PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[jisite]

If PL-15E doesn't have dual pulse motor , then it's more rubbish than i thought.
Dual pulse doesn't only increase range, it also helps in sustaining kinetic energy while maneuvers and terminal phase.
The missile uses the second motor as close to the target as possible.
That means the missile has a motor burning, when it needs thrust the most, at the last moments when it's twisting and turning to catch the target.

No one actually announced the range of the PL15. It is also possible that the PL15 has the same range as the PL15E（145km）.

 

[CombatSurgeon]

If PL-15E doesn't have dual pulse motor , then it's more rubbish than i thought.
Dual pulse doesn't only increase range, it also helps in sustaining kinetic energy while maneuvers and terminal phase.
The missile uses the second motor as close to the target as possible.
That means the missile has a motor burning, when it needs thrust the most, at the last moments when it's twisting and turning to catch the target.

There's no second motor! Dual pulse is a mode employed by a single motor. And it truly doesn't work in actual terminal phase. Rather it gives some sustaining energy after initial burn spike. One can say late burnout to early midcourse. That's it. Even Meteor's throttleable motor doesn't last till the terminal phase for final maneuvering.

 

[ahtan_china]

Is it written j10cp or j10 ce?

The offical name is J-10CE from manufacturer (AVIC).

 

[帅的一匹]

SIZE dekh rahey ho bhai....

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PL-15/E has dual pulse propulsion ...can attain Mach 4.0 Speed and pull upto 20G....

Meteor is Mach 5.0 and pull up to 40 G

(Thanks to google)

PL15 can attain March6.0 and pull up to 45G, it’s the only dual pulse BVRAAM on this planet until now.

 

[Abramar]

Everyone freaking out about the difference between PL-15 and PL-15E clearly don't know how missiles work. Range metrics for missiles are practically useless. For Instance the 145km figure for PL-15E, was this at 40000ft, or at sea level? Did the missile loft or take a direct trajectory? What speed was the firing platform travelling at? How fast was the target? Was the target flying hot or cold? There are so many variables to missile range, that you cannot really give a figure to determine it's range. I genuinely believe that there is no difference between PL-15 and PL-15E. I think people on this forum just have some kind of inferiority complex.

When we were getting the J-10, they assumed that we would have inferior engines, when that was proven wrong, they assumed we would have non-AESA, when that was proven wrong, they assumed we wouldn't get the PL-15. Like stfu already. The PAF knows very well what it needs, and it won't settle for less.

 

[Yasser76]

PL15 can attain March6.0 and pull up to 45G

Sadly no chance for any IAF planes to be nicknamed "PL-15 Dodgers".....

 

[TheSolution]

PL15 can attain March6.0 and pull up to 45G

Source?

Everyone freaking out about the difference between PL-15 and PL-15E clearly don't know how missiles work. Range metrics for missiles are practically useless. For Instance the 145km figure for PL-15E, was this at 40000ft, or at sea level? Did the missile loft or take a direct trajectory? What speed was the firing platform travelling at? How fast was the target? Was the target flying hot or cold? There are so many variables to missile range, that you cannot really give a figure to determine it's range. I genuinely believe that there is no difference between PL-15 and PL-15E. I think people on this forum just have some kind of inferiority complex.

When we were getting the J-10, they assumed that we would have inferior engines, when that was proven wrong, they assumed we would have non-AESA, when that was proven wrong, they assumed we wouldn't get the PL-15. Like stfu already. The PAF knows very well what it needs, and it won't settle for less.

Nope, there's just a general belief here that things marked as 'E' (export) are significantly downgraded.

Perhaps trauma from the experience with USA

 

[NA71]

PL15 can attain March6.0 and pull up to 45G

collected that info from different sources .....some from Chinese Forums ....note sure about it.

Source?


Nope, there's just a general belief here that things marked as 'E' (export) are significantly downgraded.

Perhaps trauma from the experience with USA

it is downgraded ....

 

[TheSolution]

it is downgraded ....

Yes, but -significantly- downgraded, they automatically assume it's useless, when that's not the case.

Plus I believe there's still a possibility of the fully capable version either when we really need it, or soon.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Looking at the videos of the J10C(E!) - the rear visibility is a lot lot better than what i was expecting - the cockpit looks fairly comfortable.

One thing that i always with Chinese jets is the number of "exposed" cables in the cockpit - be it behind and around the ejection seats and those around the HUD, the general area( i am being pedantic - but then i still get upset when i see the hinges on the JF17B's ..).

No effect on performance i am sure - but odd interms of finish - you tend to not see that in western jets.

The Videos do clearly indicate that the variant is the J10CE from the contract signing ceremony and we should refer to as that going forward.

Seeing PAF pilots "march" around like was odd to me - never seen that before - guess it happens in ceremonies etc but for me that is the first time i have seen that. Normally they are are chilled! The synchronised opening of the cockpits was another one. Guess it was a big event and they wanted to put on a "show".

Good to see the PR of the jet appear so quickly - gives us something to look at - esp the Go-pro camera's, I am not holding my breath on seeing the cockpit pictures anytime soon though.

 

[ghazi52]

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A desi uncle posing on China Chowk Lahore wala “Jahaz” after enjoying Lawerence Garden (Jinnah Bagh) k گول گپے (gol gappay) #J10C

12:24 PM · Mar 11, 2022
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[siegecrossbow]

Because its not on par with meteor.

They are optimized for different flight envelopes. It is not fair to say that one is superior to the other based on maximum range or even NEZ alone. A ramjet powered AAM has a long spool up time after being fired and is not as maneuverable during the interception phase. Those are tradeoffs that are made to achieve higher maximum range.

 

[TheSolution]

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A desi uncle posing on China Chowk Lahore wala “Jahaz” after enjoying Lawerence Garden (Jinnah Bagh) k گول گپے (gol gappay) #J10C

12:24 PM · Mar 11, 2022
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Why is he sitting like that?

Getting a little too intimate with the vigorous dragon over there pal

 

[ghazi52]

Why is he sitting like that?

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As no other position is fit for him..

 

[Yasser76]

Why is he sitting like that?

Getting a little too intimate with the vigorous dragon over there pal

Was worried he would flip the jet on it's side at one point....