PAF Wrecks Havoc On Millitants

[Irfan Baloch]

Krait cut it out man seriously ... you are a jr think tank start acting like one your comments are shifting from be decent /quality to becoming a obsession and hatered towards Pakistan just cut it out really what example are you towards others you are just feeding the trolls. BS towards our country will not be tolerated at all cost at the end of the day plz rem what site you or on bro fix your comments and posts nothing personal.

he is all right
what he says is a popular opinion against Pakistan anyway

finding of Bin Laden by Americans and not us is a national shame
its something that even Briton would have had hard time to explain and justify if for argument sake Bin laden was found out in one of the English leafy counties.

 

[karan.1970]

Earlier on Tuesday, security agencies had claimed to have killed 33 militants affiliated to the outlawed Lashkar-i-Islam (LI) and Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in multiple jet strikes conducted in the remote Tirah valley of Khyber and in the Mamozai area of Orakzai.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

Security forces kill 33 militants in Khyber, Orakzai agencies | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

The TTP spokesman however has claimed that only two of their fighters have died in the air strikes while rest of those killed were civilians.

The claims however could not be verified from any independent sources, as the area is totally inaccessible to the media.

 

[KRAIT]

Albeit, you have developed the known Indian habit of obsession Pakistan, must be a new credential for JTT.Let me enlighten you, there is a world of difference in Americans dying in India and an attack on US soil.
As for as terrorists go, seems these days just by waving a Saffron scarf, they can call shots and rule over a billion souls.

Well, as Jnr. TT, my point is presenting the counter argument as no one is speaking on behalf of US and everyone is bashing US. For a discussion, you need both sides of Coin and US and India are on same page on Terrorism.

Afghanistan was used for anti-India activity by our dear neighbor. Terrorists hiding in Pakistans or from Pakistans, have killed both US and Indian citizens. Their actions against Terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan have reduced Intrusions at borders and reduced terrorists attack in India.


For US, it doesn't matter where you kill American. For them, everything is same.

As for Saffron Terror, let Saffron people declare religious war and fly planes into two buildings. Then we can talk.

 

[KRAIT]

Krait cut it out man seriously ... you are a jr think tank start acting like one your comments are shifting from be decent /quality to becoming a obsession and hatered towards Pakistan just cut it out really what example are you towards others you are just feeding the trolls. BS towards our country will not be tolerated at all cost at the end of the day plz rem what site you or on bro fix your comments and posts nothing personal.

Sir, I am speaking on Behalf of Indians who are grateful to US which attacked Terrorist havens in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Intrusion at Kashmir decreased. Very less terrorist attacks. Normal life in Kashmir. Tourism on rise.

Its about my country.

They cooperated with us interrogating Headley but Pakistan refused to hand over Hafeez Saeed. KSA handed over Jundal to us.

I am a Jnr. Think Tank and I have to represent the thinking of common Indian.

You are angry because US strikes accidentally killed Pakistanis and TTP rose against Pakistan.

I am far much in control over my anger against Paksitan which deliberately and sent terrorists after terrorists in Kashmir since 1990s, Mumbai, killed women and Children, 50,000 in Kashmir, 160 in Mumbai. And gave asylum to LeT, JeM, etc.

 

[muse]

KRIAT:

Why have India not done what the US has done - initiate a court case against those India say are culpable and if convicted, go after them? Would this not get the US out of the loop or is it that India seek to have the US in the loop and fire off their shoulder, so to speak?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Security forces kill 33 militants in Khyber, Orakzai agencies | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

indeed
its down to you to decide whose version of events you will accept as true


the terrorists have very graphic and brutal way of proving their claims whereas the armies of the countries fighting this war dont have the luxury and just halfarsed press briefings with pointless maps that are recycled on every such press release

 

[KRAIT]

KRIAT:
Why have India not done what the US has done - initiate a court case against those India say are culpable and if convicted, go after them? Would this not get the US out of the loop or is it that India seek to have the US in the loop and fire off their shoulder, so to speak?

India has taken action against Samjhauta Express terrorists, c caught Col. Purohit and they are in Jail.

Dhan Singh, a prime suspect in the 2007 Samjhauta Express blast case, was on Monday arrested by the National Investigation Agency from Madhya Pradesh, the second person to be apprehended in the last two days.

The NIA had on December 15 arrested Rajender Chaudhary from Ujjain in Madhya Pradesh for his alleged involvement in carrying out the blast in the Pakistan-bound train.

The NIA has already arrested Kamal Chauhan, Aseemanand, Lokesh Sharma and Chaudhary.

The Hindu : News / National : Samjhauta Express blast: prime suspect arrested

Is this proof sufficient that India has caught and tried terrorists behind Samjhauta Express ?

India tried Kasab and hanged him. He got 4 year long trial.

India has also worked with US and approached UN, which declared as terrrorists.

The Republic of India has issued an Interpol Red Corner Notice against Saeed for his role in the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks. Additionally, the United States Department of the Treasury has designated Saeed as a Specially Designated National under

Executive Order 13224. Saeed was also individually designated by the United Nations under UNSCR 1267 in December 2008.

Lashkar-e-Tayyiba was designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization in December 2001. In April 2008, the United States designated Jamaat-ud-Dawa as a Foreign Terrorist Organization; similarly, the United Nations declared Jamaat-ud-Dawa a terrorist organization in December 20

Why this Terrorist organization working when we and US approached UN and they banned it and declared Hafeez Saeed Terrorist ?


Sit its about catching terrorists and trying them. We have done our part to catch those who killed Paksitanis in India.

We expect the same. But not a single person is behind bar for Mumbai attack.

Lets not go into these events.

 

[muse]

KRAIT:

These are crimes committed in India, including mumbai attack -- Shouldn't the Indian judicial system be in the lead - if there is evidence that can be successfully brought out in court, I think Indian judiciary should act.

Look, let me put it another way, exactly whose interests are being served by this "done me wrong in Mumbai and got away with it" tune so prevalent in India??

 

[karan.1970]

KRIAT:

Why have India not done what the US has done - initiate a court case against those India say are culpable and if convicted, go after them? Would this not get the US out of the loop or is it that India seek to have the US in the loop and fire off their shoulder, so to speak?

India does not have the muscle power that US has. Any aggressive action by India will result in very heavy losses on both sides as it will most probably descend into a full scale war on the home lands of both India and Pakistan. USA has the luxury of extreme advantage in sheer firepower and having its homeland shielded 10000 km away..

So in a nutshell, since US is doing more or less the same job, why question one's good fortune

Kind of ironical anyway.. I remember growing up reading Pakistan's demand of US mediation between India and Pak almost every other month.. Am sure Pak never imagined that US intervention would take this form or shape

indeed
its down to you to decide whose version of events you will accept as true


the terrorists have very graphic and brutal way of proving their claims whereas the armies of the countries fighting this war dont have the luxury and just halfarsed press briefings with pointless maps that are recycled on every such press release

Actually I have a problem believing both.. Both are unreliable

Hence the conundrum ....

 

[Windjammer]

Security forces kill 33 militants in Khyber, Orakzai agencies | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

Well, if you want to believe the Taliban scum just as a discredit to the Pakistan armed forces, then it's entirely your choice, nothing will change the ground realities, but keep in mind that going by Taliban's claim record, on average they tend to shoot down a US helicopter once a week.

Well, as Jnr. TT, my point is presenting the counter argument as no one is speaking on behalf of US and everyone is bashing US. For a discussion, you need both sides of Coin and US and India are on same page on Terrorism.

In this case, US and India are on same page. Afghanistan was used for anti-India activity by our dear neighbor. Terrorists hiding in Pakistans or from Pakistans, have killed both US and Indian citizens. Their actions against Terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan have reduced Intrusions at borders and reduced terrorists attack in India.


For US, it doesn't matter where you kill American. For them, everything is same.

As for Saffron Terror, let Saffron people declare religious war and fly planes into two buildings. Then we can talk.

India is also investing into and building the Afghanistan infrastructure, suffice to say that you are on the same table as the common Afghan people.....you know we still have a few million of them in Pakistan and believe me majority of them have nothing to do with terrorism and their only concern is survival, one wonders if India will honour it's commitment to Afghan people and accept few hundred thousand of these refugees to match the morals and tall claims one often hears from our Western neighbour..... it's easy to sit on the same table but then one should also lean not to complain about the table cloth stains.

Different terrorists operate in different methods, some shoot to kill, others blow them self up, some managed to fly planes into buildings while others specialise in fire bombing friendly trains.

 

[muse]

India does not have the muscle power that US has. Any aggressive action by India will result in very heavy losses on both sides as it will most probably descend into a full scale war on the home lands of both India and Pakistan. USA has the luxury of extreme advantage in sheer firepower and having its homeland shielded 10000 km away..

So in a nutshell, since US is doing more or less the same job, why question one's good fortune

Kind of ironical anyway.. I remember growing up reading Pakistan's demand of US mediation between India and Pak almost every other month.. Am sure Pak never imagined that US intervention would take this form or shape

So basically, get the US to act on behalf of Indian emotions and the US can face the consequences as well -- Maybe the US really is stupid enough to fall for this - but going by what they did in court, it seems for now "words" will have sooth the emotions of some Indian friends.

 

[karan.1970]

KRAIT:

These are crimes committed in India, including mumbai attack -- Shouldn't the Indian judicial system be in the lead - if there is evidence that can be successfully brought out in court, I think Indian judiciary should act.

Look, let me put it another way, exactly whose interests are being served by this "done me wrong in Mumbai and got away with it" tune so prevalent in India??

Indian judiciary has no jurisdiction in Pakistan. The actual executors of the attacks were in India, and they have been disposed off.. However the plan was hatched in Pakistan and planners are still there.. What do you propose Indian Judicial system should do there.?

So basically, get the US to act on behalf of Indian emotions and the US can face the consequences as well -- Maybe the US really is stupid enough to fall for this - but going by what they did in court, it seems for now "words" will have sooth the emotions of some Indian friends.

Its pretty simple.. For last 10 years or so, while the action is going on in Afghanistan, there has been significant increase in peace for India since all the islamic fundamentalist are away fighting that war.. No one is foolish enough to hope that USA will fight India's war at its cost. Its just that till the time the interests of USA and India are aligned, why question the benefits that India gets because of that. Even if the peace in India is a by product of America's own interests in Afg, does not make it any less beneficial.. Does it ?

 

[karan.1970]

Well, if you want to believe the Taliban scum just as a discredit to the Pakistan armed forces, then it's entirely your choice, nothing will change the ground realities, but keep in mind that going by Taliban's claim record, on average they tend to shoot down a US helicopter once a week.

As I said, not sure who to believe. Both have been proven wrong in past.

 

[muse]

Indian judiciary has no jurisdiction in Pakistan. However the plan was hatched in Pakistan and planners are still there.. What do you propose Indian Judicial system should do there.?

Not much -- so how will Justice be done or seen to be done?? Perhaps more emotion in the press and media?? Certainly more emotion will help the case of political movements and parties that may think they can do a better job??

Ok, seriously, how then can Indian get some sense of Justice? The whole US will act for us thing, is just fantasy - to get Justice or be seen to be getting Justice, our Indian friends should think how best to get Pakistan and Pakistani public opinion on their side - BTW one way that will not happen, is by calling for any Western power to be punitive - Pakistan don't play that!

 

[KRAIT]

KRAIT:
These are crimes committed in India, including mumbai attack -- Shouldn't the Indian judicial system be in the lead - if there is evidence that can be successfully brought out in court, I think Indian judiciary should act.
Look, let me put it another way, exactly whose interests are being served by this "done me wrong in Mumbai and got away with it" tune so prevalent in India??

Sir Judicial system did its work against Kasab, Its up to NIA and Govt. to give proof against masterminds of Mumbai attack. Pakistan rejected the previous one. Your judiciary failed to deliver as they cite not enough evidence whereas UN has declared HS, a terrorist. Its total failure of Pakistani investigation agency.

What do you expect us to do ? We are trying Diplomatic measures and took the case to UN. Judiciary don't approach UN. Govt. does. Judiciary is taking care of all the terrorists caught In India.

Jundal is in prison handed over by KSA. US cooperated with Headley case, Only Pakistan is not cooperating. No result after 4 years.
Afzal GUru has been Sentenced to Death.

PAF has to bombard the terrorists haven because Pakistani Judiciary ang Govt. couldn't even hang single terrorist that killed so many Pakistanis. What chance we have against the terrorists that killed Indians.

Only way is we asking US to attack those who attack us. Only US can do that. If we try, there will be war between India and Pakistan.

So yes, we have to instigate US to do our work while we help them in building Afghanistan.