PAF to get extra F-16 Block-52+ ?

[Green Arrow]

I think it is a good move and will boost our defence capabilities

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I'm not necessarily suggesting to spend all the resources on one platform. Of course, diversification is the way forward, but that's a long term project. However, on a more urgent basis, we need the JF-17 to replace the bulk of obsolete platforms. Most importantly, we need new airframes! Not second-hand fatigued airframes (even if they had an MLU upgrade).

That's exactly what I'm trying to point out. Rather, the capacity issue needs to be addressed. China could assist accordingly in this regard. The PAF is eventually going to "mass migrate" to the JF-17 platform sooner rather than later. One can only postpone the migration process by acquiring more F-16s.

Also, you don't necessarily have to produce massive amounts of JF-17 fighter jets per year. This can be adjusted to budget and technical constraints. As long as it happens which is most important. Eventually, overtime the obsolete platforms will be replaced. Even if it takes longer than initially planned. Pakistan has already invested massive amounts in training facilities etc. I don't find this a valid reason for acquiring more F-16s.

Yes, I know. It's very tempting to go for second-hand F-16 airframes being decommissioned all around the world. Yes, the familiarity aspect also plays a huge role in decision-making. Although, I've tried to sum up the pros and cons. In my view, the cons outweigh the pros. The F-16 merely serves as a stopgap which is eventually going to be completely phased out.

I'm aware of the current situation faced by Pakistan. Pakistan needs more choppers on an urgent basis to fight insurgents. Frankly, the fighter jets can wait a little while longer if we look at it that way.

F16's would be flying in PAF till 2030 at least. JF 17's would be an integral part of PAF and would serve till 2050 or may be more.

 

[Jungibaaz]

If PAF has the money, using the option of extra new Block 52+ F-16s is a sound option. But that's a big IF.
Take all news on procurement with a few tons and truck loads full of salt, pray for the best, expect the bare minimum until the country's economy starts recovering.

 

[rockstar08]

interesting wish list by Pakistan on the American desk ..
let see what we have here ,,
what many members here failed to examine that what Pakistan ask from US is nothing new , its been in speculation from years now ...
so what if US will give those weapons to Pak ??
F-16's are always the like newly bride for Paf , but i was wondering why only 8-10 ?? why not the remaining 18 which is due ???
Ah-1z are good, and maybe we will see some flexibility from US in selling those helo to Pak , because as now we are getting Mi35, with option to get mi28 ..once these Mi35 are in Pa inventory , it can be a stop gap, and will take the place of Cobra is COIN operations ...

US will also try to maintain power balance in region , Indians are buying Rafale , and have 200+ mki , the only plane paf has to counter mki are F-16's , another 18 blk 52 will fulfill a huge gap ....

but for Ah-1z its just a bluff played by Pakistan , if US wont provide these heli to Pak , they wont be disappointed and start Crying like a baby , now we have multiple options ,increasing Arms deal with Russian will trigger some worry in the pentagon , cause they are not in position to leave a ally like Pakistan ..

and As far as OHP is concern , again its a old deal , old ship , and blooody useless ship ... i would pay China to Build 2 f-22p for PN instead of going for these , which will be stripped , this ship will be sitting duck infront of any IN ship .. I think Navy is trying to so corruption here , buying those old ships with huge ZERO benefit ...

 

[Rafi]

The Mi35 is the world first and only, infantry fighting helicopter.

 

[Syed Hussain]

F16's would be flying in PAF till 2030 at least. JF 17's would be an integral part of PAF and would serve till 2050 or may be more.

In 2030/50 time frame, even the "stones" will be advanced enough to shoot down things like F-16 & JF-17...!

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

In 2030/50 time frame, even the "stones" will be advanced enough to shoot down things like F-16 & JF-17...!

If you do some minor calculations this is about the right time for these aircraft to end. 2030 is 15yrs and 1 month form now it is about 5000 hrs average per plane PAF F16s MLU would give them these. F16 Blk50/52 would also be around same number of hours.
JF-17 would evolve at a rate of 50 Aircraft per block so the total number that PAF intends would be reached by 2025 so this would give PAF 15 to 20 years. These might be by then not the ones we are operating at present but may be stealth.

 

[dil_dil]

Which most probably he is. I don't see the tell-tale signs of a native English speaker in his posts.

his english is not better then mine and i learned to write english on PDF pdf helped me to pass foregien language test .

He is 100% Indian in USA.

 

[araz]

yes Israel has, and some of believe we should abandon Israel to the wolves.

well Good luck trying that. Unless you want to do it in your dreams.

 

[araz]

India will never engage in this sort of nonsense (infringe others' IPR rights for a foreign player) and has a decent reputation on the matter, I don't know what the situation is with the Chinese and Paksitan but to be fair I would say the US are shrewd enough to keep their IPR intact in Pakistan. Didn't I hear the US tell the PAF to keep the F-16s are different bases from the JF-17s or at least away from Chinese engineers? Also many parts in the F-16s have digital seals and only Lockheed Martin can gain access to certain parts of the plane.

Bhai.
You are right that the Indians would not do that. However although the conditions may not have been specified but they remain common for most foreign vendors. As to why Indian conditions do not get publicized the reason is simply because
a. They have the money and
b. They are needed to neutralize the Chinese. All countries play whore to the US stud. The ones that do not get treated like Afghanistan and Iraq.
Araz

 

[he-man]

Bhai.
You are right that the Indians would not do that. However although the conditions may not have been specified but they remain common for most foreign vendors. As to why Indian conditions do not get publicized the reason is simply because
a. They have the money and
b. They are needed to neutralize the Chinese. All countries play whore to the US stud. The ones that do not get treated like Afghanistan and Iraq.
Araz

Include syria,libya,iran and the latest entrant russia

 

[Hurter]

Via Pak Def. Pakistan wants eight F-16 Block-52+ aircrafts, 3 OHP frigates and requested the sale of AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters to replace the AH-1F/S Cobras. I was told the same thing by a PAF source a few months ago. Is it likely that Pakistan will exercise the option for the total 18 extra F-16s or buy more surplus ones from the US ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/534541051579883520

Will Pakistan get Brand New Block 52 if the deal approves?

 

[SomaliaSupport]

Why not buy 18 Ми-35 М ??

 

[SomaliaSupport]

Make a simple deal: Give Sergey Shoigu your military base at 10 years and take clearance sale 20-25% or maybe more. Just a business !!

He need a nice place for one of this, Ил-38Н anti-submarine aircraft.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Addition of atleast 2 more squadron of F-16 Block 52 with active JF-17 Block II and Block III productions followed by J-31 onwards 2020 is the best PAF can get

The block 52 is used to replace the aging block 15 I believe, since J-31 is still 5-10 years away.