PAF shoot down IAF SU-30 MKI l News & Discussion

[Cookie Monster]

What was the aircraft which was shot down by abhinandan, F16 or j17.
Most probably it was F16, as they were at the front, as J17 was hiding behind.

To score a point against JF17 hiding...u first invented the fictional scenario of F16 being downed...
...that's just sad.

 

[Cookie Monster]

two points
1. we have no photographic evidence of PL-15 being carried by thunders
2. KLJ-7A might not fully utilize PL-15 range which thought to be around 150km(much longer & heavier than meteor but range close to it). it could be a reason why PAF might not equip them with block 1-2s. Unlike the sd10 & aim120c, pl15 is not a single burn rocket but rather is pulse rocket engine
meteor was not offered with mirage 2000 for same reason its radar being pretty weak(thats what the french told the indains)

What about PL15 launched from JF17 Block III but guided by an AWAC its datalinked with? Like if an Erieye is in the area...it can provide guiding info right?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

The ball is in indias court to get their Su 30 MKI counted for the world. not for us to prove anything

 

[DrWatson775]

Actually it were JF-17s that crossed the LOC and targeted Indian Brigade HQ......PAF could afford to lose JF-17s that's why they were sent in and had your SU-30s and Mirage-2000s constantly locked, through desperation their pilots asked Indian ground defences to engage PAF jets, who obliged by shooting down own helicopter which was sent to locate and rescue the downed SU-30 crew.
And if Abhindan engaged the battle with his drop tanks on, then IAF is better off employing airline pilots.

Hi
Its not about affording to lose an aircraft; the reason F16s were not used for strike was a political/diplomatic decision by PAF IMO. This probably was one of the reasons the US shut India up when they cried about Amraams. JF17s were used for strike as well as CAP/counter-air which was a great decision.

 

[ziaulislam]

What about PL15 launched from JF17 Block III but guided by an AWAC its datalinked with? Like if an Erieye is in the area...it can provide guiding info right?

block III AESA radar range is in excess of 150km..so it can utilize the PL -15 and future BVRs without external help

 

[Signalian]

two points
1. we have no photographic evidence of PL-15 being carried by thunders
2. KLJ-7A might not fully utilize PL-15 range which thought to be around 150km(much longer & heavier than meteor but range close to it). it could be a reason why PAF might not equip them with block 1-2s. Unlike the sd10 & aim120c, pl15 is not a single burn rocket but rather is pulse rocket engine
meteor was not offered with mirage 2000 for same reason its radar being pretty weak(thats what the french told the indains)

PL-15 is active radar guided, why would it need full guidance from KLJ radar?

 

[Signalian]

What about PL15 launched from JF17 Block III but guided by an AWAC its datalinked with? Like if an Erieye is in the area...it can provide guiding info right?

That should be in the works, however AWACS is important because it shares awareness thus information. SAAB Erieye has this feature of guiding Aim120 from Gripen.

 

[Cookie Monster]

block III AESA radar range is in excess of 150km..so it can utilize the PL -15 and future BVRs without external help

Meant to say Block II...but I got my answer already...thanks

 

[ziaulislam]

PL-15 is active radar guided, why would it need full guidance from KLJ radar?

terminal seekers are used for terminal guidance.. you would still need something to take to that stage
in theory you can just give the missles one time co-coordinates and leave it to the terminal seeker to seek the target but that is assuming the target would still be within the seeker's range/the field of vision

 

[Nomad40]

I will tell you what happened, Sardar was shot down by keranchi wala, End of story.

 

[Signalian]

terminal seekers are used for terminal guidance.. you would still need something to take to that stage
in theory you can just give the missles one time co-coordinates and leave it to the terminal seeker to seek the target but that is assuming the target would still be within the seeker's range/the field of vision

so how about other radars in the area ? say AWACS or ground based radar. Why do you need full utilisation of PL-15 range, why not make use of no escape zone considering that distances in Pak-India war may not be that much?

 

[airomerix]

The AMRAAM was detonated at 51 degrees of the target aircraft (with 0 degree being nose cone & 180 degree being the rear) at the range of 30-40 nm (ball park figure)

And no, i will not reveal my sources. Dont ask please. This information will come out one day or another.

 

[ejaz007]

Shooting down F16 and Su3o mki is BS claims from both countries... the simple answer

Not entirely BS. We have the trophy.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

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Not entirely BS. We have the trophy.

You are free to make 300 and have with BS claims. I don't mind..

 

[Arsalan 345]

Sir, the evidence provided by paf, the same as provided by iaf.

But later u added that US has counted the total inventory of your f16.

Other hand, Iaf showcased the both aircraft's by flying together.

If I just talk about truthless stories then I could add:

About showcasing of missile with could be BS as PAf could have got wreckage from one missile from some where (could be from china or any) and displayed...

India shown the missile wreckage caused for too many Truthless stories in PDF.

The simple is that o don't belived on any such stories without back by solid proof and so for me both are just BS claims..

Bro you proved nothing by flying su-30 later.do you think we will accept that it was the same plane involved on 27? I mean use your common sense. When we say we hit it,we hit it. It doesn't matter what happened next. There were two jets on the ground,totally destroyed,not one.you know it,I know it. We will see the truth in the coming years.