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who should order the Vaccum bombs & use them on these Afghan terrorist on their own soil
Over 120 Afghan militants storm Pakistan
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I remember the lad was promoted - an inspiration and a true Pashtoon warrior.
Indeed. And received the highest-civilian gallantry award.
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Salute to this hero. A true pushtoon and a Pakistani. I appreciate his bravery and valor.
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Monday, July 04, 2011
* Kunar situation suggests future challenges for Pakistan, Afghanistan and NATO forces
* Afghan general admits his forces not strong enough to assault Taliban positions
SIRKANAY: On a mountain trail toward the border with Pakistan, the explosions became louder, more constant and finally visible as puffs of smoke on distant peaks and rising from valleys.
Families escaping the fusillade led donkeys strapped with mattresses and bags of clothes the other way, down the steep footpaths. They passed crippled trees, cratered houses and empty villages. Some of the villagers had shrapnel scars and described seeing relatives blown apart during a five-week artillery barrage from Pakistan.
My grandson was nine years old, said Juma Gul, a 60-year-old village elder in the Sirkanay district in eastern Afghanistan. He and three other children were herding our goats when a rocket came. All four were killed. We could not find most of their bodies.
A loud crack sounded and rolled over the peaks. Gul swept his hand toward the mountain range rising toward Pakistan. Still the rockets are landing here, he said.
The shelling in Kunar province is taking place along one of the most strategically important fronts of the war a haven for hardcore insurgent groups fighting in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Pakistan has been so stung by insurgents recent cross-border attacks, they launched an offensive that also highlights NATOs struggles to pacify the area and the lack of cooperation between Afghanistan and Pakistan against their common foes.
NATO officials, in fact, say they were unaware of the extent of Pakistans artillery barrage across Afghanistans border until last week because Western troops have been pulled back from more remote outposts in Kunar.
Afghan government officials suspected that Pakistan had launched more than 761 rockets over the border into Kunar province since May and causing the deaths of at least 40 people and injuring 51. Pakistan has denied hitting Afghanistan intentionally, but acknowledged its military has been targeting terrorists to halt cross-border raids and that some rockets may have strayed off course.
Last month, Afghan President Hamid Karzai complained about the shelling to the top NATO commander in Afghanistan, US Gen David Petraeus, US Ambassador Karl Eikenberry and President Asif Ali Zardari.
Since those meetings, however, the assaults appear to have intensified in Kunar, about 205 kilometres east of Kabul.
Coalition officials acknowledged that recent tensions along Kunars border has festered for weeks without an adequate response from the international alliance, in part because they consolidated troops from scattered valley and border outposts to centralised bases after coming under relentless attacks from militants.
The redeployment reflects a tactical shift from counterinsurgency operations emphasising development projects and regular contacts to win over local populations to counter-terrorism operations that emphasise killing militants.
Last week, US forces launched an offensive in Watapoor district in northeastern Kunar province, said US Army Lt Col Chad Carroll, a spokesman for the 1st Calvary Division at Regional Command East. Carroll said the objective of the operation was less to take strategic terrain than to target insurgents.
Its more about enemy locations than it is about a spot on the ground, he said. US soldiers have killed 80 to 100 militants in the district, Carroll said. But Taliban fighters still manage to stage attacks on both sides of Kunars border, Afghan officials say.
There are only finite resources, manpower, said British Maj Tim James, a NATO spokesman.
The situation along Kunars border suggests the kind of future challenges Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO will face as US forces leave according to President Barack Obamas schedule for the withdrawal of combat troops by 2014, when security will transition to Afghan control.
During two days in Sirkanay district, Afghan border police were the most conspicuous forces on the roads, where they appeared to operate with a degree of autonomy from NATO. Only two other security units were seen: An armored NATO patrol and a newly established local police unit. Two new border police camps built next to NATO bases housed a well-maintained fleet of new Ford pick-up trucks and young policemen carrying AK-47s.
The border polices movements, however, were severely limited by shelling from Pakistan and by Taliban hiding in mountain villages.
The withdrawal of NATO forces has had a direct effect on insecurity, said Gen Aminullah Amerkhail, the eastern region commander of the Afghan border police, who added that his forces were not strong enough to assault known Taliban positions. I will not go to those villages without air support from the Americans.
Amerkhail offered his resignation to the Afghan interior minister to protest NATOs and Pakistans response to the problems along the border.
Pakistani officials, too, have complained about NATO inaction in southeast Kunar.
Five times in June, militants based in Kunar and Nangarhar massed up to 300 fighters to stage cross-border attacks against Pakistani security checkpoints, killing 55 paramilitary soldiers and tribal police, Pakistani army officials said. Pakistani air and ground assaults drove the insurgents back.
Pakistani army spokesman Maj Athar Abbas said that no rounds have been fired into Afghanistan intentionally, although it is possible that a few rounds may have accidentally fallen over the border. Abbas defended the assaults.
There is no effort to act against these strongholds or sanctuaries, he said. Many terrorist leaders are gathered there, and there is no pressure on them to leave.
Whatever Pakistans defensive rationale, Afghanistan views the border attacks as an infringement on its sovereignty.
Afghan security officials have warned Pakistan that continued artillery fire into its territory would be met with a response that could include Afghan military action.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
* Kunar situation suggests future challenges for Pakistan, Afghanistan and NATO forces
* Afghan general admits his forces not strong enough to assault Taliban positions
SIRKANAY: On a mountain trail toward the border with Pakistan, the explosions became louder, more constant and finally visible as puffs of smoke on distant peaks and rising from valleys.
Families escaping the fusillade led donkeys strapped with mattresses and bags of clothes the other way, down the steep footpaths. They passed crippled trees, cratered houses and empty villages. Some of the villagers had shrapnel scars and described seeing relatives blown apart during a five-week artillery barrage from Pakistan.
My grandson was nine years old, said Juma Gul, a 60-year-old village elder in the Sirkanay district in eastern Afghanistan. He and three other children were herding our goats when a rocket came. All four were killed. We could not find most of their bodies.
A loud crack sounded and rolled over the peaks. Gul swept his hand toward the mountain range rising toward Pakistan. Still the rockets are landing here, he said.
The shelling in Kunar province is taking place along one of the most strategically important fronts of the war a haven for hardcore insurgent groups fighting in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Pakistan has been so stung by insurgents recent cross-border attacks, they launched an offensive that also highlights NATOs struggles to pacify the area and the lack of cooperation between Afghanistan and Pakistan against their common foes.
NATO officials, in fact, say they were unaware of the extent of Pakistans artillery barrage across Afghanistans border until last week because Western troops have been pulled back from more remote outposts in Kunar.
Afghan government officials suspected that Pakistan had launched more than 761 rockets over the border into Kunar province since May and causing the deaths of at least 40 people and injuring 51. Pakistan has denied hitting Afghanistan intentionally, but acknowledged its military has been targeting terrorists to halt cross-border raids and that some rockets may have strayed off course.
Last month, Afghan President Hamid Karzai complained about the shelling to the top NATO commander in Afghanistan, US Gen David Petraeus, US Ambassador Karl Eikenberry and President Asif Ali Zardari.
Since those meetings, however, the assaults appear to have intensified in Kunar, about 205 kilometres east of Kabul.
Coalition officials acknowledged that recent tensions along Kunars border has festered for weeks without an adequate response from the international alliance, in part because they consolidated troops from scattered valley and border outposts to centralised bases after coming under relentless attacks from militants.
The redeployment reflects a tactical shift from counterinsurgency operations emphasising development projects and regular contacts to win over local populations to counter-terrorism operations that emphasise killing militants.
Last week, US forces launched an offensive in Watapoor district in northeastern Kunar province, said US Army Lt Col Chad Carroll, a spokesman for the 1st Calvary Division at Regional Command East. Carroll said the objective of the operation was less to take strategic terrain than to target insurgents.
Its more about enemy locations than it is about a spot on the ground, he said. US soldiers have killed 80 to 100 militants in the district, Carroll said. But Taliban fighters still manage to stage attacks on both sides of Kunars border, Afghan officials say.
There are only finite resources, manpower, said British Maj Tim James, a NATO spokesman.
The situation along Kunars border suggests the kind of future challenges Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO will face as US forces leave according to President Barack Obamas schedule for the withdrawal of combat troops by 2014, when security will transition to Afghan control.
During two days in Sirkanay district, Afghan border police were the most conspicuous forces on the roads, where they appeared to operate with a degree of autonomy from NATO. Only two other security units were seen: An armored NATO patrol and a newly established local police unit. Two new border police camps built next to NATO bases housed a well-maintained fleet of new Ford pick-up trucks and young policemen carrying AK-47s.
The border polices movements, however, were severely limited by shelling from Pakistan and by Taliban hiding in mountain villages.
The withdrawal of NATO forces has had a direct effect on insecurity, said Gen Aminullah Amerkhail, the eastern region commander of the Afghan border police, who added that his forces were not strong enough to assault known Taliban positions. I will not go to those villages without air support from the Americans.
Amerkhail offered his resignation to the Afghan interior minister to protest NATOs and Pakistans response to the problems along the border.
Pakistani officials, too, have complained about NATO inaction in southeast Kunar.
Five times in June, militants based in Kunar and Nangarhar massed up to 300 fighters to stage cross-border attacks against Pakistani security checkpoints, killing 55 paramilitary soldiers and tribal police, Pakistani army officials said. Pakistani air and ground assaults drove the insurgents back.
Pakistani army spokesman Maj Athar Abbas said that no rounds have been fired into Afghanistan intentionally, although it is possible that a few rounds may have accidentally fallen over the border. Abbas defended the assaults.
There is no effort to act against these strongholds or sanctuaries, he said. Many terrorist leaders are gathered there, and there is no pressure on them to leave.
Whatever Pakistans defensive rationale, Afghanistan views the border attacks as an infringement on its sovereignty.
Afghan security officials have warned Pakistan that continued artillery fire into its territory would be met with a response that could include Afghan military action.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
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The following article from a couple of days ago is also relevant, and IMO illustrates US/ISAF complicity in allowing these terrorist attacks to be conducted from Eastern Afghanistan, much like the US argues Pakistani complicity in allowing attacks from NW.
However, the scale of attacks from Eastern Afghanistan on Pakistan and the casualties inflicted easily dwarf the alleged attacks out of NW in Afghanistan, as Ejaz Haider argues in his article that is linked at the end of the post.
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By Haris Anwar and James Rupert - Jun 30, 2011 11:29 PM ET
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A U.S. pullback of troops from northeastern Afghanistan over 20 months has let Islamic guerrillas establish bases in the area and carry out unusually large attacks on Pakistan in recent weeks, the Pakistani military said.
Several Pakistani Taliban groups moved fighters into Nuristan and Kunar and used those Afghan provinces five times in the past month to send forces numbering in the hundreds to attack Pakistani border posts or police stations, said military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas.
“In the past we never had this kind of experience, where 200 to 300 militants attacked us,” Abbas said yesterday in an interview at Pakistan’s army headquarters in Rawalpindi. “It’s a big body in this mountainous terrain” and shows that the militants have established bases in northeastern Afghanistan that can house, feed and transport such groups, he said.
Pakistan’s complaint about the Taliban filling a power vacuum in Afghanistan comes as President Barack Obama pledged June 22 to withdraw 33,000 U.S. soldiers between this month and the end of next year, replacing them with Afghan troops and police the U.S. is helping to train. The U.S. government contends that Pakistan has failed to eliminate similar safe areas for the guerrillas in its border districts, especially North Waziristan.
The complaints on both sides underscore the need and the difficulty for Pakistan and Afghanistan to maintain control all the way to the isolated, mountainous border between them, Abbas said.
Escape Route
Pakistani officials say the U.S. pullback from northeastern Afghanistan since late 2009 has given the Taliban an escape route from the Pakistan army’s offensives to clear the militants from two adjacent Pakistani districts, Bajaur and Mohmand.
“The best economy of effort is by conducting joint operations” to trap the guerrillas between U.S. and Pakistani forces, Abbas said.
“We know the border is very porous and the insurgents are using the terrain to their advantage,” said U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander Kaye Sweetser, a spokeswoman for the U.S.- led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan. “We’re constantly trying to deal with that.”
While ISAF “is aware of media reports from Pakistan” saying the Taliban have carried out attacks from Afghanistan, Sweetser said she didn’t immediately have independent information on the incidents.
Laying Blame
Afghanistan’s Defense Ministry spokesman, General Zaher Azimi, denied that any Pakistani Taliban maintain bases anywhere in Afghanistan. Pakistan is “trying to blame Afghanistan,” Azimi said in a phone interview.
Hundreds of Taliban fighters crossed the border from Kunar on mountain ridges as high as 3,700 meters (12,000 feet) to attack police stations in Pakistan’s Dir Valley on April 22 and on June 1, Abbas said. About 300 fighters crossed into Pakistan’s Bajaur tribal district last month and seized two border posts, killing 15 Pakistani security officers, he said.
As the Pakistani army has undertaken offensives since 2007 to re-capture districts taken over by the Taliban, the surviving Taliban forces have moved to Kunar and Nuristan to regroup, Abbas said. These include Taliban commanders Hakimullah Mehsud from South Waziristan, Faqir Muhammad from Bajaur and Abdul Wali from Mohmand, he said.
The U.S. military made its most prominent advance into Nuristan after 2006, establishing several small outposts to interdict guerrillas crossing into the province from Pakistan. After repeated Taliban attacks on the camps left dozens of U.S. soldiers dead, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, ordered a shift of troops from rural outposts to population centers, and the Nuristan bases were abandoned in 2009.
“ISAF posts were vacated and that created a void,” Abbas said. “Unless we resolve this, it will not allow the whole effort of bringing stability in the region.”
To contact the reporters on this story: Haris Anwar in Islamabad at hanwar2@bloomberg.net; James Rupert in Islamabad at jrupert3@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Peter Hirschberg in Hong Kong at phirschberg@bloomberg.net
U.S. Afghan Pullback Lets Taliban Open New Bases, Pakistan Military Says - Bloomberg
Ejaz Haider's article:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/115723-no-operation-north-waziristan-agency.html
However, the scale of attacks from Eastern Afghanistan on Pakistan and the casualties inflicted easily dwarf the alleged attacks out of NW in Afghanistan, as Ejaz Haider argues in his article that is linked at the end of the post.
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U.S. Afghan Pullback Lets Taliban Open New Bases, Pakistan Military Says
By Haris Anwar and James Rupert - Jun 30, 2011 11:29 PM ET
...
A U.S. pullback of troops from northeastern Afghanistan over 20 months has let Islamic guerrillas establish bases in the area and carry out unusually large attacks on Pakistan in recent weeks, the Pakistani military said.
Several Pakistani Taliban groups moved fighters into Nuristan and Kunar and used those Afghan provinces five times in the past month to send forces numbering in the hundreds to attack Pakistani border posts or police stations, said military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas.
“In the past we never had this kind of experience, where 200 to 300 militants attacked us,” Abbas said yesterday in an interview at Pakistan’s army headquarters in Rawalpindi. “It’s a big body in this mountainous terrain” and shows that the militants have established bases in northeastern Afghanistan that can house, feed and transport such groups, he said.
Pakistan’s complaint about the Taliban filling a power vacuum in Afghanistan comes as President Barack Obama pledged June 22 to withdraw 33,000 U.S. soldiers between this month and the end of next year, replacing them with Afghan troops and police the U.S. is helping to train. The U.S. government contends that Pakistan has failed to eliminate similar safe areas for the guerrillas in its border districts, especially North Waziristan.
The complaints on both sides underscore the need and the difficulty for Pakistan and Afghanistan to maintain control all the way to the isolated, mountainous border between them, Abbas said.
Escape Route
Pakistani officials say the U.S. pullback from northeastern Afghanistan since late 2009 has given the Taliban an escape route from the Pakistan army’s offensives to clear the militants from two adjacent Pakistani districts, Bajaur and Mohmand.
“The best economy of effort is by conducting joint operations” to trap the guerrillas between U.S. and Pakistani forces, Abbas said.
“We know the border is very porous and the insurgents are using the terrain to their advantage,” said U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander Kaye Sweetser, a spokeswoman for the U.S.- led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan. “We’re constantly trying to deal with that.”
While ISAF “is aware of media reports from Pakistan” saying the Taliban have carried out attacks from Afghanistan, Sweetser said she didn’t immediately have independent information on the incidents.
Laying Blame
Afghanistan’s Defense Ministry spokesman, General Zaher Azimi, denied that any Pakistani Taliban maintain bases anywhere in Afghanistan. Pakistan is “trying to blame Afghanistan,” Azimi said in a phone interview.
Hundreds of Taliban fighters crossed the border from Kunar on mountain ridges as high as 3,700 meters (12,000 feet) to attack police stations in Pakistan’s Dir Valley on April 22 and on June 1, Abbas said. About 300 fighters crossed into Pakistan’s Bajaur tribal district last month and seized two border posts, killing 15 Pakistani security officers, he said.
As the Pakistani army has undertaken offensives since 2007 to re-capture districts taken over by the Taliban, the surviving Taliban forces have moved to Kunar and Nuristan to regroup, Abbas said. These include Taliban commanders Hakimullah Mehsud from South Waziristan, Faqir Muhammad from Bajaur and Abdul Wali from Mohmand, he said.
The U.S. military made its most prominent advance into Nuristan after 2006, establishing several small outposts to interdict guerrillas crossing into the province from Pakistan. After repeated Taliban attacks on the camps left dozens of U.S. soldiers dead, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, ordered a shift of troops from rural outposts to population centers, and the Nuristan bases were abandoned in 2009.
“ISAF posts were vacated and that created a void,” Abbas said. “Unless we resolve this, it will not allow the whole effort of bringing stability in the region.”
To contact the reporters on this story: Haris Anwar in Islamabad at hanwar2@bloomberg.net; James Rupert in Islamabad at jrupert3@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Peter Hirschberg in Hong Kong at phirschberg@bloomberg.net
U.S. Afghan Pullback Lets Taliban Open New Bases, Pakistan Military Says - Bloomberg
Ejaz Haider's article:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/115723-no-operation-north-waziristan-agency.html
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This is what perhaps is the best solution to stem the war. However, I wonder why someone complains when we take the same step against Bangladesh.
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Not effective, even if we did have the necessary resources to do it, since we would also need to deploy the necessary manpower and other supporting assets (surveillance drones, cameras, sensors, choppers/PAF to respond extremely rapidly to any detected infiltration). Given the terrain, very daunting challenge.
Without the support elements along the lines mentioned, fences and mines can be easily bypassed.
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I hope you are not insinuating that Pakistanis have a problem with this, this is a bilateral matter between your two countries.
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Pakistan has protested to ISAF and AFghan forces head on it, lets see if it bears some fruits, or else we must deal the situation with an Iron hand !
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I think posts like Tallboy's should not be answered but simply deleted and the member banned so the next time when they open their mouth less crap comes out of it.
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