PAK SCAN: PAKISTAN SAYS IT HAS A COUNTER TO INDIA'S COLD START DOCTRINE

[randomradio]

Their first strike will never happen, if the war begins Pakistan must strike fully with nuclear and stop when the entire India is wiped out. Never give a chance to enemy to strike first. Hit them harshly in first strike and more to follow

Even the Russians don't have that capability.

 

[Modzi]

i have worked with them, they are sharp minded but back stabbers, bug mouths yet scared as shit. but i still dont underestimate as i don't overestimate. keep calm and this calm behaviour will scare shit out of them.

 

[Flying Man]

Cold Start was pretty much evaporated when Nasr Missile was introduced in 2011. Since then India has been thinking about "defending" its cold-start instead of "progressing" it. But now, with the introduction of Babur-II, III and Ababeel, Indians hopes of attacking Pakistan and yet staying safe are gone down the drain. For every action they take, there will be a response. Even their standing ships in their waters are not safe anymore and they don't even have a name for the missile which they'd be scared of.

Cold Start was pretty much evaporated when Nasr Missile was introduced in 2011. Since then India has been thinking about "defending" its cold-start instead of "progressing" it. But now, with the introduction of Babur-II, III and Ababeel, Indians hopes of attacking Pakistan and yet staying safe are gone down the drain. For every action they take, there will be a response. Even their standing ships in their waters are not safe anymore and they don't even have a name for the missile which they'd be scared of.

India don't

Billions? dude a missile barely cost of 200000 Rs. NSAR make CSD dream of u in hell

India does n't have a "No first use policy against Pakistan" and this is integrated with the cold start. So even before you spell the word NASAR...you are doomed. So come up with some better solutions.

 

[litman]

india still has huge advantage over pakistan. they have pakistani political leadership of all provinces and centre in their pockets. pak leaders can be bought any time.

 

[Max]

Even the Russians don't have that capability.

To wipe out?

 

[StrategyMaster]

Hi,

Yeah---if they had 150000 troops in the GCC by now and complete air and naval battle group---they might have some say---but now---no say at all.

Sorry brother but didn't quite get it, please elaborate thanks

 

[mrrehan]

by Waqar Ahmed
The Indian “Cold Start” doctrine has been around for more than a decade. According to a former US ambassador to India, “The Indian Army's Cold Start Doctrine is a mixture of myth and reality. It has never been and may never be put to use on a battlefield because of substantial and serious resource constraints, but it is a developed operational attack plan announced in 2004 and intended to be taken off the shelf and implemented within a 72-hour period during a crisis. Cold Start is not a plan for a comprehensive invasion and occupation of Pakistan. Instead, it calls for a rapid, time- and distance-limited penetration into Pakistani territory…. It was announced by the BJP-led government in 2004, but the government of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has not publicly embraced Cold Start and GOI uncertainty over Pakistani nuclear restraint may inhibit future implementation by any government.” Even many Indian defense analysts, who maintain cool heads, are not convinced of it being a practical doctrine.

It should be understood by all that a limited war or the Cold Start Doctrine in the Subcontinent poses a serious risk of escalation and intensification due to several factors that may race out of the control of policy makers or military leaders initiating the conflict in the first place and thus could have awful consequences. Observers have already warned that any conventional conflict between India and Pakistan like the Cold Start could quickly spiral out of control and lead towards a nuclear confrontation.

Cold Start has consistently failed to meet its lofty objectives as an assessment of war games conducted in the past seven years by India’s military as well as organizational developments within the service suggest.

There are a whole range of crucial questions about the uninitiated political leaders in New Delhi who, without understanding the doctrine, its deadly ramifications and without sensible precautions, could employ force in a future conflict as the Indian Army tries to modernize and the Indian establishment remains on a perpetual arms buying spree. Instead of achieving a quick decision against Pakistan, the use of the Cold Start could end with potentially catastrophic results and radical reversal in fortunes.

Then there is the question of stability-instability paradox that the Cold Start would generate; the more Indian leaders work into a frenzy and push for a quick military adventure against Pakistan, the more it lowers Pakistan’s nuclear threshold, thus creating further instability, precipitating destruction and defeating the very purpose of a limited war. There could be nothing left to acclaim their triumph in New Delhi.

Meanwhile, according to knowledgeable sources Pakistan is ready to counter the Cold Start by developing her own New Concept of War Fighting (NCWF). The country has addressed both modes, conventional and nuclear in the NCWF. Since the Cold Start was more in cognitive domain and aimed at psychologically putting pressure on the Pakistani leadership, the NCWF has blunted it in both physical and psychological domains and taken the sting out of it.

Observers also believe that the changing dynamics in South and West Asia, unmistakable change of emphasis and Pakistan’s ability to get China and Russia on board for stability in the region have neutralized the US-Indian efforts to pressurize Pakistan anymore.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/193437-Indian-Cold-Start-doctrine-withers-away

Apart from war, Indian mindset is even busy nowadays in defending their Cold Start. In Pakistan their failure is not hidden. There policy to make another Bangladesh out of Pakistan has badly failed. However the corrupt Pakistan's political elite had been played his major role as facilitator, that has make hard to for military establishment to ample reply, but still this is really a big victory for military establishment to defeat the complex haywire social political and terrorists nexus.

Where enemy has enjoyed the backing of politicians, but still forced to retreat into a favorable haven in Afghanistan.

The answer of this was Pakistani efforts to get two superpowers of the region together with the common interest of both, economy the eliminating terrorist and their facilitator.

India has been surprisingly drag by us very badly and lave no choice except strategic withdrawal as their fate. In the view of upcoming economic frontier together with Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia. US has become an observer there and can't do much in favor of India (even if wish to).

on the other hand, Other neighboring countries also have showed their interest in CPEC like Tajikistan, Kirgizstan.

Iran's interest in CPEC make India's investment in Chabahar become a oil repayment of $6 Billion that India bought. Hope fully paid by now.

Where India's credibility
* After supplying weapons to ISIS.

* Indians resistance to expansion from BRICS or BRCS +, because Pakistan is there.

* Indian contempt towards Nepal.
* Trying to derail Russian, Chinese and Pakistani effort for peaceful Afghanistan. (Where India was accommodated in talks after Pakistani efforts)

Indian role is not transparent. Both Afghan puppet government and Indian influence in Afghanistan is dependent on the existence of American forces and money. If in 16 years Americans failed to establish their wishful afghan government, how come India can do that? even with their Indian forces on ground (If they can dare to be there). US is cannot afford to fight another war anywhere by his own especially.

Technically in enmity of Pakistan bit by bit India is Isolating itself.

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

The best solution to stop Indian cold start doctrine is simple and it will also destroy Indian economy in a week for ever and to the point from where India will recover I think with a work of next 50 years. In my proposed solution we will require an anti- ship missile of 500 km range and 3 Ababeel missiles or 5 shaheen 2 or 3 missiles. First place the anti ship missiles on they Gawadar port or any where along the cost line of Balochistan. Next fire ballistic missiles at a facility in Mangalore Karnataka and Indian economy is doomed for ever.

With anti ship missile just destroy any ship taking oil from gulf to India and fire the ballistic missile at Mangalore Karnataka crude oil reserve stock facility where UAE stocks it's oil for India and India is doomed.

So they country will be out of oil and all those tanks India sends to Pakistan in the cold start we can consider them as a gift.

And there is a Chinese Naval base in Sri Lanka and Djibouti That will stop the any other small vessels trying to push in oil but that will not be required. India will fall to it's knees in a week or so and that cold start will go to hell all the companies will leave India domestic production will fall like hell. In 2 weeks there will be total unemployment in civilian sector and in coming month the Gov institutes will start to suffer by that time India will have only moved a kilometer or so on the front line. India will collapse internally with second month into the oil blockade and there will be people turning on to each other for the resources left and it will be worse than Syria. The Indians MBT will be followed by waves of refugees people fleeing India.

India fears Balochistan not because of CPEC but the geo location of Balochistan. We just need to kill the Airship carrier India has with our missiles and India will have no way out. India will lose the war before it even starts and all we need is 10 missiles at max nothing more. @Horus please read and suggest any more improvements to the plan.

Your scenario will only work in perfect conditions. India, weather you like it or not has naval superiority over us and India has an anti-ballistic missile system in development and economic infrastructure will be one of the main priorities to defend from a missile strike. And stop relying on China for support. It didn't come in '71 and if any support will be given in a current scenario it will most probably be pressure on India from their shared borders, you should remember India has the backing of Russia and please don't say Russia won't support them because logically supporting India is a better choice. The best Pakistan can do with it's navy is prevent an almost imminent blockade by the IN. Pakistan should rely more on it's offensive-defensive doctrine on land and take matters to the UN before any conflict escalates. Also, everyone who thinks we can nuke India, please keep in mind the fact that karma is a b**** and anyways nuclear conflict isn't practical. In India and Pakistan's case the international community will immediately try to broker a peace treaty considering we are both nuclear armed nations.

 

[Basel]

Detail what you are developing except using TNW on invading Indian armored column. Moreover India probably diverted their focused from open attack to coverts small scale operation to destroy/achieve it's objective /target similar to recent surgical attack on Pakistani border.

Your posts show you have no clue of what Pakistan is doing to counter new Indian doctrine, google is good tool if one use it properly.

 

[Riz]

India don't

India does n't have a "No first use policy against Pakistan" and this is integrated with the cold start. So even before you spell the word NASAR...you are doomed. So come up with some better solutions.

Hmmmm..and dont expect we will give u time to respond.. The day u even dream about CSD there will be no morning for u in India

 

[randomradio]

To wipe out?

Yes. Even they don't have that capability. If you really wanna 'wipe out' India, you will need at least 10 times what Russia has. Pakistan only has a piddly 150 nukes.

The Soviet Union's scorched earth policy during WW2 was more devastating than a nuclear war when it comes to wiping out a geographic area.

Nuclear war is highly overestimated, especially ones between countries other than the US and Russia because all other countries have nukes only as deterrence, so it does not play a particularly effective warfighting tool. Even the US and Russia cannot wipe each other out. That's why they have prepared their armies to continue fighting a nuclear war until victory.

There is a reason why nobody except Russia and US have thousands of nukes, they only have enough nukes to serve as a deterrent to protect themselves from an attack. Otherwise countries like India and China have the kind of resources to have 5000+ nukes each as well. Of course, that's also why Russia and US have considerably reduced the size of their arsenals as well. So, Pakistan's arsenal is actually very small.

Conventional capabilities determine the winner in a nuclear war. What nuclear weapons do is give countries the capability to finish wars much more quickly than before.

What is more fearful for Pakistan is the fact that the Indian Army will become an occupation force in Pakistan and that does not bode well for any Pakistani citizen.

It is India that has the advantage when it comes to first strike. According to our doctrine, we will launch nukes the minute your military initiates the process of launching nukes. Since Pakistan is small, India has the advantage when it comes to surveillance. Plus we know for a fact that reconstruction is possible. Not to mention, we have BMD.

 

[Flying Man]

Hmmmm..and dont expect we will give u time to respond.. The day u even dream about CSD there will be no morning for u in India

Ok

 

[wiseone2]

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Putting an ice age poster does not change the fact - pakistani army cannot beat the indian army

Yes. Even they don't have that capability. If you really wanna 'wipe out' India, you will need at least 10 times what Russia has. Pakistan only has a piddly 150 nukes.

The Soviet Union's scorched earth policy during WW2 was more devastating than a nuclear war when it comes to wiping out a geographic area.

Nuclear war is highly overestimated, especially ones between countries other than the US and Russia because all other countries have nukes only as deterrence, so it does not play a particularly effective warfighting tool. Even the US and Russia cannot wipe each other out. That's why they have prepared their armies to continue fighting a nuclear war until victory.

There is a reason why nobody except Russia and US have thousands of nukes, they only have enough nukes to serve as a deterrent to protect themselves from an attack. Otherwise countries like India and China have the kind of resources to have 5000+ nukes each as well. Of course, that's also why Russia and US have considerably reduced the size of their arsenals as well. So, Pakistan's arsenal is actually very small.

Conventional capabilities determine the winner in a nuclear war. What nuclear weapons do is give countries the capability to finish wars much more quickly than before.

What is more fearful for Pakistan is the fact that the Indian Army will become an occupation force in Pakistan and that does not bode well for any Pakistani citizen.

It is India that has the advantage when it comes to first strike. According to our doctrine, we will launch nukes the minute your military initiates the process of launching nukes. Since Pakistan is small, India has the advantage when it comes to surveillance. Plus we know for a fact that reconstruction is possible. Not to mention, we have BMD.

It hate to put it. Even ten nukes - one each on Mumbai, Delhi, Ahmedabad, Chandigarh, Jaipur, Agra, Bhopal, Surat, Jammu and Kanpur will set India back by a decade

 

[Flying Man]

Putting an ice age poster does not change the fact - pakistani army cannot beat the indian army



It hate to put it. Even ten nukes - one each on Mumbai, Delhi, Ahmedabad, Chandigarh, Jaipur, Agra, Bhopal, Surat, Jammu and Kanpur will set India back by a decade

Why are you not thinking the other way around? Just Karachi...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Apart from war, Indian mindset is even busy nowadays in defending their Cold Start. In Pakistan their failure is not hidden. There policy to make another Bangladesh out of Pakistan has badly failed. However the corrupt Pakistan's political elite had been played his major role as facilitator, that has make hard to for military establishment to ample reply, but still this is really a big victory for military establishment to defeat the complex haywire social political and terrorists nexus.

Where enemy has enjoyed the backing of politicians, but still forced to retreat into a favorable haven in Afghanistan.

The answer of this was Pakistani efforts to get two superpowers of the region together with the common interest of both, economy the eliminating terrorist and their facilitator.

India has been surprisingly drag by us very badly and lave no choice except strategic withdrawal as their fate. In the view of upcoming economic frontier together with Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia. US has become an observer there and can't do much in favor of India (even if wish to).

on the other hand, Other neighboring countries also have showed their interest in CPEC like Tajikistan, Kirgizstan.

Iran's interest in CPEC make India's investment in Chabahar become a oil repayment of $6 Billion that India bought. Hope fully paid by now.

Where India's credibility
* After supplying weapons to ISIS.

* Indians resistance to expansion from BRICS or BRCS +, because Pakistan is there.

* Indian contempt towards Nepal.
* Trying to derail Russian, Chinese and Pakistani effort for peaceful Afghanistan. (Where India was accommodated in talks after Pakistani efforts)

Indian role is not transparent. Both Afghan puppet government and Indian influence in Afghanistan is dependent on the existence of American forces and money. If in 16 years Americans failed to establish their wishful afghan government, how come India can do that? even with their Indian forces on ground (If they can dare to be there). US is cannot afford to fight another war anywhere by his own especially.

Technically in enmity of Pakistan bit by bit India is Isolating itself.

Please Add Turkey into the mix. Recent overtures regarding trade, economic and security rapport with Russia speak lots of volumes!!!! As for Pak, it gets as ancient as possible. As for the US home front, Putin has worked as a catalyst to activate the major fault lines to a new level. May GOD have mercy upon the USA...