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Ouran and Siyer was the Elective in Turkish Schools

Your question is exactly what I explained earlier, what I hate most is repeating myself.
I will re-paste it here so you probably can comprehend it.

The government of Turkey whose 99% of its inhabitants are Muslims are going to give all the other religions same opportunity?
It wouldn't harm me if they did so, but I doubt they will form Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism classes or Christian classes since people are Muslim, and want to learn about Islam, Qur'an and Muhammad (pbuh).

It is a progression to start with the significant ones at first, maybe other religions will follow after this first step. Everything happens step by step. No school can afford to teach 20 different religion, since there are not sufficent teachers to teach every respective religion. But starting with what 99% wants is not a bad idea in my head, later you can focus on the 0.1% and 0.3% minorities (in total 1%).

Maybe I need to simplify it for you: I have no problem if Hinduism or Buddhism or Judaism or Christinaity was being tough as elective subjects. I highly doubt there will be enough students from ordinary school's though who will want to learn these religions since people are simply just Muslim in Turkey, or at least 99% of it (94% according to deno, but it doesnt matter). This means, if a class got 30 students in avarage in Turkey, not even a single student would want to select any other religion besides what he believes (which is Islam). In every 3 classes (of 30 students each) maybe you will find 1 interested (in other religions besides Islam).
I can't believe how you can't calculate those simple and highly obvious matters instead of talking nonesense about "eveyone should have equal rights".
I hope you can understand the point after simplifying my point into bits.

And let me ask you a question now. Do you think this approach was wrong by the parliament?

@deno

as Zulkarneyn states, a very untrustworthy source. And I still don't see any 20 billion dollar thingy (even in this untrustworthy site).

The Fatih Project is one of them and it will cost around 9 billion TL and not to forget that the tablet project for schools included in this... Think about that for a second and reply to me. I am sleepy so I would look at your answer tommorow.
 
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@selim 1

I wanted you to know, im holding myself from cursing you. First of all, you have no means to know who wants to learn what. Even a muslim may want to learn hindu, how to mediate etc.

If in practice it's not possible to make it equal, the government best not get into it in the first place. People have their own means of learning their religion.

And yes, your brilliant calculations doesnt mean a thing...
 
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Your question is exactly what I explained earlier, what I hate most is repeating myself.
I will re-paste it here so you probably can comprehend it.

The government of Turkey whose 99% of its inhabitants are Muslims are going to give all the other religions same opportunity?
It wouldn't harm me if they did so, but I doubt they will form Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism classes or Christian classes since people are Muslim, and want to learn about Islam, Qur'an and Muhammad (pbuh).

It is a progression to start with the significant ones at first, maybe other religions will follow after this first step. Everything happens step by step. No school can afford to teach 20 different religion, since there are not sufficent teachers to teach every respective religion. But starting with what 99% wants is not a bad idea in my head, later you can focus on the 0.1% and 0.3% minorities (in total 1%).

Maybe I need to simplify it for you: I have no problem if Hinduism or Buddhism or Judaism or Christinaity was being tough as elective subjects. I highly doubt there will be enough students from ordinary school's though who will want to learn these religions since people are simply just Muslim in Turkey, or at least 99% of it (94% according to deno, but it doesnt matter). This means, if a class got 30 students in avarage in Turkey, not even a single student would want to select any other religion besides what he believes (which is Islam). In every 3 classes (of 30 students each) maybe you will find 1 interested (in other religions besides Islam).
I can't believe how you can't calculate those simple and highly obvious matters instead of talking nonesense about "eveyone should have equal rights".
I hope you can understand the point after simplifying my point into bits.

And let me ask you a question now. Do you think this approach was wrong by the parliament?

@deno

as Zulkarneyn states, a very untrustworthy source. And I still don't see any 20 billion dollar thingy (even in this untrustworthy site).

The Fatih Project is one of them and it will cost around 9 billion TL and not to forget that the tablet project for schools included in this... Think about that for a second and reply to me. I am sleepy so I would look at your answer tommorow.
 
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@selim 1

I wanted you to know, im holding myself from cursing you. First of all, you have no means to know who wants to learn what. Even a muslim may want to learn hindu, how to mediate etc.

If in practice it's not possible to make it equal, the government best not get into it in the first place. People have their own means of learning their religion.

And yes, your brilliant calculations doesnt mean a thing...
 
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No one is forcing anyone to offer Qur'an or Siyer lectures. You probably didn't even read the first article yet?

And no, in Denmark (as former mentioned) Christianity is a obligatory (not elective) subject in primary school. So yes, even those "atheist" danes are "forcing" you to learn CHRISTIANITY! (OH MY GOD!?!??!!?!??!? DEMOCRACY!??!?!?!?!?)

Denmark is one of the most racist country on earth...
 
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Seems like I missed the elective part. But still, dude chill. I was just trying to say that people should be given the choice to learn about other religions too, in a way i described in my previous post.
 
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I was on the edge of cursing you too kemalist-legionaire

And you still didn't answer my question. What do you think of this approach by the parliament?
 
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I was on the edge of cursing you too kemalist-legionaire

And you still didn't answer my question. What do you think of this approach by the parliament?
Well, first of all I take the kemalist for a compliment :) Thank you

Since the muslim-majority people elected them to protect their rights and they are getting their votes from muslim-majority people they dont really care about what is right and what is wrong.

Im not surprised by any of this. Hell, they are politicians not philosophers of course they will do what gives them political power. I just wish things were better but truth is bitter.

Hmm it rhymed :)
 
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People are afraid of İslam, some of them from the early childhood have been told that its something bad, scary, some of them see only the extremist way of it, i believe that if one person try to understand İslam he will see there is nothing to be afraid, its not about to worship the same god or no god, just about the philosophy of İslam. If you ask to an avarage american or any western citizen "What comes to your mind when you think of terrorism?" most of them'll attach it to Islam and Muslims without doubt, İslamophobia is the biggest sickness of our era and thats why there is nothing wrong by teaching the beauty of İslam, after all its an elective..If you are a non-believer just dont take the lesson thats quite easy.. Some say "Citizens are equal, other religions must be tought as well, doesnt matter majority or minority.." Google how many beliefs and religions exist on the world, and just imagine the minorities of different believers take place in Turkey, you can figure out the results right? If is there a place on the world which there is such amazing system, teachs any religion to any believer, i suggest you to remove there. Some other say " ..to teach the religion is not Gov's business.." So.. Who's gonna do that, you people dont want Imam Hatips, Kur'an Kursları, Imam&Cami system..Who the hell is gonna teach the religion? Nope, its government's job to make it done. You can tag me as Extremist & İslamist, really i do not care, This is a Muslim majority country and this law is about what majority wants.. When atheists get %50 of votes, they are free to change it.
Regards
 
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And so much for multi-religious imperial state ideas :/ Can't give the minorities equal rights they feel the need to dominate. :tdown:

In my opinion people must learn to love the nature and human life itself and embrace life. They need to understand the outside world first if they want to truly understand religion.

Religion makes a good person better, but a bad person even can corrupt religion, use it in his own purposes. Sad truth, every human value is open to corruption. be it kemalism, islamism, nationalism doesn't matter...
 
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Yes there have been "Turkic" empires, which one lasted the longest? which is the best known? which one gave the western powers the most opposition and could be called an equal or excelled them.

The last 3 turkic empires are probably the best known? Yes or no. What did they have in common? Islam.

By trying to articulate your point, you have reinforced mine. Turks are nothing without Islam, current Turks as in the Republic of Turkey have many differences to other Turkic people. You are the descedents of the ottomans, hold that name with pride as other muslims would love to cherish this name. Non-muslims would in fact hold pride at this but you as turks don't by refuting the basis upon which it flourished: Islam. Its detriment came about by parties going against the tenets upon which it was built i.e. the saudi traitors, atheists, undercover zionists plans etc.

I strive for the days where you will once again declare the rise of the Ottamons, grow out of your kemalist ideaology. He won't help you on the day of judgement.
 
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I dont see what the problem here is in the first place, So what they learn about Islam! 95% Of Turkish population is Muslim! Its not like we are forcing people to become Muslims if that is what you think. The AKP did a great job be approving this law and you kemalists should accept and appreciate it. Kicking and Punching is not selution. Atleast the AKP is nowhere close to become an Regime such as in Iran.
 
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Nationnalism is against the Teachings of Islam ! In Islam all Muslims are Brother no matter if they are black, white, asian or european, The Universe and the whole World does belong to Allah S.W.T. There is no Race which is superior than the other, all characteristics and the Color of the Skin were given by Allah S.W.T.

 
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Nationnalism is against the Teachings of Islam ! In Islam all Muslims are Brother no matter if they are black, white, asian or european, The Universe and the whole World does belong to Allah S.W.T. There is no Race which is superior than the other, all characteristics and the Color of the Skin were given by Allah S.W.T.


Proud to be a Turk.
 
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