PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[luciferdd]

Would you pick a US radar from the 2000s over a Chinese radar from last year? Would you pick a US one that has 900 T/R modules with power limitations over a Chinese one with 1200 T/R modules with much greater power output?

The reality is that internal layout of an aircraft cannot be changed once the design is frozen. Only when there are major upgrades, will you see the internal layout of a an aircraft changed. The only such major upgrade for J-10 was from J-10A to J-10B. The layout was redone to allow for a more advanced avionics architecture to be put in place. The layout was designed entirely with AESA radar in mind. That's not the case with F-16s. Do you think the block 50/52 have a different internal layout than block 30/32? Do you think they went through another major internal layout change when they came up with block 60 or do you think they just tried to stuff whatever is possible they can given the space and power limitations? Do you think they went through the process of a major redesign of layout for an export project?

Take a look at F-22. They still have not been able to put IRST on there despite its importance to USAF. Why do you think that is? There is just no space available for it. J-10B/C was designed from day 1 to accommodate largest possible AESA radar, IRST and all that extra feature they added to it. It took several years of testing to verify all the changes.

And for your initial question, China has probably 500 fighter jet in operation with AESA radar. Maybe not as many as USAF, but not a slouch. Far more than any other Air Force. It was also one of the first country to put AESA radar on AWACS and naval ships. There are many areas China is still far behind Western countries. AESA radar technology and electronics in general is one where they are pretty close to the top.

IMO,the number of j-10C+J16+J20+some J-11BD is more than 700,and it will add 100+ per year.

 

[Aesterix]

There are similar ones on the tail as well so that’s where the guess came from

Well yes, the J-20 has similar lights.
Looks like J-19CP has similar lights. But why?
Screenshot of J-20 with بتیاں۔

Edit: Actually these strip lights seem to be standard feature in J-10C . I could find only one picture of the lights being used, and it's faint.

But the question remains, what benefits these light strips , front and back, bring?

 

[Aesterix]

Just found out the Chinese duped us.
They installed 3x light stripes on their J-10C but only two stripes on PAF version.
Must ask for a partial refund, due to missing one بتی

 

[WinterFangs]

Well yes, the J-20 has similar lights.
Looks like J-19CP has similar lights. But why?
Screenshot of J-20 with بتیاں۔
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Edit: Actually these strip lights seem to be standard feature in J-10C . I could find only one picture of the lights being used, and it's faint.
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But the question remains, what benefits these light strips , front and back, bring?

They are formation lights, ‘they make it easier to see and discern altitude and separation distance between the airborne craft’. used for night missions and also to assist aircrafts to fly in formation during low visibility.
i haven’t seen many, but ive seen some F-35s use them and they look sexy.

 

[MastanKhan]

So are you implying that Pakistan made a deal for j-10 in 2014??

Hi,

I am not implyimng anything---. I just stated what I knew---and it should be somewhere on this forum as well in the older posts.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Hearing rumors that the J10 count will be going up , as it was really planned to be inducted in 2014 so delay of almost 8 years from original plans

 

[MastanKhan]

There are different understanding to the contract of 200 J11A/Su-27sk. Chinese thought they bought both 200 frame kits plus rights for continue production of Su-27 related fighter. In fact, we Chinese told Russian the intention right from start and they never say say a thing. They only complain when the J-11b, full domestic version of Su-27sk produced. It is then the conflict about the right started.

Hi,

The russians did not realize how capable chinese engineers were. They just miscalculated and by the time they realized their folly---china had gone too far ahead to be stopped.

Now we would latest AESA equipped JF-17B3 and J-10C, it would be beneficial for US and it's allies to sell surplus/retired fighters to Pakistan to earn some quick bucks or to retain some leverage upon Pakistani decision makers in the longer run. Nothing force multiplier is going to be coming from US for Pakistan. They don't even have the grace to release Pakistani cobras which our Army needs badly.

Hi,

I do not know from where you have gotten the idea of " QUICK BUCKS"---.

Someone needs to open your eyes and tell you that the west does not give a diddly sh-it about making bucks and arming pakistan.

So---get this word---:"making bucks" out of your vocabulary.

You are correct.

J-10C is a 100% Chinese project.

Hi,

No sir it is not---. There are pakistani genes in it that we would rather not acknowledge.

 

[Vapnope]

 

[MastanKhan]

Hearing rumors that the J10 count will be going up , as it was really planned to be inducted in 2014 so delay of almost 8 years from original plans

Hi,

Not inducted in 2014---but a confirmation that the Paf was headed that way and a deal was agreed with the chinese to the fact where the aircraft design was headed and what would pakistans need be in the coming years with what kind of package.

I would recommend listening to what the Retd Air Marshall stated about the shortcomings of the aircraft J-10.

In the longer run what that meant was that if you do this this and this modification to the aircraft---you will end up with a world class fighter aircraft that you could be proud of and which would fit our needs as well.

Chinese understand & appreciate pakistan's combat experience very well---. They have a great ability to listen and make the needed changes and the results are in front of us. It is a team thing.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Trust me he's Greek, you should see what he's posted about Indians before too lmao

The fact that even @Foinikas is being mistaken for Indian shows that their strategy of false flagging is very successful.

 

[帅的一匹]

Hi,

Not inducted in 2014---but a confirmation that the Paf was headed that way and a deal was agreed with the chinese to the fact where the aircraft design was headed and what would pakistans need be in the coming years with what kind of package.

I would recommend listening to what the Retd Air Marshall stated about the shortcomings of the aircraft J-10.

In the longer run what that meant was that if you do this this and this modification to the aircraft---you will end up with a world class fighter aircraft that you could be proud of and which would fit our needs as well.

Chinese understand & appreciate pakistan's combat experience very well---. They have a great ability to listen and make the needed changes and the results are in front of us. It is a team thing.

I think they should award you as PDF think tank right now. Without PAF’s advice and vision, J10 c won’t be as that great as it is now. Hope J10 will keep evolving and PAF pilots will push it to limit. No one understands J10 more than PAF does.

 

[NA71]

J-10C inspired by Pakistani famous road runner W-11...see all formation lights, data link antenna ground seekers are also hanging on front side.

(Mod please forgive me ...the thread is now too dry...just adding some taste)

 

[siegecrossbow]

Hi,

Not inducted in 2014---but a confirmation that the Paf was headed that way and a deal was agreed with the chinese to the fact where the aircraft design was headed and what would pakistans need be in the coming years with what kind of package.

I would recommend listening to what the Retd Air Marshall stated about the shortcomings of the aircraft J-10.

In the longer run what that meant was that if you do this this and this modification to the aircraft---you will end up with a world class fighter aircraft that you could be proud of and which would fit our needs as well.

Chinese understand & appreciate pakistan's combat experience very well---. They have a great ability to listen and make the needed changes and the results are in front of us. It is a team thing.

Ironically that seems to be Marcel Dassault’s design philosophy.

 

[帅的一匹]

PAF inducting J10 is my biggest desire in the last 10 years, its finally satisfied.

 

[MastanKhan]

I think they should award you as PDF think tank right now. Without PAF’s advice and vision, J10 c won’t be as that great as it is now. Hope J10 will keep evolving and PAF pilots will push it to limit. No one understands J10 more than PAF does.

Hi,

I am one of the senior most members on this forum.

I used to be on the think Tank but I resigned my commission many years ago due to difference of opinion with those who stated that pakistan did not have funds and will get nothing from china ever and J10 does not bring anything to the table---.

There will be no Type 054's---pakistan is broke---there will be no chinese submarines---and look now---none of them has any shame to come forward and apologize---hey @araz---how about an apology.

& mods---don't delete the post.