Option's for PAF ?

[Storm Force]

J31 A PAPER PLANE which may never see service PLAAF is the PAF response as per posters in this thread.

You will have to wait until 2025

By 2025 WHEN PAF receives the first J31

IAF will have fully inducted fully battle operational data linked to awacs over 500 Su30mki Rafale & Tejas fighters.

Additional a second tier of MLU Mirage2000/5 Mig29smt/ Jaguar Darin.

36 rafales will be in service by middle of 2017

PAF will need an answer between NOW and 2020...

2025 is a decade away

 

[Basel]

J31 A PAPER PLANE which may never see service PLAAF is the PAF response as per posters in this thread.

You will have to wait until 2025

By 2025 WHEN PAF receives the first J31

IAF will have fully inducted fully battle operational data linked to awacs over 500 Su30mki Rafale & Tejas fighters.

Additional a second tier of MLU Mirage2000/5 Mig29smt/ Jaguar Darin.

36 rafales will be in service by middle of 2017

PAF will need an answer between NOW and 2020...

2025 is a decade away

Immediate answer to that is purchase of advance SAMs and block-3 of JF-17 (fully NCW capability) with tech from China's 5th gen fighter (like EODAS, AESA radar, EW suite etc) which will make sure that IAF can't achieve air dominance over Pakistan, although PAF can also go for 18 remaining new F-16s and few used ones but it will be limited stop gap measure.

 

[Storm Force]

limited stop gap measure.

Basel you hit the nail on the head

That is exactly what you did when india started to induct 270 su30mki

PAF acquired limited no of F16 both used & new and today you have 73

that is a limited response.

No matter what you tell us the THUNDER is not a SUITABLE response to SU30 MKI.

We know bewcause the PLAAF have ignored the FC1 yet induct Flankers and J10 for fun...

 

[Basel]

Basel you hit the nail on the head

yes, F-16s will be limited stop gap measure due to threat of sanctions and availability of future upgrades. That is why JF-17 with tech from Chinese 5th gen is need of time as it will be the new front line 4.5+ gen jet of PAF.

 

[madmusti]

What about this twin Engine configured enhanced version of JF-17 ?

 

[Storm Force]

Basel

In our eyes the Typhoons Rafales and Gripens are 4.5 Generation fighters.

Jf17 IS A FULL GENERATION BEHIND

Unless you completely rebuild the Thunder with features present in ALL of the above.

ie

Compsite airframes with full digital quadruplex FBW
Western level sensor fusion with FULL HMD and AESA radars
More powerful western engines giving TWR of over 0.95kt with more efficiency and less smoke and servicing issues
Massive range of new fifth generation weapons l;ike Mica or meteore BVRS and stealth attrack cruise missles.
Something like the spectra EW suite would be needed too,..


GOOD LUCK

 

[UKBengali]

Another ridiculous claim.

Simple fact: No way that a cash strapped nation like Pakistan with a Military known for making the best out a shoe string budget would have ever paid for new F16's blk52's (with the risk of sanctions on top) if they could buy 3-4 J10's A for those money.It only makes sense if the Pakistanis knew the difference in quality and their think tanks knew it.On that you can bet the farm.These are facts,yours are wild claims.


New training or not ,there's no way that your higher military echelons wouldn't have bought 3/4 J10's per 1 F16BLK 52 if the Chinese variant would even come close to the American one.

Lol.

1. J-10 cannot be exported to anyone yet as China still does not feel like the WS-10A is mature enough to go on the single engine fighter.

2. J-10A flyaway cost is around 30 million dollars -around half that of the F-16 block 52.

3. Pakistan got most of it's F-16s for free as payment for the war against the Taliban.

Have you forgotten how China beat everyone else to win the Turkish SAM competition in 2013?

Ps - In 2009 Pakistan did sign a 1.4 billion dollar deal to buy 36 J-10Bs for delivery in 2014/2015 but they then decided to better to save the money for a fifth generation fighter from China as that is not that far away. I am guessing that China and Pakistan thought in 2009 that WS-10A engine would have been ready for installation on J-10B by 2014.

 

[Storm Force]

This is a proper 4.5 generation single engine fighter AND should be your bench mark

 

[Basel]

What about this twin Engine configured enhanced version of JF-17 ?

This is not twin engine jet, its twin seat jet.

Pakistan and China had signed MOU to develop stealthy JF-17 which will have many redesigned parts (if developed).

 

[Storm Force]

Basel MOU means this is 10 years away... AND I presume they want Pakistani money to be invested.

 

[Basel]

Basel

In our eyes the Typhoons Rafales and Gripens are 4.5 Generation fighters.

Jf17 IS A FULL GENERATION BEHIND

Unless you completely rebuild the Thunder with features present in ALL of the above.

ie

Compsite airframes with full digital quadruplex FBW
Western level sensor fusion with FULL HMD and AESA radars
More powerful western engines giving TWR of over 0.95kt with more efficiency and less smoke and servicing issues
Massive range of new fifth generation weapons l;ike Mica or meteore BVRS and stealth attrack cruise missles.
Something like the spectra EW suite would be needed too,..


GOOD LUCK

Down the road JF-17 will have all 4.5 gen jet stuff, it may be the first PAF jet to have an AESA too, making it more advance then F-16s.

 

[That Guy]

It's up to PAF to decide what it wants to do with the budget it has. I wouldn't presume to know their acquisition plans, but if I had to take a guess, they may try and purchase J-10, or try and buy 30-40 Typhoons.

 

[Cry.me.a.River]

You need to see a doctor asap, you have severe problem of making up things on your own.

He is not bull$hitting.

India is in talks with USA for EMALS , which USA has cleared six months back. It would be packaged with E-2D AWACS and F-35C like any major US defence deal on critical tech (EMALS is critical tech as it multiplies capability of an Aircraft carrier several fold) .


A public announcement of that deal is expected this year or next after propulsion type and final displacement of IAC-2 is zeroed upon.


Note: While an contract between India and USA for F-35C has not been signed, it is safe to bet that USA would put condition of buying F-35C with EMALS, onto India; as it is USA's SOP to make package deals whenever it sells an exclusive technology of high quality.

 

[Basel]

Basel MOU means this is 10 years away... AND I presume they want Pakistani money to be invested.

MOU was signed around 2008, CAC is continuously testing FC-1 with new systems, materials and design too.

 

[Srinivas]

J-10A was not as good as Rafale and Eurofighter for sure.

J-10B has only recently been delivered to the Chinese air-force. There is no way it is ready to be put on the international market now and it could not be anyway till the Russian engine is replaced with a domestic one.

Let us wait till J-10B has been evaluated by air-forces before dismissing it as an inferior jet.

J-10 B is a single engine fighter, Rafale can carry more weapons load, and also bit more manoeuvrable.

Rafale can be configured for many types of missions, J-10 B cannot be ....

Rafale thumps J-10 B or what ever easily.

Compare the specs of the two fighter jets before you draw conclusions.