PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Indos]

Same as KF-21

KF 21 is indeed using US engine and at least 21 other technologies

US permission is needed, but if US allows, then I think every thing will be just fine.

 

[Shotgunner51]

KF 21 development program is speed up, mass production is now targeted in 2024 instead of previous plan in 2027.

There India may want to get it though

2024 for FRP sounds very aggressive. I thought EMD phase will last till 2026 with six prototypes (four built now) and LRIP commence 2027?

 

[Indos]

2024 for FRP sounds very aggressive. I thought EMD phase will last till 2026 with six prototypes (four built now) and LRIP commence 2027?

Yup, quite aggressive, I think it is due to Indonesia Minister of Defense plan, despite I think we will just buy 6 Rafale ( it is already in contract, while 36 is still a commitment). Actually that 1.1 billion USD is just coming from previous Su35 order which is cancelled despite already in the form of contract ( but not yet being activated)

The prototypes is 8 though ( 6 flying, 2 static), much more than the protoype for TFX program which is also with very short time of testing.

I dont know, but with experience company like LM as technical consultant, I think it could be achievable, just wait for this whole year to finish whether that is really achievable based on the progress during 6 months of flight testing or not ( if no hurdles and no accident happen hopefully )

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Complete in agreement and this is why a Chinese engine makes even more sense.

IMO the J-10CE forms up the air-to-air, and the JF-17 Block-3 will drive the SOW and ALCM deployment. The PAF is taking a 'strength in numbers' approach to strike as it'll probably rely on more Block-3s to make up for any payload limitations. But tbh, the ability to carry two SOWs or ALCMs at a time is really effective given the focused breadth of targets in most cases.

IMO, the PAF won't get the 'widescale strike' capability until it gets a UCAV with a proper autonomous flying stack. Once that comes (and I think China's among the forerunners in getting there), then it'd be hard to gauge the balance in South Asia.

IMO, at that point, the power dynamics on both sides (India and Pak) would be off-the-charts. The only lag is our lack of industrialization and economic resilience. If we can get that economic resilience, then we can get a Britain-France-Germany-type dynamic with India and China, IMHO.

 

[Inception-06]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1493863082480787457

(NFAK)

Is this Video made by PDF Pakistani and Chinese guys ?

 

[GumNaam]

is this the WS10 engine?

 

[hussain0216]

KF 21 is indeed using US engine and at least 21 other technologies

US permission is needed, but if US allows, then I think every thing will be just fine.

Yeah, I'm sure it'll be fine, we'll just wait for the U.S to allow it

 

[ziaulislam]

I don't think the F-16 "fanboys" are dancing

https://twitter.com/x/status/1493853477503741958

 

[Khanate]

The biggest threat/problem with the J-10CE is that it gives the PAF an affordable way to rapidly scale up its long-range air-to-air capability.

The IAF will have to plan for a potential 90-strong fleet of J-10CEs. But it can't bank on attrition or serviceability rates to do its job. The J-10CE is China's mainstay fighter, so there's always going to be a steady supply line of spare parts, replacement jets, etc.

You can't guarantee that with any European fighter. E.g., the IAF's buying used M2Ks for spare parts.

In a weird way, Egypt, UAE, and Indonesia did the PAF a solid by taking up spots in the Rafale's production line-up. This might explain why India is now seriously focusing on new homegrown 4.5+/5-minus designs like TEDBF/ORCA. I honestly hope Bangladesh figures out the Typhoon or, heck, KF-21 situations so that the IAF's full-up forced to look in-house. No doubt that'd be a huge boon for the Indian industry, but the PAF will bank on India's institutional issues to slow TEDBF and ORCA, one way or another.

What of the Mirage Rebuild Factory (MRF) once all the Mirages are retired?

Will PAF use MRF to support J10-CE fleet?

 

[musaji]

why is this thread so active

Please go back to some 20 pages and you will know why ...

 

[ziaulislam]

Anyone who has been watching PAF since the 90s.. It doesn’t feel real, stuff of dreams.

Thinks changed very rapidly post 2005 actually.
Though there was slow down in 2008-2013 time

 

[TaimiKhan]

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Not true. For now 01 sqdrn. 20-25 jets most probably.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Yup, quite aggressive, I think it is due to Indonesia Minister of Defense plan, despite I think we will just buy 6 Rafale ( it is already in contract, while 36 is still a commitment). Actually that 1.1 billion USD is just coming from previous Su35 order which is cancelled despite already in the form of contract ( but not yet being activated)

The prototypes is 8 though ( 6 flying, 2 static), much more than the protoype for TFX program which is also with very short time of testing.

I dont know, but with experience company like LM as technical consultant, I think it could be achievable, if I am not mistaken F 15 program also has short period of testing to get type certificate

That's a lot of prototypes and testing for such a time frame, godspeed!

I'm not sure about how fast SAC J-35 (FC-31) is proceeding, but I'm sure it's a carrier-based jet only at least till this moment, no PLAAF involvement at all. Hence it remains a future option for PAF/PAC to become a co-developer for a land-based variant of the jet, say after J-35 gets FOC on PLAN's carriers. In fact that could be like how SK and Indonesia co-develop the KFX/IFX, or we all know CAC-PAC on JF-17 which is a pleasant success.

 

[Aesterix]

Many claiming the 2 jets have landed in Pakistan?

 

[aziqbal]

whats the latest ?

too many pages ?

how many units and which air base have they landed at ?