OUR CHINA-CENTRIC MILITARY CAPABILITY

[Alchemy]

Which means that the weapons will be of a lower technological standard.

No-one is counting any chickens here.

I was only answering an Indian who made a claim that in 10-15 years time India would be relatively more powerful compared to China.

Mr Bengali dude you are making too many assumptions to please your Chinese friends who are out to snatch away your brahmaputra water ..... By the way , try to back up what ever statements you make with proofs else dont make any random statements like That Indian weapons are of "lower technological standard" ,and that "Chinese weapons on par with US weapons" etc etc

 

[sweetgrape]

did CCP feed u all these cheap propanganda in ur mind
Yes u better remain in that dream world ,india is arming itself according to it's strategic needs & it's geopolitical ambitions not for
arm race with any land greedy self proclaimed superpower country .



my GOD what trash is this

tell u what india has according to the so called pirated weapons list u have posted
1) j 20 : india would have PAKFA with customized french ,isreaeli avionics & sensor suite & india's experience in software & composite technology

2) CJ-10 : india is few countries in this world to have all 3 versions of cruise missiles'

a) subsonic : nirbhay cruise missile about 1000-1200 km range to be tested in this august
b) supersonic: brahmos LCAM
c) hypersonic : brahmos II to be tested in 2014-15

3) anti satellite weapon : india's DRDO chairman V.K saraswat clearly stated in news that after agni 5 we would focus on anti
satellite weapons ,& it is not a big deal but we may not test it to avoid international condemnation but
simulate it's test
4)mid course anti-ballistic missile test: india is way ahead in this arena compare to china
u beter see AAD & PAD anti ballistic missile system (2 tier ABM system) soon it is going to
be 3 tiered
5)ballistic missile launch early warning system:
lollz u better see what early warning system we have
a) sword fish radar : 600km detection of ballistic missile
b) green pine radar : 500 km detection of ballistic missile

6) KJ-2000/KJ-200: we have one of finest awacs in the world
phalcon awacs which is now a sour grape for u guys
also DRDO indigenious awacs are being developed & would be inducted as soon as possible

7)Terminal sensitive projectile :llollz u forgot that we have a tested & world 's one of the most cluster bombs,the CBU95/105
system which can take care of entire brigade of chinese toy tanks
It is defintely more advanced & proven platform than urs

8)Z10 : haaa.haa u forgot that we are going to have world's best combat helicopter apache block 3/4
& of course HAL's very own LCH is very impressive & competitive to international standards

9)J-10 fitted with WS-10A engines. : U forgot j10A is fitted with AL 31f not Ws 10a & it is no match infact it's a fluke compare
to legendary Rafale which india is going to have ha..haa

10) composite material already applied in so many weapon systems. : llollz u forgot india has mastered the art of composites in
LCA ,DHRUV helicopter & ofcourse it would be utilized in future
platforms


U better stay in ur dreamland that good for U
so a big loll for u

Seems, Many weapon you list here is future weapon, You don't need to test it in reality!!!
What can I said, you defeat me, you are invincible!!

 

[DrSomnath999]

Seems, Many weapon you list here is future weapon, You don't need to test it in reality!!!
What can I said, you defeat me, you are invincible!!

so do yours my darling many of ur weapons that were in that pirated list were also future weapons for china they havent been inducted yet but tested only like ours

 

[somebozo]

Lets not forget that the guidance system in the missile came from Russia, and given Sino-Russian close relation it will be a matter of interest to see whether Putin will allow large scale export of guidance system for mass production of this missile.

 

[UKBengali]

how ???/ kindly explain

Let us take here and now where China and India are.

India(apart from Akash SAM) is unable to make any other weapons system indigenously.

China makes every major weapons system indigenously - J-10(apart from engine for now), J-11B(with WS-10A turbofan since 2010), Type-052C AESA destroyer, AWACs, Main battle tanks, SAMs, nuclear SSNs etc.

Apart from the nuclear SSNs, nearly everything else in the above list is on/virtually on a par with what the Europeans can produce. This shows a good deal of technological maturity.

We now have a base where the next level of technological development can take place.

China has tons more cash than any European country can hope to muster, and with the fact that China has much more scientists and engineers, this will allow the Chinese to catch up and surpass the Europeans in nearly all fields in 10-15 years.

We have already seen evidence in the areas of stealth aircraft(j-20) and anti-ballistic missile defence where the Europeans have already fallen behind the Chinese.

So in 10-15 years it would be reasonable to conclude that the Chinese would have surpassed all countries bar the US.

Then China can pump out state-of-the-art systems while India would have no choice but to produce/import weapons inferior to what China could field.

If 2025 was now, then we think of China producing F-22s and India having to settle for F-35s imported from the US and maybe also being able to produce a semi-decent stealth fighter itself by then.

 

[ayesha.a]

Lets not forget that the guidance system in the missile came from Russia, and given Sino-Russian close relation it will be a matter of interest to see whether Putin will allow large scale export of guidance system for mass production of this missile.

Lets not forget that that is a fiction made up by some chinese trolls who are now banned. Otherwise, please show a neutral source for that. First PDF members manufacture fiction, then take it to the level of "lets not forget that". A lie repeated a thousand times...

If chinese members say the sun is black, and pakistanis keep repeating it, that wont make the sun black. It will just make both the sayers and repeaters look foolish.

 

[Sergi]

Lets not forget that that is a fiction made up by some chinese trolls who are now banned. Otherwise, please show a neutral source for that. First PDF members manufacture fiction, then take it to the level of "lets not forget that". A lie repeated a thousand times...

What ??? My friend is banned ???

 

[ayesha.a]

What ??? My friend is banned ???

Don't worry, not for long. They sport chinese flags, so they should be back soon.

 

[illuminatidinesh]

Ha Munshi's Mission accomplished........

 

[Hafizzz]

so do yours my darling many of ur weapons that were in that pirated list were also future weapons for china they havent been inducted yet but tested only like ours

See below on what China had PIRATED :

Indian missile falls short for China
Asia Times Online :: Indian missile falls short for China

The DRDO, which has an otherwise poor record of weapons development, claims Agni-V is built almost fully with indigenous technology, although Indian scientists are known to copy readily available Russian blueprints.

India's "Indigenous" Copies of Foreign Nukes, Missiles
Haq's Musings: India's "Indigenous" Copies of Foreign Nukes, Missiles

Indian Agni BM Technology origin
Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control - Stopping Arms Proliferation at the Source

i think u have not heared about the tortoise & hare story in ur schooling

The Tortoise is badly outmatched by a Deep Pocket Hare with a very developed Defense Industry that can crank any weapon while the Tortoise depends on foreign imports and is labeled "The World's Top Arms Importer".

The Hare is not asleep and there is no chance for the Tortoise to catchup....maybe the Tortoise can have some Ketchup instead.

 

[ayesha.a]

See below on what China had PIRATED :

Indian missile falls short for China
Asia Times Online :: Indian missile falls short for China

The DRDO, which has an otherwise poor record of weapons development, claims Agni-V is built almost fully with indigenous technology, although Indian scientists are known to copy readily available Russian blueprints.

India's "Indigenous" Copies of Foreign Nukes, Missiles
Haq's Musings: India's "Indigenous" Copies of Foreign Nukes, Missiles

Indian Agni BM Technology origin
Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control - Stopping Arms Proliferation at the Source

From the same link that you put up:

Pakistan Needs Foreign Help to Develop Missiles
Pakistan Derives its First "Hatf" Missiles from Foreign Space Rockets
Pakistan: Nuclear Helpers

Be careful about putting up links without reading, they may reveal more than what you want them to!

 

[PRINCE_THE_SHOWSTOPPER]

you are damn wrong.

when the Soviet Union had the arm race with the US, both nations allocated huge amount of resources to their defense sector and spent those resources domestically. that is when Moscow wants a new fighter/bomber/missile, some factories/research orginaizations inside Soviet Union gets the job. Most of those allocated resources got spent in its domestic market.

this clearly has some positive impact on its economic and sciencific progress.

however, how many india's best weapons are designed/built in india? here we are not talking about licensed production by assembling fighter kits. the truth is a huge chunk of its defense budget becomes some western companies profit and couldn't push for india's own tech improvement.

the case is very different for China.

in short, by having such arm race, india is in a much worse situation than USSR, they not only fact a huge tech/money gap, but also lack a positive feedback loop which can use those spending to actually improve itself.

the best example here is to compare the achievement made by Chinese/indians in the past 5 years. Let's start from Chinese side:

1. J-20
2. CJ-10
3. anti-satelliate weapon
4. mid course anti-ballistic missile test
5. ballistic missile launch early warning system
6. KJ-2000/KJ-200
7. Terminal sensitive projectile
8. Z-10
9. J-10 fitted with WS-10A engines.
10. composite material already applied in so many weapon systems.

tell me what india has? Arjun, LCA?

it is also sad to see the recent missile test success made their nation in such joy mode.

a backward missile fitted with a russian seeker, illegally brought from russia under the name of rocket research...

so dirty

read it,here is your answer
http://drdo wikipedia

these are far better quality weapons than ur copied chinese junk

 

[DrSomnath999]

Let us take here and now where China and India are.

After reading all this Biased B.S crap from here i dont know how to start ok lets start
Tell u what ur logic is a absolute disaster yes i am right now see how i debunk it

India(apart from Akash SAM) is unable to make any other weapons system indigenously.



China makes every major weapons system indigenously - J-10(apart from engine for now), J-11B(with WS-10A turbofan since 2010), Type-052C AESA destroyer, AWACs, Main battle tanks, SAMs, nuclear SSNs etc.

Dude if that so then china is also unable to make many weapons compleletly indigeniuoly i mean it has also some components either russian or secret isreali help in it's weapon system .It is practically impossible
to make every system literally 100% of your own

In comparsion to that india also has it's weapon system that u mentioned here apart from stealth jet we have not developed yet

Apart from the nuclear SSNs, nearly everything else in the above list is on/virtually on a par with what the Europeans can produce. This shows a good deal of technological maturity.

haa..haa since when did u certified chinese weapon as par as european standard while indian weapons inferior to european standards .
Are u a defence journalist

We now have a base where the next level of technological development can take place.

hey wait a minute what do u mean by "WE"??? do u mean bangladesh / britain as ur national flag is from 2 countries since when
did bangladesh had such next level of technological development i didnot know thats a news to me

China has tons more cash than any European country can hope to muster, and with the fact that China has much more scientists and engineers, this will allow the Chinese to catch up and surpass the Europeans in nearly all fields in 10-15 years.

well sorry u forgot the World bank report of china this year & dont worry about europeans france /germany would always have
strong economy ,technologically they would always have the edge in terms of military

We have already seen evidence in the areas of stealth aircraft(j-20) and anti-ballistic missile defence where the Europeans have already fallen behind the Chinese.

LLOLLLZ they are smart people they are rather investing in UCAVS like BAE taranis & french have their own Neuron UCAVS rather
than wasting money on costly 5th gen fighters

& france has recently shown it's PAAMS ( aster 15- 30 )sam which has ABM capanbilty meanwhile china is still in infancy in those 2 areas . Hmm thats why they were interested in russian S 400 sams

So in 10-15 years it would be reasonable to conclude that the Chinese would have surpassed all countries bar the US.

Hmmm sweet dreams & europeans(france ,germany UK) , russians & indians would be in still medieval era according to u in 10 -15 years from now

Then China can pump out state-of-the-art systems while India would have no choice but to produce/import weapons inferior to what China could field.

haa..haa now who told u this CCP .Well see people blame us for having inferiority complex about chinese & meanwhile people have inferiority complex against us for no good reason .
EXCUSE ME do u know a superpower country like US has bought a weapon system from us ??
US firm signs up DRDO for explosives detection kit technology

New Delhi. India's Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) has got a shot in the arm for its efforts to market its world-class products globally with an American firm signing it up for technology transfer of an explosive detection kit (EDK).

US firm Crowe and Company signed a memoradum of understanding April 25 with DRDO for obtaining licence for the technology of EDK.
The kit, developed by the Pune-based High Energy Material Research Lab (HEMRL), a DRDO lab, is already in use with the Indian armed forces.
HEMRL director Subhananda Rao signed the agreement with Crowe and Company president Faye Crowe here in the presence of DRDO Chief Controller Research and Development (Aeronautics and Services Interaction) Prahlada.
HEMRL has developed the kit for quick detection and identification of explosives based on any combination of nitro esters, nitramines, trinitrotoluene (TNT), dynamite or black powder.
The testing requires only three to five miligram of suspected sample and only three or four drops of reagents. The EDK comes packed in a vanity case-sized box and in miniature vials.
It contains reagents capable of detecting explosives, even in extremely small, trace quantities.
Crowe and Company had approached the Federation of Indian Chambers of commerce and Industry (FICCI) to enter into a MoU for licensing agreement with the DRDO for the EDK technology.
In the past, FICCI has also facilitated a similar kind of licensing agreement for explosive detection kit between DRDO and an Indian company Vantage Integrated Security Solutions.

..:: India Strategic ::.. Security: US firm signs up DRDO for explosives detection kit technology

Now u guys accuse of inferior weapons .

If 2025 was now, then we think of China producing F-22s and India having to settle for F-35s imported from the US and maybe also being able to produce a semi-decent stealth fighter itself by then.

why the hell do u think we would import f35 while having PAKFA , ALL U r fantasy stories make a jack sense to us to be fair enough

ALL i can say is there is a limit to be biased plz

 

[epsilon]

you are damn wrong.

when the Soviet Union had the arm race with the US, both nations allocated huge amount of resources to their defense sector and spent those resources domestically. that is when Moscow wants a new fighter/bomber/missile, some factories/research orginaizations inside Soviet Union gets the job. Most of those allocated resources got spent in its domestic market.

this clearly has some positive impact on its economic and sciencific progress.

however, how many india's best weapons are designed/built in india? here we are not talking about licensed production by assembling fighter kits. the truth is a huge chunk of its defense budget becomes some western companies profit and couldn't push for india's own tech improvement.

the case is very different for China.

in short, by having such arm race, india is in a much worse situation than USSR, they not only fact a huge tech/money gap, but also lack a positive feedback loop which can use those spending to actually improve itself.

the best example here is to compare the achievement made by Chinese/indians in the past 5 years. Let's start from Chinese side:

1. J-20
2. CJ-10
3. anti-satelliate weapon
4. mid course anti-ballistic missile test
5. ballistic missile launch early warning system
6. KJ-2000/KJ-200
7. Terminal sensitive projectile
8. Z-10
9. J-10 fitted with WS-10A engines.
10. composite material already applied in so many weapon systems.

tell me what india has? Arjun, LCA?

it is also sad to see the recent missile test success made their nation in such joy mode.

a backward missile fitted with a russian seeker, illegally brought from russia under the name of rocket research...

so dirty

this is completely incorrect reply. USA/ USSR and INDIA/China... Both are of different scenario. second thing ur evaluation is much one eyed and selfish. Both China and India are growing bot are having different perspective in terms of economy,society,religional . The world has changed a lot post the cold war era..

 

[Alchemy]

Let us take here and now where China and India are.

India(apart from Akash SAM) is unable to make any other weapons system indigenously.

China makes every major weapons system indigenously - J-10(apart from engine for now), J-11B(with WS-10A turbofan since 2010), Type-052C AESA destroyer, AWACs, Main battle tanks, SAMs, nuclear SSNs etc.

Apart from the nuclear SSNs, nearly everything else in the above list is on/virtually on a par with what the Europeans can produce. This shows a good deal of technological maturity.

We now have a base where the next level of technological development can take place.

China has tons more cash than any European country can hope to muster, and with the fact that China has much more scientists and engineers, this will allow the Chinese to catch up and surpass the Europeans in nearly all fields in 10-15 years.

We have already seen evidence in the areas of stealth aircraft(j-20) and anti-ballistic missile defence where the Europeans have already fallen behind the Chinese.

So in 10-15 years it would be reasonable to conclude that the Chinese would have surpassed all countries bar the US.

Then China can pump out state-of-the-art systems while India would have no choice but to produce/import weapons inferior to what China could field.

If 2025 was now, then we think of China producing F-22s and India having to settle for F-35s imported from the US and maybe also being able to produce a semi-decent stealth fighter itself by then.

On par ??? did the CCP say that ??? oh it must be true then !!!

Can you explain the WE part ??? who is we ?? Is BD the official spokesperson of the chinese now ?