Ouran and Siyer was the Elective in Turkish Schools

[Selim I]

it is not the challenge i do. Just brain storming.

You are comparing computer to Allah. Even the human brain is far greater than computer if trained to work correctly.

When you say You know Allah, i find it unreal. If that wisdom would have been so easy to achieve, Muslims would have been 1st in the space race. But capitalists and communists did it.

Muslims just bow to the allmighty Creator- Allah, and without even looking whats going on outer space. They ( i exclude myself here, cause i do search for the knowledge) leave it hoping to know the truth in the afterlife. While in eartly life, Muslims still stand backward behind other civilizations.

I am giving an example of the difference of your questions.

I told you over and over that we know alot about the attributes of Allah (swt) and that tells us alot about who Allah (swt) is. (as I tried to explain).

 

[AKINCI]

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[Armstrong]

Have some mercy on me and add a translation to whatever you post in Turkish !

@ AKICI - I can't even use a Google Translator for that....

 

[Selim I]

Have some mercy on me and add a translation to whatever you post in Turkish !

@ AKICI - I can't even use a Google Translator for that....

It says: "As an irreligious society can't be imagined, schools without religion-courses can't be imagined either". K. atatürk.

 

[Armstrong]

It says: "As an irreligious society can't be imagined, schools without religion-courses can't be imagined either". K. atatürk.

I was told that Ataturk was an atheist. I'm not sure if an atheist would be passing such a statement !

 

[LegionnairE]

It's general belief that Ataturk wasn't a religious person but there is no way of telling if he was an atheist or not. People are exaggarating things as usual.
to me, doesn't matter

 

[Selim I]

I was told that Ataturk was an atheist. I'm not sure if an atheist would be passing such a statement !

That's why I call him "Strategically two-faced leader", which implies that he can be a strong believer sometimes when he visits cities and towns, but an atheist when he talks in the parliament.

But Allah (swt) knows best.

Wallahu - A'lem

 

[Deno]

I was told that Ataturk was an atheist. I'm not sure if an atheist would be passing such a statement !

Mustafa Kemal was an atheist but he knew that Turks will not abandon religion and nations that are not advanced enough will not survive without religion

 

[Selim I]

No comment.

 

[Mosamania]

Mustafa Kemal was an atheist but he knew that Turks will not abandon religion and nations that are not advanced enough will not survive without religion

I hate how you are implying that "Religion is not for the advanced"....

 

[Deno]

I was told that Ataturk was an atheist. I'm not sure if an atheist would be passing such a statement !

Or: Maybe he was a muslim but knew that at that time with religion was used to control masses was a thread to the state and thats why he created a secular state...

Or

He was a muslim with ideals that he wanted his nation to achive and see that only a secular state with every citizen as equal without regarding the religion. He was definitly see the salvation of the state and nation in national oriented state that based on statism, non-stop revolutionism, laicism * French Secularism = denouncing religion from state bussiness completly *, Halkçılık = there is no english word as I know but it means giving great importance to public, nationalism, republicanism.

His ideals worked fine when he was alive. There was corruption as expected in every nation and specially in every new state but he made the state into fastest growing economy of the world, Turkey was producing military civil planes * we experted 300+ planes to Holland * military and civil ships, railroads trough out the country, opening countless schools... But after him corruption cameback like it was in the Ottoman times with full force.

His ideals, his face, his words and even his name used as tool to controll people... Nationalism and statehood used as silencing protests against the states wrong doings... Other ugly stuff done by his name... Majority of Turkish people respected him as much as phropet Mohammed and propably more than phropet but the constant using his ideals and name as a tool for corruption created resentment for some but most still respects him as the creator and saviour as our nation

 

[Selim I]

I hate how you are implying that "Religion is not for the advanced"....

I actually didn't understand the words of hers the same way you did. I thought she meant that weak nations needs religion more because need to systemize their country with the help of the religion.

but if she meant otherwise, i will take back my word. thought at the end she could see that religion is a help-parameter and not otherwise.

please clearify deno.

 

[Deno]

I hate how you are implying that "Religion is not for the advanced"....

No it is not... Religion is tool created to control people in masses. To give them hope when there is none and people are about lose their cool to keep them controlled when they need to explode and create revolutions, to get them into line by its moral demands when they should be free and act upon their own minds and insticts rather than rules created by one person hundreds or thausands of years ago, to silenced them when they should be loud

Religion is a collar for humans and true free mind should be from the obvious shackles of religion.

 

[Mosamania]

No it is not... Religion is tool created to control people in masses. To give them hope when there is none and people are about lose their cool to keep them controlled when they need to explode and create revolutions, to get them into line by its moral demands when they should be free and act upon their own minds and insticts rather than rules created by one person hundreds or thausands of years ago, to silenced them when they should be loud

Religion is a collar for humans and true free mind should be from the obvious shackles of religion.

I disagree... I am not going into details about that.

 

[Selim I]

Okay, I got my answer. Took back my word, thought wrong of her due to my optimism.

I'll go to bed now though, won't comment anymore today.