PAF pilots in combat with IDF/AF

[The Accountant]

I would not have quoted you unless you try to create a false impression by quoting things from Quran out of the context ...

First of all you have to make up your mind are you justifying creation of Israel on religious basis or on modern standards ??? On modern standards there is no law in the world which can honour your 2000 years old historical claim on the land otherwise you just discard flag of Pakistan and handover your land to Hindus who were living here earlier than Muslims ....

On religious front ,, do you even know the history of Jews,,, Quran has specifically told us that due to attitude of jews they were banished twice from jeruslaem ... their crime was to reject prophet and they were allowed to return to the land only after accepting the leads of prophets ...

Last time i checked jews has rejected Jesus (AS) and as result they were punished again for the thired and last time ... so how can you say that Allah gave them the land ? They were under pnishment of Allah from 2000 years to conspire to kill Jesus (AS) ... they have no religious claim on the land as it belongs to muslims both as per religious scriptures and modern standard of the world ...

Furthermore how can you ignore hadiths of Prophet SAW specifically saying that jews will spread corruption in the world in the leadership of dajjal who will rule from his throne in jerusalem ...

In the interest of those who will read this afterwards and of no inclination of engaging in a debate with you.

The land of the Jews was handed to them by God,
The Quran is clear about it.
The Qibla WAS aqsa, and then it was changed to Kaaba.
The Quran is clear that God wanted to test how people DISASSOCIATE from Aqsa and adopt kaaba.

Thereby the definition of Haram al Sharif is Kaaba.

There is no grades of most respect, and second most respected and third most respected sites in Quran.
Only Haram al Sharif.

Now, take a good look at my profile,
do not quote me again.

 

[saba shahid]

May I ask who the hell gave you this right to fight on behalf of Muslims all over the world? First feed your own country-(wo)men, educate them, protect them from daily terrorist attacks etc then talk about being a regional or any player. We Indian Muslims do not need your advocacy or help. Stay Off.

Hay listen you wannabe muslim, do you know that in Islam there is nothing like nationalism? Being a muslim you are asking a muslim who gave you the right to fight for all the muslims? I dont think that you are a muslim you might be having a spam id or you are a murtad. Listen so called muslim, Islam is itself is a nation thats why establishing caliphate is bigger than namaz. And when one muslim nation is under attack you are suppose to help them. See I always wanted to know what was the two nation theory and now I found. Living with hindus you are not even a muslim anymore your religion is completely changed.

lol you know what is true thats why deleted my comment.

 

[The Accountant]

Hay listen you wannabe muslim, do you know that in Islam there is nothing like nationalism? Being a muslim you are asking a muslim who gave you the right to fight for all the muslims? I dont think that you are a muslim you might be having a spam id or you are a murtad. Listen so called muslim, Islam is itself is a nation thats why establishing caliphate is bigger than namaz. And when one muslim nation is under attack you are suppose to help them. See I always wanted to know what was the two nation theory and now I found. Living with hindus you are not even a muslim anymore your religion is completely changed.

lol you know what is true thats why deleted my comment.

Dear sister ... i also believe that islam is above nationalism but i would like to himbly request you that you have no right to declare anyone non.muslim or murtad untill and unless he openly denies the basic principles of islam ... so on political front a person can have different views and whether he was correct or not is to be judged by Allah not me and you ...

We are already divided alot so kindly please restrain from further division ...

 

[CriticalThought]

@saba shahid @The Accountant the person is a known Indian troll. Don't give this person more oxygen. Replying to the post gives opportunity for further trolling.

@saba shahid please refrain from declaring anyone non-Muslim without solid evidence. The situation is very, very sensitive. According to a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallam, comprehension of the words: "Two things always affect someone, either the person saying them, or the one about whom they are said: Kufr and La'anat (curse)". That is, either the person is actually a Kafir, otherwise the person saying it will become Kafir. And similarly, either the person deserve La'anat, i.e., curse, otherwise the person saying it will receive th La'anat.

So please seek Allah's forgiveness and refrain.

 

[saba shahid]

Dear sister ... i also believe that islam is above nationalism but i would like to himbly request you that you have no right to declare anyone non.muslim or murtad untill and unless he openly denies the basic principles of islam ... so on political front a person can have different views and whether he was correct or not is to be judged by Allah not me and you ...

We are already divided alot so kindly please restrain from further division ...

@saba shahid @The Accountant the person is a known Indian troll. Don't give this person more oxygen. Replying to the post gives opportunity for further trolling.

@saba shahid please refrain from declaring anyone non-Muslim without solid evidence. The situation is very, very sensitive. According to a Hadith of Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa Aalihi Wasallam, comprehension of the words: "Two things always affect someone, either the person saying them, or the one about whom they are said: Kufr and La'anat (curse)". That is, either the person is actually a Kafir, otherwise the person saying it will become Kafir. And similarly, either the person deserve La'anat, i.e., curse, otherwise the person saying it will receive th La'anat.

So please seek Allah's forgiveness and refrain.

Yeah I know that but do you think after reading what he was saying? Do you think that a muslim can say such thing?

 

[The Accountant]

Yeah I know that but do you think after reading what he was saying? Do you think that a muslim can say such thing?

Are we allowed to take such decision ? Allah knows better ...

 

[The Accountant]

I am not declaring him by myself but the way he is talking if you read any Islamic book you will understand that he has no idea about Islam its just that he looks like a non muslim to me a true muslim would never say anything like that or I mean how could a muslim say anything like that? And you tell me isnt he openly denying? Isnt he supporting non muslims who are killing muslims? Isnt that what his statement says?

Sister it will make him sinner but non muslims ... there is a huge difference ... for example skipping namaz is one of the biggest crime in islam but can we declare him non.muslim on the fact that he is not offering namaz ? No we cant... however the moment he started saying that namaz is not compulsory in islam then we declare it a non.muslim ... similarly if a muslim has different political views about the world ... even different then real teachings of islam as having same political views is not mandatory requirement to become a muslim ... however for his sins he will answere at the judgement day ...

@CriticalThought i agree ... i dont care about that troll ... i am just trying to tell the lady and for the benefits of other leaders that our attitude of declaring every other person murtid or kafir is extremely wrong ... and thanks for explaining my point further ...

Just answere him my Allah and his prophet (SAW) gave me the authority ... not to fight for the rights of fellow muslims but also for the whole humanity who is being miss treated by the powerful disregarding of their religion ...

Leave rest for the judgement day ... this is the real teachings of Islam ...

I am not declaring him by myself but the way he is talking if you read any Islamic book you will understand that he has no idea about Islam its just that he looks like a non muslim to me a true muslim would never say anything like that or I mean how could a muslim say anything like that? And you tell me isnt he openly denying? Isnt he supporting non muslims who are killing muslims? Isnt that what his statement says?


I completely agree with you and I have a lot of respect in my heart for you but please just answer me, will a MUSLIM and I really mean a MUSLIM the preacher of ISLAM and MUHAMMAD SAW will say this to another MUSLIM "May I ask who the hell gave you this right to fight on behalf of Muslims all over the world?". Just answer me that.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hay listen you wannabe muslim, do you know that in Islam there is nothing like nationalism? Being a muslim you are asking a muslim who gave you the right to fight for all the muslims? I dont think that you are a muslim you might be having a spam id or you are a murtad. Listen so called muslim, Islam is itself is a nation thats why establishing caliphate is bigger than namaz. And when one muslim nation is under attack you are suppose to help them. See I always wanted to know what was the two nation theory and now I found. Living with hindus you are not even a muslim anymore your religion is completely changed.

lol you know what is true thats why deleted my comment.

Hi,

Welcome to the forum---. Ignorance is a bliss---.

Islam does not take the identity of an individual away---it only creates equality while keeping their identity intact---.

If you have been told otherwise---then you have been lied to and if you believe in it---then you have problems like many pakistanis do.

If Allah wanted to create us as one---he would have created us in the same color and given us one language to speak---.

Now I need to take my old lady somewhere---will continue.

 

[SQ8]

Okay when I was in 9th we use to study Islamiat as our subject and in that book we had to surahs, Surah Infal and Surah Ahzab. Now if you want to know what makes a muslim non muslim you should read surah ahzab where it is clearly mention about the person who ditches his own ummah and help kufar against us. I know what you are trying to say but here the story is different, let me explain it to you. When a muslim helps a non muslim who is killing muslims he is non as murtad do you understand that? Now he is not just helping he is a part of that non muslim community. I have told you the reference you can go and read about it in surah ahzab and I hope your next reply would be after reading surah ahzab.

Instead of trying to repeat "have you read" and then paraphrasing the Quran of all books without any exact references; why don't you show exactly where what is said and which translation you are bringing as proof instead of wasting this thread with 9th or 10th grade or anything your qari sb once said 7 years ago.

This is religion, not a movie plot that can be summed up based on memory.
Please bring reference and proof or avoid posting on religion.
That goes for everyone

 

[saba shahid]

Hi,

Welcome to the forum---. Ignorance is a bliss---.

Islam does not take the identity of an individual away---it only creates equality while keeping their identity intact---.

If you have been told otherwise---then you have been lied to and if you believe in it---then you have problems like many pakistanis do.

If Allah wanted to create us as one---he would have created us in the same color and given us one language to speak---.

Now I need to take my old lady somewhere---will continue.

Much obliged, thanks
Being a muslim means that you all have one identity and you all are one nation. The color of the skin has nothing to do in Islam nor I have said anything about it. When everyone dies the language in which they answer in grave is arabic and our holy book is in arabic so yeah in a manner we can say we do have one language. In fact it is the biggest reason of not understanding Quran that we can read Arabic but we cant understand it.

Instead of trying to repeat "have you read" and then paraphrasing the Quran of all books without any exact references; why don't you show exactly where what is said and which translation you are bringing as proof instead of wasting this thread with 9th or 10th grade or anything your qari sb once said 7 years ago.

This is religion, not a movie plot that can be summed up based on memory.
Please bring reference and proof or avoid posting on religion.
That goes for everyone

No one said anything about qari sb its a surah in Quran which is the holy book of muslims if you ever had a chance to meet any muslim you might have heard about it.

 

[surya kiran]

where it is clearly mention about the person who ditches his own ummah and help kufar against us

Then most Pakistanis are whatever you call them, right? Since you helped the 'Maghrabi thakathein' against Afghans. So all the people in Pakistan who support and in fact everybody in the PA are non muslims is it? Logic fail?

Btw @Jungibaaz @waz @The Eagle religious discussion on a air war thread.

 

[saba shahid]

Then most Pakistanis are whatever you call them, right? Since you helped the 'Maghrabi thakathein' against Afghans. So all the people in Pakistan who support and in fact everybody in the PA are non muslims is it? Logic fail?

Btw @Jungibaaz @waz @The Eagle religious discussion on a air war thread.

People who support anyone not just muslims who is killing someone for no reason are also murderer and have no place in Islam. Getting help from a non muslim to fight against another non muslim is completely just and fine as long as you are on the good side.

What is with Pakistan and glorying lost wars? The fact remains Israel kicked the @ss of all Arab and supporting countries including Pakistan real bad in just six days. It's like after losing the match stating, our players really played the 34th over very nicely although you lost the match by 200 runs.

Now since you somehow able to understand what is a computer and how to use it and I dont know how you are able to post in a forum since you are so dumb. Do you really think that Israel is alone and with the population of about 9 million they could defeat everyone? I mean why are you so dumb to write anything like that? Or how can someone be so dumb to write anything like that? Israel is america and they have always engaged arab countries in war never gave them the time to develop or make any progress. Israeli lobby controls amercia and you are feeling proud that a nation who controls super power won against countries like Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.

 

[saba shahid]

Fact is Israel defeated an adversary which outnumbered and outgunned it in six days because right of the first day IAF gained total air superiority, IAF caught Egyptian Air-force on the ground and made it a chicken slaughter. Arabs and allies were humiliated because their Air-force were no match for IAF. No doubt maybe some pilot somewhere in the Arab coalition (Pakistani or Otherwise) would have achieved a feat somewhere but overall Israeli air-force and their pilots had the Arab coalition for breakfast. After such a humiliating defeat it's odd that somebody will bring up an incident to boost about it.

First thing is that he is not talking about the war he is just talking about the achievements of Pakistani pilots though I think that it is still bad since all countries were defeated by Israel. Now lets come to you why are you using words like that chicken slaughter? humiliated? They are all small countries with not much arm forces and Israel posses a huge armory and arsenal they even have nukes. How can you call that bravery? What will you call a guy 100 times bigger beat the hell out of you and after that saying we chicken slaughter them? Now lets talk about the pilots it is a fact that our pilots are far far better than yours. It is a fact that Pakistani pilots were good in the war against Israel and one of our pilots also destroyed your 5 aircraft in less than a minute but I also admit that almost 80,000 Pakistani troops were also captured when Dhaka fell. So the thing is that you are taking credit of this that you were not even involved in what you have to do in Israel vs Muslims war? What you have to do if post about the success of our pilots? I totally agree with that, that since muslims lost that war we should not be talking about our pilots and whatnot, but again you have no right to say anything about that. You just dont want to admit if you admit we can talk we can share views we can even have a good conversation or make it a chat but you are just full of hate I dont know why. You hate muslims we hate Indians because they are killing muslims in kashmir and by which I mean that I equally hate muslims who support india in kashmir conflict. Please just dont do that you know about the strength of israel you also know that arab countries are no match for them but again you are full of hate just wanted to say bad things about muslims.

and on top of that pakistanies feel to take prde in there role in so called anty israel wars while same saudies treat pakistanies like there paid ghulams and we all saw how they treated there PM just a few weeks back and the same saudies are doing full buisness with israel while same pakistanies have not even aknowledged israel so who is at loss shah se jyada shah ke wafadaar

That has nothing to do with the relationship it was something religious. It had nothing to do with money or anything else now I know Pakistan treat everyone as they owe them something but in that case it was just for religion. And one other thing I want to tell you what our PM does it had nothing to do with Islam or opinion of every Paksitani so not admitting israel is for the solidarity with the people of Palestine like you people think that Kashmir is a part of India but we dont admit that nor does the world.

 

[saba shahid]

I'm a Hindu I care less about internal issue and fights of 2000 year old Abrahamic religions but we aren't discussing religion here or are we? Even if we are then on that day God was on Israel's side. In just a day Israel destroyed 2/3rd of combined Air-force of Arabs. Arabs lost 450 aircraft compared to 46 of Israel’s. If that is called good performance by air-force of Arab country then I don't know what a cr@p performance is?

Dude you are a hindu you have no idea about the history you are a guy who goes to wikipedia to seek the truth its completely useless to argue with you in this matter it was a war not a freakin salman khan movie where you are 46 guys and man fight against 450 bad muscular guys and at the end you beat the crap out of them. And just to remind you when we talk about isreal we talk about religion because that is the cause muslims jews are at war.

I'm a Hindu I care less about internal issue and fights of 2000 year old Abrahamic religions but we aren't discussing religion here or are we? Even if we are then on that day God was on Israel's side. In just a day Israel destroyed 2/3rd of combined Air-force of Arabs. Arabs lost 450 aircraft compared to 46 of Israel’s. If that is called good performance by air-force of Arab country then I don't know what a cr@p performance is?



Losing 720 square miles and capturing just 220 square miles after initiating a surprise war is a victory only in the books of Pakistanis. You may well claim that Pakistan defeated Israel in the six day way, it were the Arabs who lost.

what are you 10 or 12 years old?

 

[Fireurimagination]

Dude you are a hindu you have no idea about the history you are a guy who goes to wikipedia to seek the truth its completely useless to argue with you in this matter it was a war not a freakin salman khan movie where you are 46 guys and man fight against 450 bad muscular guys and at the end you beat the crap out of them. And just to remind you when we talk about isreal we talk about religion because that is the cause muslims jews are at war.

So, is there any other version of the six day war? Did or did not Israel destroyed almost entire Arab fleet on the first day of the war? Is Operation Focus (If I am not mistaken that was the name) a hoax? There may be a religious angle in the said war but religious beliefs don't win wars. Superior firepower, skills and strategies do. Israel still holds on to the land it captured then in that said war. The fact remains that Israeli pilot and Air-force came out on top in the said war, why not accept a simple, given fact instead of beating around the bush?

what are you 10 or 12 years old?

Maybe if you remove Saturdays, Sundays and Government holidays