PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[FuturePAF]

Obviously CGI. Also, the model is J-10A.

At least we should troll them with a picture like this. Especially since a lot of them claim the J-10 is a copy of the F-16

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476847432952688641

 

[luciferdd]

Does the Pakistani J-10 come with a Chinese or Russian AL-31 engine? Does anyone know?

WS-10 serise,the Afterburner Thrust is around 13.5T~14T.

 

[SIPRA]

Question is why do people like sheikh Rasheed break such news when he has the capacity of a wart in these matters. Talk about Savour foods and he should be given the platform.

I believe that "Sheeda Tully" is deliberately used, for releasing such news, where some kind of confusion and vagueness is desired to be maintained.

 

[jupiter2007]

The contract was signed in July 2021 probably,AVIC had released a video about one J-10C with painting national flags of both two countries.
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And half a year is quite enough to produce 15~25 J-10C for CAC，As long as the money is in place.

This has been explained few times on this forum. Whenever any country decided to acquire a new platform, testing and planning/studies of it takes years not months. How to use the aircraft? How many aircrafts should be acquired? Maintenance facilities? Training technical staff and pilots, etc.
If J-10C is coming in March 2022, it means that our pilots already went through required training to fly them and maintenance facilities is already established for J-10C.

36 to 48 J-10C will be acquired.

 

[HAIDER]

PAF don't need J-10S,they have JF-17B.

J10S is for training and bombing missions.

 

[luciferdd]

J10S is for training and bombing missions.

Do the US/China need some F22S/J20S to train the pilots?JF-17B can do most of the jobs.

 

[luciferdd]

This has been explained few times on this forum. Whenever any country decided to acquire a new platform, testing and planning/studies of it takes years not months. How to use the aircraft? How many aircrafts should be acquired? Maintenance facilities? Training technical staff and pilots, etc.
If J-10C is coming in March 2022, it means that our pilots already went through required training to fly them and maintenance facilities is already established for J-10C.

36 to 48 J-10C will be acquired.
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I mean PAF made their final decition and signed the contract with AVIC at July 2021,but before that they surely had Started to investigate J10C years ago.

 

[python-000]

Full loaded J-10C...

 

[Deino]

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Full loaded J-10C...

No, just a well-known very old CG made at a time, when even the J10B was not known.

 

[Trailer23]

F-16s don't have refueling probes while many USAF platforms have. They never had it for Vipers though. Why?

It has been tested by Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works on a Testbed F-16, and would have been a feature in the F-21 (had India of placed an order).

Link: The F-16 gets a Conformal Aerial Refueling Tank System (CARTS)

 

[abdulbarijan]

It was first rumored in June 2013 that a "full standard" variant (J-10C, K/JJ10C?) with enhanced 4th generation electronics including an AESA radar, which is finally available, and an improved glass cockpit was under development. The J-10C (K/JJ10C?) #201 prototype (later renumbered as #1051) took off for the first time on December 31, 2013, powered by an AL-31FN Series 3 engine. The aircraft appears to have close similarity with J-10B except for an additional datalink antenna on its spine ahead of the vertical fin, which has been speculated to provide mid-course update for the long-range PL-15 AAM. Besides up to 4 PL-12s under the dual missile launch rails, the aircraft is capable of carrying the latest PL-10 and PL-15 AAMs (up to 4 can also be carried under the dual missile launch rails), plus YJ-91 ARM, JG-500B LGB, KD-88/88A ASM and YJ-83K AShM. It can also carry a KL-700A ECM pod and a K/JDC01A FLIR/laser designation pod underneath the engine air intake.

Images taken in November 2015 indicated that the production of the 02 batch had begun, believed to be J-10Cs. They had VLOC antennas installed on top of the vertical fin and don't have the rear MAWS sensors on the root of fin (reason unknown). The aircraft is still powered by AL-31FN Series 3 turbofan and WS-10B was expected to be fitted in the future. J-10C has been in the service with PLAAF since 2016 (S/N 78x1x? 74x2x, 61x6x, 68x3x, 78x8x). J-10C was officially unveiled during the PLA 90th Anniversary parade in August 2017. Images released in November 2017 indicated that IIR MAWS sensors (S740) were installed on the side of engine air intake as well as at the tip of vertical fin for the newly built J-10Cs. An image posted in October 2018 indicated that the 03 batch entered the service with PLAAF (S/N 61x6x). An image posted in July 2019 indicated that the 04 batch powered by the indigenous WS-10B turbofan without the TVC nozzle was in production. Images posted in December 2019 and June 2021 respectively indicated the 05 batch and 06 batch powered by the WS-10B engine were in production.

Some J-10C pilot have been wearing a new HMDS similar to American JHMCS, which would maximize the HOBS capability of PL-10 AAM. The export version of J-10C is called J-10CE and the first customer could be Pakistani AF who needs the aircraft (dubbed J-10CP?) to counter the Indian AF's Rafale.
A recent rumor (July 2020) suggested that a semi-stealth variant (J-10D?) was being developed to supplement the more expensive J-20 and J-35. A recent image (December 2020) indicated that J-10C started to wear a new low-visibility PLAAF insignia and serial number.
Another recent image (May 2021) indicated that J-10C powered by the WS-10B turbofan engine has entered the service with PLAAF (S/N 78x1x? 63x6x). The latest image (June 2021) indicated that the some have been fitted with a new narrow frame holographic HUD similar to the one onboard JF-17 Block III (see below). The latest rumor (November 2021) suggested that the first J-10D prototype has been built at CAC. Its maiden flight is expected to be by the end of the year.
- Last Updated 11/20/21

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/fighters-ii.html

 

[Ali_Baba]

I was wondering that as well, then I thought maybe PAF classification for a squadron is 10 jets (10+10 regular and 5 dual-seat trainer/strike attack variants). Thanks for raising the same question.

Also, isn't 3 months too aggressive a timeline? That would mean assembling the jets at lightning speed, prioritizing PAF's delivery.

I think the decision(and the actual significant stategic decision) to purchase the latest batch of Chinese platforms was made after the WZ-10s and T-129s were sanctioned and the CSF reimburesements frozen. Those acts broke the relationship for good. It looks like the Armed forces have finally, and fully, turned their backs on any major strategic procurements from the Americans and will now focus on homegrown, European and Chinese systems.

 

[Shotgunner51]

WS-10 serise,the Afterburner Thrust is around 13.5T~14T.

I guess that WS-10A. The massively upgraded C variant (and on improved processes) can deliver 142kN as per Janes or 14.5~15.0 tons per Chinese sources.

 

[Deino]

I guess that WS-10A. The massively upgraded C variant (and on improved processes) can deliver 142kN as per Janes or 14.5~15.0 tons per Chinese sources.

No, I an pretty sure it is the current WS-10B. The A-model is no longer und production.

 

[batmannow]

Let's see the dragons dance with TVC , and that makes its far more better rate fighter then RAFAEL with better and long range of its AESA radars.
Thanks God that stupid, decade old commision and getting immigration oriented policy of only dam F16s died with this dragons indications in PAF!