PAF F16-Blk70 possibly coming - TO BE CONFIRMED

[ziaulislam]

Still skeptical on block70 but hey used f16b52 are not bad deal..problem is can we afford it..we spent billions on military operations and fencing alone

 

[Bratva]

Theirs another side to the coin and that is :
When Russia was in danger of losing india to the americans totally, came out the leaks from the Russian sources about Pak procuring su35 along with other major ticket items from russia.
So in order to supposedly check Pakistan's ingress into the ruskie arms market the Indians dished out BILLIONS n bought subs along with s400 etc.

So having learnt it from the other flee bagger (ruskie) the Americans seeing their product (f21) loose are also playing the same trick on the indians and in the process through these calculated leaks about Pak buying block 70 are trying to scare the crap out of banya n in the process forcing them to buy the f21.

The best we can hope for at this point in time is to pick up se hand hand f16. As this will be a short lived relationship

Thankyou for stating the obvious. "FAN BOYS" who consider themselves so smart will realize it hard way in the end that they were just the pawn in this complex game of leaks.

 

[ziaulislam]

Don't agree with oil and Chinese province pov. But you made valid points.
Ask any sane person, like Pakistan that created proxies and send to fight Soviets does India ever have an courage to counter China like that in East turkistan or other places . India forces full well know they are paper tigers.

Will Pakistan do anything against china wishes if uncle sam say so...nope..thats what he was referring too...yeah things are sliding fast in chinese direction not a goood sign for USA to loose Pakistan to china camp...a 250 million nation..with great POTENTIAL(oil or no oil, who knows if oil is going to matter in 20 years)

 

[Safriz]

I wih and hope the deal gets embargoed and does not go through....
We the middleaged Pakistanis have been watching this American Soap opera since the 90s...
It does nothing good to Pakistan, and those jets come with too many strings attached...Completely useless.

 

[ali_raza]

Sir, you will have to admit, it was more than two than went down, in a blaze of not so glory.

discretion is better part of valor

 

[Ichigo]

I have my doubts unless something actually happens. Alot of angels to this news with no solid standing in any particular direction not any to the point dead on proof. lets wait and see. If it happens that great but till than chill... Fanboys will be rocking the forum for a while... y not.... in the end time will tell. No wonder if its true its a good booster for PAF with the least investment.

 

[volatile]

Official confirmation

Khafee bhai utmost repsect for you but we all know after Su35 tweets and articles ,nothing is coming to Pakistan for 2 reasons .
1. US Congress and India factor
2. Financial situation

 

[Trailer23]

So having learnt it from the other flee bagger (ruskie) the Americans seeing their product (f21) loose are also playing the same trick on the indians and in the process through these calculated leaks about Pak buying block 70 are trying to scare the crap out of banya n in the process forcing them to buy the f21.

After checking out LockheedMartin.com its clear as day that the F-21 is nothing more than a strategy to lure India.

This is the F-21's Product Card (*.pdf):
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/aero/documents/f21/F-21 Product Card.pdf

No Specs. Nada. Zero. Zilch...

Indians know that, and for that very reason they've already (indirectly) committed to procuring more Rafales, if not Su-30MKi.

In the very cheap animated video which seems was done by Lockheed Martin India, appears as if its offering something more and is an F-16 on steroids.

But then again, so is Japan AirForce's LM/Mitsubishi F-2

 

[YeBeWarned]

Why do you believe it to be so? It's clearly against the declared policy stance of China that it would never intervene militarily as a third party in any foreign conflict and Pakistan/China haven't yet signed any contract of mutual defence or NATO type alliance. Same was the perception of Pakistani leadership in 1971 that US would send the fleet to terrorize the soviet backed India and China would pounce upon India to save us and see what hapenned!

Yes may be China may help us through continuous supply of weapons systems, their parts and spares etc. IMHO all China would do, they would help in training, supply of weapons, intelligence and reconnaissance, that's it. No boots on ground or a pilot in air.

71 Pakistan was wrong in World stage, we were cause of a Civil war and Bangli's were dying including our soldiers, it was pre-destined war which we will lose eventually , but today Pakistan is strong , we have nukes , we have powerful leadership and Army .China has invested around 70+ billion dollars (unofficial) . and just as America trying to raise India to counter China, why do you think China will let go any opportunity to demoralize Indian by Providing help to Pakistan ?

 

[SQ8]

The the hatchery released the chicks:

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...ts-after-imrankhan-trump-meet-1.1564200291908

https://www.dawn.com/news/1496522/u...ed-125m-support-programme-for-pakistans-f-16s

Nope, this is not the development being claimed.

 

[YeBeWarned]

You mean FMS!
CSF, Pakistan expenditure providing logistics, ops support, anti terror ops in FATA, bases, Intel etc, etc. Thats reimbursement Pakistan shoul get in its kitty.

yep, thanks for correction .

Dont forget to tag few of our great think tank analyst & professionals of this forum...

TBH, most of them already and understand , that is why most of TTA and MODS are in favor of F-16 and American systems from Day 1 . They know the importance of US weapons and their quality is still unmatched, yes they come with strings and hurdles but if you are getting them with American paying half from CSF or FMS than i will say take it with both hands

 

[ziaulislam]

Still if China offered something like J-20 or J-31 as bait they could do it secretly.

Much easy to steel it from usa rather than fishing here

Official confirmation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1155001325266055168

Zarvan...well..not happening ..he is always jinxed

 

[The Terminator]

Imo PAK Armed Forces should say F*** off to uncle Sam and don't rely on US supplied weaponary in long term phase. Just maintain a healthy fleet of F-16s and Cobras etc for time being and work hard to replace them as top tier weapon systems in our force with any other solution available on this planet, either indigenous or off the shelf or the most probably the JV with China, Turkey or Russia. US supply chain can never be trusted.
A vintage rusted gun which spits out bullets inaccurately is better than a brand new, shiny, state of the art, the most precision guided gun with a silver bullet in it which you can't fire when needed during desperate times.

Momin 1 hi sorakh se bar bar nhi dasa jata. But we are happy to repeat the history of getting choked by US in form of F-16 and AH-1 cobra supplies.

 

[ziaulislam]

After checking out LockheedMartin.com its clear as day that the F-21 is nothing more than a strategy to lure India.

This is the F-21's Product Card (*.pdf):
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/aero/documents/f21/F-21 Product Card.pdf

No Specs. Nada. Zero. Zilch...

Indians know that, and for that very reason they've already (indirectly) committed to procuring more Rafales, if not Su-30MKi.

In the very cheap animated video which seems was done by Lockheed Martin India, appears as if its offering something more and is an F-16 on steroids.

But then again, so is Japan AirForce's LM/Mitsubishi F-2

They have asked for more su30 with upgrade package & rafales already

Right...I'm not saying that US can't subsidize...of course it can and it has in the past. I'm saying that Trump specifically isn't a fan of that. He sees it as other nations "taking advantage" of the US...he has been vocal about it on more than one occasion. This is why I was asking how is he on board...bcuz he likes to deal in cold hard cash rather than a strategic gain.

Probably will understand the logic of CSF and will release that money or use that money..i doubt he will approve something beyond that

 

[Riz]

Thankyou for stating the obvious. "FAN BOYS" who consider themselves so smart will realize it hard way in the end that they were just the pawn in this complex game of leaks.

Dont worry we will manage it, We will never let them escape from Afghanistan without getting these beasts..