PAF and Next Generation Fighter Program Confirmed

[S10]

Yesterday, huzhigeng struck again, bringing more insider news from 611 Institute (Chengdu Aircraft Corporation). Anyways here they are.

Last month, when a person asked whether JF-17 will be modified into a low observable, aka stealth design:

成都有个外销的准四代。。。编号是2X。。。XIAO BA和第三世界有需求。。。当然611还指望能从空军那里分些单子。。和35差不多一样大。。。方案已经让XIAO BA看了。。。

"Chengdu has an export pre-4th gen (5th gen in US/Russian standard)designated as J-2X.Pakistan and third world countries have demands for it. Of course, 611 can expect to get some order from Chinese air force also. It is about the size of F-35, and the design has already been presented to Pakistan."

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Yesterday, he reinstated this point:

四妹的弟弟现在也在方案设计当中。。

"4th Gen (referring to J-20)'s little brother is also being designed."

Furthermore, he elaborated on recent exchanges between the two countries:

小BA代表团最近来。。看了一些小BA的四代机的方案，还是很满意的。

"PAF recently sent a group of represenatives to CAC. They looked at a few designs for their 4th gen, and in general they were pretty satisfied."

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When asked about the neccessity of SAC's project, he briefly mentioned future directions in design:

611所以后还会走YA式布局下去的。。这是传统。也是继承。就像洛马一样。而北边则以常规布局为主。当然，从小龙来看，601常规布局水平也不差，现在就是要看歼2X，成都到底是搞常规布局还是YA式布局。

"611 (CAC) will continue to utilize canards in their future designs. This is both a tradition and a legacy, much like Lockheed Martin and their conventional designs. North (referring to SAC) will feature mostly conventional layouts. Of course, from the looks of JF-17, CAC's conventional designs aren't bad either. Now it remains to be seen whether J-2X (Pakistan's project) will have conventional or canard design."

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Notice the "pre-4th gen" in his statement. Now the reason he said "pre-4th" gen is because to qualify for 4th gen, China use the 4S standard. Supercruise, Stealth, Supermanoevurability and Sensor Fusion are the 4S criteria. Because of that criteria, F-35 is not considered a true 4th (5th) gen in China as it cannot supercruise, and is not thought to be as very manoevurable either (compared to other 4th gen). So this version Pakistan is getting presented will most likely not meet all 4S.

If I had to take a guess, I think it would not be able to supercruise like F-35.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Then we can make the cost of J-2X below 100 million, better between 50-60 million.

So Pakistan can afford to equip it in large number.

 

[houshanghai]

lol,s10 is truly a good guy

the design work of j2x has begun.

 

[Safriz]

lets see when Pakistan gets j-10b...only after that we can be happy about any future plans.

 

[laiqs@mi]

now this news is from an insider......... a good news for us.

 

[bc040400065]

i would say delay J10 induction then for year or two, see if we can get this proposed design ready before 2020, then go for it and skip J10.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

great news if its true




hope its true

 

[Jango]

a couple of squadrons of J-2X wont be bad!

 

[Tehmasib]

good news.....need more clarify....PAF going ahead ....thumbs up

 

[Saifullah Sani]

 

[propakistani]

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Any way Good news.
Any info about this j2x specification?

 

[monitor]

If this news is true then surely a matter of joy . but problem is whether this will be the only 5th generation fighter for Paf or will it accompanied by J-20 as well just like the combination of f-22 and f- 35 .

 

[cloneman]

If this news is true then surely a matter of joy . but problem is whether this will be the only 5th generation fighter for Paf or will it accompanied by J-20 as well just like the combination of f-22 and f- 35 .

This CAC project is mainly for export purpose,it will be something like the FC-1 that the PLA will most likely not to induce it.The J-XX that will form the high-low combination with the J-20 will roll out in the SAC at the end of this year or early in 2012.This CAC project is surposed to fill the demand of the 5the generation fighter from the friendly countries like Pakistan and Egyption.And the major issue here is that it's a double engined medium class 5th generation fighters to be powed by the next generation WS-XX advanced medium weight turbofan engine.However,this WS-XX is still in developing.That is a big question when will it get matured.

 

[khurasaan1]

thnx for very good info and excel;lent work done by our Chinese brotherz.......Alhamdolillah!................