain, and very economical for CAP's, but these capabilities are already being addressed by Viper & JFT.

If it comes down to which one PAF should buy, the clear choice should be the J16.

Everything that the J10 offers is available in the Blk52+ and is supplemented by JFT. What PAF needs now, is to address gaps / additional areas that need to be addressed, especially for maritime ops.

A dedicated squadron or two for the navy, considering it's long range, would do wonders.

Secondly, the J16's low flight capability is very close, if not better than that of the mirages. Being twin engine it's payload capacity is also greater. In a Growler like config, it would wreak havoc.

Just my 2cents
@Signalian & @MastanKhan can expand on this further.

 

[mingle]

Good logical answer by @Khafee j16 indeed can compliment our maritime requirements if we r looking for a Chinese solution.

 

[LKJ86]

Good logical answer by @Khafee j16 indeed can compliment our maritime requirements if we r looking for a Chinese solution.

Just forget J-16. It is impossible.

 

[Khafee]

Just forget J-16. It is impossible.

For PAF no Chinese aircraft is impossible.

Hell even the Taiwanese gave them AMRAAM's (joke)

 

[LKJ86]

For PAF no aircraft is impossible.

Su-30 or Su-35 will be a more realistic choice.

 

[MastanKhan]

The J10C is a medium weight multi role fighter equal to that of the Viper.
The J16 is a heavy weight, that does come in a dedicated wild weasel / growler type version as well.

Now a single engine a/c is much easier to maintain, and very economical for CAP's, but these capabilities are already being addressed by Viper & JFT.

If it comes down to which one PAF should buy, the clear choice should be the J16.

Everything that the J10 offers is available in the Blk52+ and is supplemented by JFT. What PAF needs now, is to address gaps / additional areas that need to be addressed, especially for maritime ops.

A dedicated squadron or two for the navy, considering it's long range, would do wonders.

Secondly, the J16's low flight capability is very close, if not better than that of the mirages. Being twin engine it's payload capacity is also greater. In a Growler like config, it would wreak havoc.

Just my 2cents
@Signalian & @MastanKhan can expand on this further.

Hi,

Thanks for the tag---. Weapons and war---it is all about the timing---. What do you have---when would you need it---what is the enemy planning right now---.

Based on that---Paf is woefully low on numbers as of now for the frontline aircraft---.

The enemy is not weak---it just made a tactical retreat---. Admitted that it looks terrible in show and on paper the way it was done---.

The attack in kashmir was ill-planned and its execution terrible by the Iaf---. Paf rode the wave of enemy un-certainty and smashed them---.

But they did not run away because they were weak---. That retreat was tactical---. Any further losses in air or on ground would result badly on the elections---so the enemy decided what it did---swallowed its pride and calmed down with its tail between its legs---.

But that does not mean it ended---. The election results will reflect on the future---. If Modi wins---war is imminent---no ifs and buts---.

So---how should pakistan cope now---thios mentality of " brings nothing new to the table " falls in favor of the enemy---.

Napoleone----if he was alive---for sure to this day would have wanted his flank division to have moved 1 minute ahead of time and available to him at the crucial moment---.

An educated pakistani is absolutely illiterate in war planning strategy equipment utility & resource---.

They don't understand what 16-18 fighter aircraft bring to the military---.

16---18 aircraft comprises of a sqdrn of aircraft---a sqdrn of aircraft is like a division of army---a division of Jordanian F16's in pakistani air force lines created havoc in the indian air force plans---.

Because they suddenly showed up one day---just like that---.

So---be it the J10CE or the J16---both are extremely important aircraft for the Paf & Pakistan---.

J10CE is an easier integration than the J16's.

The problem with the Paf's mindset is that it wants to do tomorrow what needed to be done today---.

They should have a plan in place for the 1st enemy incursion---they did not---not ready for today---but ready to make plans for tomorrow---.

Kargil---did not get the chinese F7PG's till they got into combat with the enemy---yet they were available earlier---.

Did not get the M2k's earlier when available---waited too long and lost the deal---.

Did not get the F16's earlier---lost the opportunity to get the F16's later---.

So---the J10---the J16 or the JH7A's---Paf needs to get something now---.

 

[Khafee]

The enemy is not weak---it just made a tactical retreat---. Admitted that it looks terrible in show and on paper the way it was done---.

The attack in kashmir was ill-planned and its execution terrible by the Iaf---. Paf rode the wave of enemy un-certainty and smashed them---.

But they did not run away because they were weak---. That retreat was tactical---. Any further losses in air or on ground would result badly on the elections---so the enemy decided what it did---swallowed its pride and calmed down with its tail between its legs---.

But that does not mean it ended---. The election results will reflect on the future---. If Modi wins---war is imminent---no ifs and buts---.

.

People need to wake up, smell the coffee, and understand this. They are too complacent.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

Thanks for the tag---. Weapons and war---it is all about the timing---. What do you have---when would you need it---what is the enemy planning right now---.

Based on that---Paf is woefully low on numbers as of now for the frontline aircraft---.

The enemy is not weak---it just made a tactical retreat---. Admitted that it looks terrible in show and on paper the way it was done---.

The attack in kashmir was ill-planned and its execution terrible by the Iaf---. Paf rode the wave of enemy un-certainty and smashed them---.

But they did not run away because they were weak---. That retreat was tactical---. Any further losses in air or on ground would result badly on the elections---so the enemy decided what it did---swallowed its pride and calmed down with its tail between its legs---.

But that does not mean it ended---. The election results will reflect on the future---. If Modi wins---war is imminent---no ifs and buts---.

So---how should pakistan cope now---thios mentality of " brings nothing new to the table " falls in favor of the enemy---.

Napoleone----if he was alive---for sure to this day would have wanted his flank division to have moved 1 minute ahead of time and available to him at the crucial moment---.

An educated pakistani is absolutely illiterate in war planning strategy equipment utility & resource---.

They don't understand what 16-18 fighter aircraft bring to the military---.

16---18 aircraft comprises of a sqdrn of aircraft---a sqdrn of aircraft is like a division of army---a division of Jordanian F16's in pakistani air force lines created havoc in the indian air force plans---.

Because they suddenly showed up one day---just like that---.

So---be it the J10CE or the J16---both are extremely important aircraft for the Paf & Pakistan---.

J10CE is an easier integration than the J16's.

The problem with the Paf's mindset is that it wants to do tomorrow what needed to be done today---.

They should have a plan in place for the 1st enemy incsirursion---they did not---not ready for today---but ready to make plans for tomorrow---.

Kargil---did not get the chinese F7PG's till they got into combat with the enemy---yet they were available earlier---.

Did not get the M2k's earlier when available---waited too long and lost the deal---.

Did not get the F16's earlier---lost the opportunity to get the F16's later---.

So---the J10---the J16 or the JH7A's---Paf needs to get something now---.

And not to forget sir political influences on PAF purchasing, especially for Mirage-2000 sega @MastanKhan

 

[ziaulislam]

Ok. Which American jets did you have in mind?

Pickings are slim... What're the options? F-15, F-18 & F-35.

Obviously the f35 if that ever becomes available extremely unlikely that such a system will be allowed to india anytime soon let alone Pakistan anytime Ever

 

[mingle]

Obviously the f35 if that ever becomes available extremely unlikely that such a system will be allowed to india anytime soon let alone Pakistan anytime Ever

F35 has good sensors but it's not a good dog fighter best is still F15 X can knock anything out there.

 

[airomerix]

F35 has good sensors but it's not a good dog fighter best is still F15 X can knock anything out there.

These are mere assumptions that F-35 is not a good dogfighter. These assumptions are brain child of that community who wanted to kill F-35 program in favour of more F-16's and F-15's in the US. Since F-35 without a doubt has sucked alot of money out of US tax payer.

The idea of F-35 being a less capable dogfighter was born when inexperienced pilots on F-35 went against veteran F-16/F-15 pilots. Obviously F-35 pilots were destined to lose that way. But now if you ask those guys at Luke AFB. F-35s eat everyone alive. F-16's and F-15s cant even see the F-35 until its too late.

The aircraft is a marvel. Its too good.