PAF New Batch J-10 C Spotted

[SQ8]

Let me put cold water on this active cancellation myth now.


Okay, lets quickly look at RCS of an aircraft:

This is a very basic example, however, I'm sure you can see what i am referring to. These 'spikes' vary at different angles, this assumes level flight, etc, its a completely perfect environment, the aircraft surface is perfect too, in real life this wouldn't be the case BTW. So to repeat, RCS=changes with angle (simplification).

Now, for something like active cancellation to exist, what we now need to do is;

-Find WHERE the wave is reflecting from, you need the EXACT point on the aircraft to then figure out HOW its reflecting.
this now means you need sensors covering the ENTIRE skin of the aircraft, EVERY SINGLE square meter, to then tell the onboard system where it is reflecting from, thus, the system can then calculate how it's reflected, where it's going, and then, to emit a wave that is out of phase to then cancel it. -BTW, there is a massive problem with this lol, i will touch on it in the next point.
Continuing with the above, so now, the entire skin of the aircraft is a sensor, this is probably impossible lol.

-Now, let's assume that we solved the issue of detecting the reflection, we haven't, but for argument's sake, let's say we have.
When do we intercept?
If we are to intercept the wave before it hits the aircraft, how do we even know there is a wave? We haven't detected it as for detection it needs to interact without sensors, whether these be ESM, RWR, or these magical skin sensors lol?
Okay, so we cant pre-emptively intercept.

No problem let's intercept AFTER they reflect!
-How lol. EM waves travel at the speed of light (in a vacuum, you could argue there's a difference within earth's atmosphere as it is not a vacuum, so there is a medium, thus, the speed of light may vary but again this will be difficult to calculate)
So let's assume that all EM waves will travel at the speed of light, how do you 'catch' the reflected wave. If two things have a distance X, and both travel at the same constant speed, the distance X will never close.

The other more fun scenario
-A parameter is wrong, there is an error, and something goes wrong.
Now, the principle we are talking about is called destructive interference, there is the opposite called constructive interference. Let's say something goes wrong somewhere, instead of having two out-of-phase waves to destructively interfere, you by error now have two in-phase waves to constructively interfere, lighting you up like the night sky, at which point you're fked and you should say your prayers.

Adding to this - a lot of capabilities mentioned via SPECTRA are incorporated in the AIDEWS system. The mystery of whether DRFM made it into the Pakistani version or not is unresolved.

 

[iLION12345_1]

I don’t think india is getting more Rafales anytime soon unless they set up a local production line, their indecision cost them greatly here as they didn’t place a follow up order after the initial 36, now there are half a dozen orders for the rafale from other countries, if india places another order now they will have to wait till early 2030s at the earliest to get their next batch.

That however isn’t that too big of a setback for them considering their have other options. Right now they’re considering FA-18 super hornets with AIM120Ds. That’s no small threat, especially when added to whatever india is planning to make locally (if those projects are a success, which they seem like they will be, albeit not anytime soon).

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I don’t think india is getting more Rafales anytime soon unless they set up a local production line, their indecision cost them greatly here as they didn’t place a follow up order after the initial 36, now there are half a dozen orders for the rafale from other countries, if india places another order now they will have to wait till early 2030s at the earliest to get their next batch.

That however isn’t that too big of a setback for them considering their have other options. Right now they’re considering FA-18 super hornets with AIM120Ds. That’s no small threat, especially when added to whatever india is planning to make locally (if those projects are a success, which they seem like they will be, albeit not anytime soon).

Early 2030s would be "interesting" for the PAF too! Considering first TFX block 0s being incorporated by 2029 in the TurAF and block 1s (true 5GFs with loyal wingman unmanned jets) in the early 30s, PAF definitely won't run out of options....

*Prof Temel Kotil, CEO of TAI, hinted at the inputs of Pak in the TFX project.
**Turkey is working on ramjets.
***TEI is working on 5GF engines. JV with Rolls-Royce is another engine project.

 

[Windjammer]

22-111 Flying with drop tanks.

 

[Deino]

It seems that 2nd batch will come with DL goodies already installed. This bit was missing in the aircrafts that arrived in 1st batch.

It seems is based on what?

 

[Windjammer]

Serial 22-113.
This means at least Seven more J-10s arriving in the second batch.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Love these Birds.
I was waiting for them since 2009

 

[siegecrossbow]

It seems that 2nd batch will come with DL goodies already installed. This bit was missing in the aircrafts that arrived in 1st batch.

What does DL stand for?

 

[MIRauf]

What does DL stand for?

I would have guessed Dual Launcher, but hard to say.

 

[Gripen9]

What does DL stand for?

I think he meant data link. Initial pictures of the first showed the aircraft without the DL antenna. It was speculated that Pak specific Link-17 will be installed in Pakistan.

 

[MastanKhan]

What does DL stand for?

Duckworth & Lewis

 

[GriffinsRule]

That is 22-103. Picture posted before.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Most probably Data Link

 

[sneakerspark]

It seems is based on what?

Based on Information.

What does DL stand for?

Data Link

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Serial 22-113.
This means at least Seven more J-10s arriving in the second batch.

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Looks 103 to me.

 

[flyhigh]

The SU-30MKI would eat the J-10C for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

What about tea time?