PAF Today: Implications for India - Gp Capt B Menon

[SBD-3]

Pakistan should induct J-10 C and also induct either Euro Fighter or SU-35 and JF-17 BLOCK III should come fast. As for Air Defence systems we have lot of them and of different kinds and range.

Heck we're not even done paying JFT and Erieye loans. J-10C is a far-fetched though ATM, only spending source is FMS which can only be utilized to procure american platforms.

 

[cerberus]

Is that the reason why you had to resort to use bold letter and underline ones like a child !
It was you who went on emotional rant at the end of post not me

Using Key Bold Letters are Way to Put argument effectively (Its was contest we use Bold Letter in sentences In First Place )Off-course Its My way of representation And Confidence in My Facts I Put through Quoting is With Childish way Represent your psyche To Ridiculing it to Divert it So that the Contest of the Subject is Deviated

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[Kompromat]

Successful completion of CPEC might be a decisive factor in China releasing the J-20 sale for Pakistan.

 

[salarsikander]

Using Key Bold Letters are Way to Put argument effectively

No, is not. Thats like saying shouting is better way to argue than raising the quality of content

 

[Alphacharlie]

Wow!!
Fan Boy(s), I love you all.

1) Each Year IAF adds 1 SQN of SU30MKI, this implies 4 more SQNs by 2020. Super Sukhoi 2018
2) By 2018 1 SQN of LCA will be complete, Its still Better than Mig21 Bison
3) Navy is adding 1 more Mig29k SQN this is confirmed as replacement of Sea Lions, this SQN will be OCU
4) By 2020 Mirage 2000 will be called Mirage 2005 Mark 2, all MIG29 will be mig 29 SMT
5) 2 More Phalcons + 3 more Desi AWACs
6) Missiles - R27, 77,73, kh Series, Derby, Python4/5, MICA, Meteor
7) Even with these Numbers we can give a Solid Retort to PLAAF by 2020 excluding Hypotheticals

So 2020 = 4+1+1 = atleast 6 more SQNs

32 +6 = 38 SQNs (atleast)

Now Hypothetical
1) Rafale 36 Birds by 2020, this deal is done---2SQN still excluded
2) LCA Production line for atlest 100 Jets in Next 1 Yr will go to Pvt Player.
3)F18 the way discussions are proceeding by 2018 Production line will be Up AND RUNNING
4) Navy needs atleast 2 SQNs for IAC -I with 1 SQN more as OCU

PAF
1) As per Fighter SQN Count gives 19.5 SQNs
2) At rate of 18 A/c where 2 are trainers PAF has 350-360 Jets NOT 450 pls.
3) PAF will add atleast 3 more JF17 SQNs
4) What about 7 SQNs of Mig 21 Type 15 aka J-7 and Mirage 3/5
5) F16 Even though MLUED the F16 A/B airframes 1984 are Interceptors not Ground attack, your Nation will need to retire at lest 10 to 18 Birds from list of 80. As ground attack roles have worned the life out by Ground attack roles (Afghan War usage to Zarb Series)
6) Missiles - Chinese Copy (?) American AIM 120 c-5 (? Delivered Yet ?)

Where will PAF get 4SQNs of 4th Gen Birds ?
Can you think PAF Jf17 120 facing 310 Su 30 MKI
I remember 1984 we used to Shiver of PAF, look what your leaders like Nawaz Not so Sharif have done!!

Mig 29SMT & Mirage 2005 Mark2 is as Good as F16 Block 60

NOTE - GCU not included. AD Units excluded

IAF is not that Bad in shape in 2020 as well
Just 10 SQNs comprising of Su 30, Mirage 2005, and Mig29SMT with Phalcon Support can wreak Havoc on PAF.

Your leadership should add more muscle, A strong Airforce needs to be seeded and nurtured. Doctrines need to be created, Confidence of Men and Nation needs to be bult up.

If anyone says I love to Die for my Nation then he is Biggest Loser. No military would like to increase its Costs....

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Successful completion of CPEC might be a decisive factor in China releasing the J-20 sale for Pakistan.

J 20 is powered by AL 31 ; hence cannot be exported

J 31 is powered by RD 93 ; hence can be exported

 

[Kompromat]

J-20 and J-31 both are slated for new Chinese turbofans which are in advance stages of development.

J 20 is powered by AL 31 ; hence cannot be exported

J 31 is powered by RD 93 ; hence can be exported

 

[Stephen Cohen]

IF USAF comes to your assist you will lose the support of Russian Air force

Russian Air force is busy in Ukraine ;Syria and is looking for ways to attack Turkey
who downed their plane

They wont come to HELP INDIA

Any way Russia is TOO big

It needs to patrol its air space and
ALSO keep an eye on Arctic ocean ; Pacific Ocean -- Alaska AND Atlantic ocean

J-20 and J-31 both are slated for new Chinese turbofans which are in advance stages of development.

That is good news

So Pakistan should Also Buy J 10 ; powered by WS 10 ; if it is finally ready

 

[Kompromat]

J-10's time has come and gone for Pakistan. PAF's next acquisition will be a Stealth fighter.

Russian Air force is busy in Ukraine ;Syria and is looking for ways to attack Turkey
who downed their plane

They wont come to HELP INDIA

Any way Russia is TOO big

It needs to patrol its air space and
ALSO keep an eye on Arctic ocean ; Pacific Ocean -- Alaska AND Atlantic ocean



That is good news

So Pakistan should Also Buy J 10 ; powered by WS 10 ; if it is finally ready

 

[Stephen Cohen]

J-10's time has come and gone for Pakistan. PAF's next acquisition will be a Stealth fighter.

Good for PAF ; CHEERS

 

[Butchcassidy]

I highly doubt that there ever will be a war between india and pakistan, and even if there is one china joing it is too far fetched. So guys enjoys and drink lassi

 

[mkb95]

J-10's time has come and gone for Pakistan. PAF's next acquisition will be a Stealth fighter.

when do you think j31 will arrive in paf?

 

[Tipu7]

1) Each Year IAF adds 1 SQN of SU30MKI, this implies 4 more SQNs by 2020. Super Sukhoi 2018

Seriously?

2) By 2018 1 SQN of LCA will be complete, Its still Better than Mig21 Bison

Its still ''plan'' ............ and when it comes to LCA, ''planning'' and delays are directly propositional to each other.

3) Navy is adding 1 Mig29k this is confirmed as replacement of Sea Lions, this SQN will be OCU

IAF should learn from IN. IN schedules and plans work much better compared to those of IAF.

4) By 2020 Mirage 2000 will be called Mirage 2005 Mark 2

Call them whatever you want. What type of up gradations they carry is more important. But its after 2020 and we are dealing with cases before 2020.

5) 2 More Phalcons + 3 more Desi AWACs
6) Missiles - R27, 77,73, kh Series, Derby, Python4/5, MICA, Meteor

I do believe it will happen

So 2020 = 4+1+1 = atleast 6 more SQNs

32 +6 = 38 SQNs (atleast)

You are adding new while keeping the old?
What about Squadrons of Mig21 and Mig27? Aren't they gonna get replacement first? And then addition of new squadrons will take place?

1) As per Fighter SQN Count gives 19.5 SQNs

2) At rate of 18 A/c where 2 are trainers PAF has 350-360 Jets NOT 450 pls.

Gonna increase, but after replacing legacy aircrafts. If IAF will grow in size, so will PAF.

3) PAF will add atleast 3 more JF17 SQNs

With production rate of 24 aircrafts per year, PAF will be adding 8 more squadrons (including the recent sqd2)

4) What about 7 SQNs of Mig 21 Type 15 aka J-7 and Mirage 3/5

Getting replaced, F7PG will stay untill 2022. All rest will leave PAF by 2020.

5) F16 Even though MLUED the F16 A/B airframes 1984 are Interceptors not Ground attack, you Nation will need to retire at lest 10 to 18 Birds from list of 80.

F16 MLU are bombing terrorists from past decade. Don't know from where you ''produced'' this assumption.

6) Missiles - Chinese Copy (?) American AIM 120 c-5 (? Delivered Yet ?)

''Chinese copy'' have proved its worth in drills, will prove its worth in combat too.
AIM120 are part of F16 inventory from long time.

Where will PAF get 4SQNs of 4th Gen Birds ? JH17 is out dated bird too Heavy for its structure. Can you think PAF Jf17 120 facing 310 Su 30 MKI

Yup.

Mig 29SMT & Mirage 2005 Mark2 is as Good as F16 Block 60

BULL $HIT


Your ''analysis'' forces me to not to take any thing coming from you seriously.
I wasted my time quoting every point and in the end realised that you are not the one i was thinking off. ROFL

when do you think j31 will arrive in paf?

Depends on IAF progress in FGFA. After 2020 very likely.
or May be PAF don't pursue this jet at all. Too soon to say any thing.

 

[Kompromat]

PAF is examining a number of options including the J-31. I can only make a guesstimate at this stage because the final decision is about two years away. I can confirm that PAF has indeed test flown the J-31 prototype (only foreign country to have done so), so going by figures we are looking at 2021-22 induction if this purchase goes ahead.

when do you think j31 will arrive in paf?

 

[cerberus]

No, is not. Thats like saying shouting is better way to argue than raising the quality of content

Vice-versa Argument You use Are Lack qualitative Content Either in that Contest
Use of One Liners & Personal Attacks was Frequent Norm Represented From your Part Too.The Way use To Subdue @Abingdonboy Argument By Going Personal Sorry To Say It Not Nice Way to Be Qualitative Either