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Operations in Dir and Buner

I know what's with this 'morality police' crap?

Everywhere in the world, these Mullah's have to act against 'fahashi' first.

Forget the fact that destitute parents are selling their children, or that so many cannot get an education or health care or jobs ....

No, whats important for these yahoos is to paint over female images on billboards, ban music and mandate beards! :crazy:

they just twist the rules out of context to get their way like ive never heard them promote science or education or social welfare all which are sought after under Islamic law but bring up a womans right to education which is also promoted under Islam and somehow its shameless to send woman to school and the poor excuses for taliban is hard to listen to like when u ask how can u say its right to commit suicide and kill innocents and thier response is oh no they get martyred aswell so its ok:what:
 
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i am happy that our nation now is supportive of the operation, atleast as of yet. Though the media has also started crying over the civilian migrations and damage, but still things are going well, and i hope they don't stop now until the last bit of taliban is eliminated.

Second, all the members here seems to be very exited about the operation, well that's what is expected out of young bloods, but please keep in mind that these people are fighting at the stake of their life. It looks cool and dandy seeing troops covered in helmets, bullet proof jackets (anybody knows how much it wieghs??), and the other military gear, but no one knows whether he is going to see the next day's light or not.

Yes it is what they are payed for and this what they are supposed to do, but they are the ones who had the guts to leave the luxuries of life to become a warrior. It takes more than just motivation and determination to face a bullet.

Imagine yourself just for a while in that situation where you find yourself riddled with bullets from all around and you hear them passing from your right or left with the uncertainty that the next one might have your name on it! (though i am sure many of you even can't 'imagine' it correctly-how can a male imagine the pain bore by a mother during labor, can he?)

It is easy to hear that 10 soldiers embraced Shahdat, but it is difficult to lose a brother, a comrade! It is difficult to carry his body over your shoulders, it is terrible when you inform his family that he was the 'victor' among others!

Let's just pray that these operations wind up with minimum blood shed and the situation is back in control ASAP. May Allah grant them strength and no hardship can trammel their courage should, Ameen!

But still no one should dare to challenge the governmental writ!!!
We are ready to shed more blood, ours and theirs, and to do what ever it requires to make Pakistan as the Quaid's Dreamed it to be!!
 
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they just twist the rules out of context to get their way like ive never heard them promote science or education or social welfare all which are sought after under Islamic law but bring up a womans right to education which is also promoted under Islam and somehow its shameless to send woman to school and the poor excuses for taliban is hard to listen to like when u ask how can u say its right to commit suicide and kill innocents and thier response is oh no they get martyred aswell so its ok:what:

I agree - they talk about Sunnah and Shariat, conveniently forgetting all the glaring aspects of Muhammad's (PBUH) life - his wife Khadija for example, a successful businesswoman.

How on earth did she construct a successful business without interacting with 'na-mehrem' men?

Of course she had to deal with all and sundry. And these people justify flogging a girl because she was seen outside her home with an alleged 'na-mehrem'.

They have completely perverted Islam.
 
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i am happy that our nation now is supportive of the operation, atleast as of yet. Though the media has also started crying over the civilian migrations and damage, but still things are going well, and i hope they don't stop now until the last bit of taliban is eliminated.

Second, all the members here seems to be very exited about the operation, well that's what is expected out of young bloods, but please keep in mind that these people are fighting at the stake of their life. It looks cool and dandy seeing troops covered in helmets, bullet proof jackets (anybody knows how much it wieghs??), and the other military gear, but no one knows whether he is going to see the next day's light or not.

Yes it is what they are payed for and this what they are supposed to do, but they are the ones who had the guts to leave the luxuries of life to become a warrior. It takes more than just motivation and determination to face a bullet.

Imagine yourself just for a while in that situation where you find yourself riddled with bullets from all around and you hear them passing from your right or left with the uncertainty that the next one might have your name on it! (though i am sure many of you even can't 'imagine' it correctly-how can a male imagine the pain bore by a mother during labor, can he?)

It is easy to hear that 10 soldiers embraced Shahdat, but it is difficult to lose a brother, a comrade! It is difficult to carry his body over your shoulders, it is terrible when you inform his family that he was the 'victor' among others!

Let's just pray that these operations wind up with minimum blood shed and the situation is back in control ASAP. May Allah grant them strength and no hardship can trammel their courage should, Ameen!

But still no one should dare to challenge the governmental writ!!!
We are ready to shed more blood, ours and theirs, and to do what ever it requires to make Pakistan as the Quaid's Dreamed it to be!!

Trust a soldier to cut to the chase and through the 'romanticized' views of war, even against a despised enemy.

Could not agree more.

We all deeply respect and honor the sacrifices you have made for the country.

The recent reports of possibly over a million refugees in the North West are very sobering. That problem will be magnified if the operation extends to all of Swat. I really hope the GoP and the international community join hands to deal appropriately with the situation and prevent a humanitarian crises.
 
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i am happy that our nation now is supportive of the operation, atleast as of yet. Though the media has also started crying over the civilian migrations and damage, but still things are going well, and i hope they don't stop now until the last bit of taliban is eliminated.

Second, all the members here seems to be very exited about the operation, well that's what is expected out of young bloods, but please keep in mind that these people are fighting at the stake of their life. It looks cool and dandy seeing troops covered in helmets, bullet proof jackets (anybody knows how much it wieghs??), and the other military gear, but no one knows whether he is going to see the next day's light or not.

Yes it is what they are payed for and this what they are supposed to do, but they are the ones who had the guts to leave the luxuries of life to become a warrior. It takes more than just motivation and determination to face a bullet.

Imagine yourself just for a while in that situation where you find yourself riddled with bullets from all around and you hear them passing from your right or left with the uncertainty that the next one might have your name on it! (though i am sure many of you even can't 'imagine' it correctly-how can a male imagine the pain bore by a mother during labor, can he?)

It is easy to hear that 10 soldiers embraced Shahdat, but it is difficult to lose a brother, a comrade! It is difficult to carry his body over your shoulders, it is terrible when you inform his family that he was the 'victor' among others!

Let's just pray that these operations wind up with minimum blood shed and the situation is back in control ASAP. May Allah grant them strength and no hardship can trammel their courage should, Ameen!

But still no one should dare to challenge the governmental writ!!!
We are ready to shed more blood, ours and theirs, and to do what ever it requires to make Pakistan as the Quaid's Dreamed it to be!!
completely agree here and may Allah grant these shaheeds entry into paradise also being from the frontier province and my father having talked to the politicians alot of people want the action they are living in genuine fear of the taliban i have a friend from swat and he was telling me that taliban were walking around girls schools with peoples heads just to intimidate the girls its truly unimaginable and barbaric. also the media first complains that pak army and govt gave them a free hand then when action is taken suddenly there is a humanitarian crisis and taking action is portrayed as negative:crazy:
 
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I agree - they talk about Sunnah and Shariat, conveniently forgetting all the glaring aspects of Muhammad's (PBUH) life - his wife Khadija for example, a successful businesswoman.

How on earth did she construct a successful business without interacting with 'na-mehrem' men?

Of course she had to deal with all and sundry. And these people justify flogging a girl because she was seen outside her home with an alleged 'na-mehrem'.

They have completely perverted Islam.
theyre more corrupt than our normal politicians because they dont do it in the name of Islam unlike these halwa eating apes i think its up2 the people to reject them because unfortunately they also have a lot of suppourt from the people who have not been educated about Islam and so are fooled by thier lies
 
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50 militants including two HVT killed in Buner Operation
ISLAMABAD, April 29 (APP)‑ Director General ISPR Major General Athar Abbas on Wednesday said that 50 militants including two High Value Targets (HTV) have been killed in the on‑going operation in Buner area. “Qari Quresh and Maulvi Shahid are HVT and are included among 50 militants who have so far been killed in the operation that started on Tuesday,” he said while addressing a media briefing at ISPR Rawalpindi. Principal Information Officer Shabir Anwar and a senior officer from the Interior Ministry Mr Mazari were also present in the briefing.

He said one FC personnel embraced shahadat while three others sustained injuries in the operation. “We have been able to manage release of 18 personnel who were earlier kidnapped by the militants from the area,” he said.

However, he said 52 personnel are still in the captivity of the militants.

He said that during the operation two major dumps of arms and ammunition were also destroyed.

Gen. Athar said that the FC and Pakistan Army have been mandated by the government to restore the writ of the government and “we will make every effort to achieve the target.”

He said that militants who call themselves “Taliban” were given ample time by the government after implementation of their demands and exercised all political means to avoid any extreme option. “Launching of anti‑militant operation was opted as a last option to restore writ of the government as the militants in the area had hostaged a large number of peace‑loving people,” he said.

He said in line to avoid collateral damage, the troops are being dropped to surround the militants. He said this new strategy has been adopted in line to save the lives of the civilians who are being used as human shield by the militants.

Giving latest update, he said that up till now the area of Daggar has been evacuated from the clutches of militants and the District Coordination Officer has been air lifted to sit in his office. The communication link between the local police and FC troops has been restored.

He said that the troops are facing high level of resistance in Ambala area which mostly comprised over mountains and hilly terrain.

Director General ISPR Major General Athar Abbas said the areas including Sultan Wala, Nawagai and Pir Baba Ziarat are still in the control of militants.

He urged the media to avoid operating in the area and not to release any footage which may harm the cause of the operation. He said “We are operating in the area where the situation is highly volatile and any carelessness could cause collateral damage to the civilians or the forces operating in the area.”

He expressed sympathies on the incident whereby a reporter of Aljazeera TV came under cross fire and received wounds. His two other colleagues survived and are being evacuated from the area to maintain their security and safety, he added.

He said that a reporter of a newspaper was released after issuing a warning that he had revealed highly sensitive information through his news report which ultimately provided an opportunity to the militants to make hostage to 70 personnel.

Divulgence of any such report which may jeopardise or endanger the lives should be avoided at all costs, he added.

During the briefing the tapes carrying statements of two youth who fell victims to the alluring statements of the militants and were being prepared to commit suicide attacks were also run. They both were arrested from the same place but hailing from different areas.

He said that both are being investigated and further details would be available in the due course.

Answering a question, he said that the militants are getting arms, ammunition and other assistance through Afghan border. He said around 60,000 troops are deployed there but the whole length of the border mostly comprising hilly terrain cannot be sealed off completely.

To another question, he said the agreement of government with Taliban in Swat is still intact and expressed the hope that things may improve after the installation of “Darul Qaza”.

The official of Interior Ministry added that the militants have yet not surrendered as was agreed upon earlier.

When his attention was drawn towards allegations of “double game” he said that the damages caused to the Security Forces of the country speak louder themselves. Such allegations are baseless and unfounded and had this true our security forces would have not inflicted damages of such a level.

He dispelled the impression that there was some lack of coordination among different government organizations operating in the area, he said all the departments and organizations are working in full coordination to carry out anti‑militant operation.

On the subject of using FM Radio by Fazal Ullah in the area, he said that the transmission of higher frequency station has been jammed while efforts are in hand to jam the transmission of low frequency channel.

He said the government is in full control of the situation.
 
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i h8 the political parties who suppourt Shariah all over pakistan not the proper but the taliban version of it. when the maulanas came to power in peshawar they bought themselves pajeros and all they did was paint womans faces grey on the billboards it was so embarrasing how that was where their priorities were. Anyway i dont no why there has been a sudden change in moods towards the taliban they gave them a free hand b4 this but hey im not complaining :cheers:

very right...
if GoP decide to ban cable channels, these mullah will be amongst first few ppl to come out on streets...

glad they have started raisin their voices against these talibans. better late than never
 
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On the subject of using FM Radio by Fazal Ullah in the area, he said that the transmission of higher frequency station has been jammed while efforts are in hand to jam the transmission of low frequency channel.

finally.......
 
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very right...
if GoP decide to ban cable channels, these mullah will be amongst first few ppl to come out on streets...

glad they have started raisin their voices against these talibans. better late than never

funny u mention that because when the maulvis won the elections they took star plus of the air their reason being that the shows on it were teaching women methods of getting back at each other just ridicoulous stuff anyway i agree lets get rid of the taliban physically and this ideology:pakistan:
 
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Taliban kidnap over 50 Pakistani security forces: PA​


29/04/2009

By MUNIR AHMAD, Associated Press Writer

ISLAMABAD – Pakistani airstrikes killed dozens of Taliban fighters in a fierce struggle to drive them from a district near the capital, while the militants took over police stations and kidnapped more than 50 security forces, the army said.

One member of the security forces also died in the fighting, the top military spokesman said.

Pakistan is acting under intense U.S. pressure to take a tougher line against Islamist militants expanding from strongholds along the Afghan border, where al-Qaida leaders including Osama bin Laden may also be hiding.

In recent days, government forces have begun trying to force the Taliban back into the Swat Valley, from where they had pushed out in the direction of an increasingly nervy Islamabad under the cover of a controversial peace process.

Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said helicopters inserted commandos into the main town in Buner, a once-peaceful farming region in the northwest, on Wednesday morning just as ground troops fought their way in from three directions.

Militants were putting up stiff resistance and detonated three roadside bombs near the Ambela Pass, a key gateway to the mountainous region. Three more troops were injured, he said.

After warplanes carried out airstrikes late Tuesday, attack helicopters engaged "miscreants" and killed more than 50, Abbas said at a news conference in Rawalpindi, a garrison city south of Islamabad.

Rather than fleeing, militants seized three police stations in the north of Buner on Tuesday and kidnapped 70 police and paramilitary troops, he said. Eighteen of the troops were "recovered" on Wednesday, he said giving few other details.

Security forces prevented some reporters from entering the area and telephone services were interrupted, making it hard to verify the army's account of the fighting.

The Taliban advance into Buner brought them to within 60 miles (100 kilometers) of the capital, Islamabad, raising concern about the stability of the nuclear-armed country. The army also says troops have killed scores of militants in recent fighting in Lower Dir, another area neighboring Swat.

Both lie within Malakand, the region covered by the government's much-criticized peace deal. Officials agreed to impose Islamic law in return for peace in a region devastated by two years of bloody fighting.

Pakistani officials said the Islamic law concession robbed the militants of any justification for retaining their arms. They insist they will use force against militants who defy the government.

But officials in Washington, which is propping up Pakistan's army and government with billions of dollars and worrying about the rising insurgency in neighboring Afghanistan, have slammed the peace process as a surrender and welcomed the resumption of military action.

The Pakistani offensives are "exactly the appropriate response" to the Taliban advance, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Tuesday.

"We are hopeful and encouraging of the Pakistani military that they are able to sustain these operations against the militants and to stem this encroachment on the more populated areas of Pakistan."

The Obama administration has an opportunity to reiterate that demand when Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari joins his Afghan counterpart in Washington for talks next week.

Reflecting alarm in Western capitals at the advance of extremists into Pakistan, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown told lawmakers Wednesday that Britain would boost aid spending to support efforts aimed at rooting out terrorists.

"The greatest international priority is the border areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan," Brown told the country's House of Commons, calling the frontier a "crucible of terrorism."

Government officials said Britain would spend around 665 million pounds ($980 million) on projects to bolster governance and boost education and health in Pakistan over the next four years. Around half would be spent in the country's Northwest Frontier Province and tribal belt.

Pakistan has waged several offensives in the border region since turning against its former Taliban allies and allying with the United States following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

But the operations resulted in the deaths of hundreds of civilians and the flight of hundreds of thousands of others, and were often halted by short-lived peace deals from which militants emerged stronger than before.

Amnesty International estimated Wednesday that at least 33,000 civilians have fled their homes in Lower Dir alone.

Witnesses told of bodies left lying in the fields because residents were too scared to move them, the rights groups said. At least five civilians died, it said.

Hundreds of thousands of displaced people have yet to return to Swat or to Bajur, a tribal region on the Afghan border where the Pakistani military claimed victory over militants earlier this year. Many are living in makeshift camps and growing increasingly angry at their treatment by the authorities.

"Pakistan is now facing a serious displacement crisis," said Sam Zarifi, Amnesty International's Asia-Pacific director. "While the politicians in Islamabad and Washington talk about geopolitics, people in these quiet villages have their lives shattered."

Abbas said the troops faced an estimated 450-500 militants in Buner and forecast Wednesday that the operation to drive them out would take about a week.

He has dismissed fears that the capital Islamabad, separated from Buner by the Indus River and the Margalla Hills, was under any threat of a militant takeover as alarmist, expressing a confidence in Pakistan's huge army that many Western observers do not share.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan
 
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...expressing a confidence in Pakistan's huge army that many Western observers do not share.
It is difficult to have confidence in an army when it goes on the offensive and the result is an enemy advance.
 
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@ rokhanyousafzai
i suppose u were rit about the SSGs

Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said helicopters inserted commandos into the main town in Buner, a once-peaceful farming region in the northwest, on Wednesday morning just as ground troops fought their way in from three directions.
 
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