You've an interesting view of bringing peace ………
My view is certainly interesting but your view remains deliberately distorted and, at best, utterly biased.
It is quite obvious that when you are face with an intellectual debate you can certainly press few buttons on your computer and you can even manage to google few things too….. A great feat …I must congratulate you for that. But that’s where, very unfortunately, the bravado ends.
Have you ever heard of something called
“Timeline“ or “
Perspective” … by reading your post it seems that these words does not exist in your dictionary. But quite unfortunately these two are the basic building blocks to understanding and furthering one‘s knowledge.
Anyway without further ado I shall get on with the answer.
So lets put your first reference in perspective.
Taliban killed few hundred Hazaras.
I regret the loss of life, be it a Hazara be it a Pashtun be it a Jew be it a Palestinian be it a Talib be it a NATO or US soldier.
But since you have brought up the Hazara’s massacre and proved that you can manage to search through google and yet have miserably failed to see it in perspective.
You have been very keen on lecturing us all that we should look at the drone attacks in perspective of 9/11 attacks and cross border terrorism in Afghanistan from Pakistan.
Why is it that you have totally missed on what Hazaras and Gen Pahlawan, Malik did to
THREE THOUSEND Taliban that were betrayed and subsequently captured in Mazar-I-Sharif? And all that after having a firm operational agreement with Taliban for the help to oust Dostum from Mazar-I-Sharif in May 1997...
What did they do to THREE THOUSEND Taliban prisoners in Mazar-I-Sharif, Shiberghan and Maimana in May-June 1997?
Since you have, quite deliberately, missed on the point I will tell you that this is
the single largest known massacre of prisoners by any of the parties in the Afghan conflict. This was the worst ever massacre in the history of Afghanistan and it took them weeks to systematically kill three thousand Taliban.
Read the following:
““One former Taliban driver who was taken into custody by forces allied with Malik gave this account:
"I am from Qandahar province [name of village withheld]. When we got to Shiberghan we established a base there, then moved into Mazar-i Sharif once fighting began between Malik and the Taliban. As the fighting esalated, I went with two of the mullahs to leave Mazar. We were moving toward the airport when we were attacked. They were killed. I was captured. Many senior Taliban were killed; others surrendered. Commander Zahir, who was with Malik, took us to a prison in Mazar. We were very crowded, we couldn’t move. There was little food. Sometimes we caught birds and ate them. Sometimes they beat us. They beat me on the genitals so severely, that I am impotent now. Some died from the beatings. The ICRC came and gave food sometimes. One night, men in military suits came and shouted at us, “who is from Qandahar?” They separated us. They said there was going to be a prisoner exchange. They took our pictures. They tied our hands and put us in a big container. The container I was in was full. We were kept in the container all day, until the next night. Some of the men inside died. They drove out of Mazar. Then the truck got stuck. They opened the door. We were in the desert. They took us out in groups of 30 at a time every ten minutes. They tied the prisoners together and shot them. We were still in the truck and we could see it through small holes in the container. When they shot them they revved the engine loudly. I was in the last group. I prayed to God. We resisted when they came for us but they pushed us outside. We stood in 3 lines, on in front of the other. When they started shooting I just fell down and others fell on top of me. Then I heard someone say let’s shoot each of them in the head. But I was under the others so they did not shoot me. Then they turned the car lights away to get the truck unstuck. When they were working on the truck I asked if anyone else was alive. There were three of us, but one was injured and we could not help him. When Malik’s men left two of us went to Tashkurghan and then to Kunduz. Mullah Dadaullah and Mullah Baradar [two senior commanders who were responsible for a number of massacres in 1998-2001, see below) were in Kunduz. Then we were sent to Qandahar.””
So if I go by your war mongering logics that you give us all the time that it is OK for USA to kill others as some of its citizens were killed in a terrorist attack…. so you should ravel in joy to see what Taliban did to Hazaras and Shumalis in response to above mentioned atrocities.
But you don’t … and the reason is that you are dishonest at worst and you are biased at best.
Here is the link to the rest of the document.
http://afghanistanjusticeproject.org/warcrimesandcrimesagainsthumanity19782001.pdf
Will you mind telling me that what did Hazara do to Taliban in Bamiyan after luring them into the valleys on a back of a promise of a safe passage to Kabul?
Why is it that each and every party hates Hazaras? has it nothing to do with Hazar’s utter barbaric behaviour with population under their control including their own Hazars that are from opposing factions?
Why is it that Amir Abdurahman more then 100 years ago virtually enslaved the whole Hazara population?
Big wide open mouth wouldn’t get anyone anywhere but knowing the Perspective will.
Nothing can be more testament to your dishonesty then how you replied to Taliban’s eradication of poppy cultivation in Afghanistan, now here the perspective has nothing to do with the fact that they stopped the poppy cultivation, if anything, it only goes to show that the practice of poppy cultivation was wide spread and Taliban were certainly making money from it and yet they decided to forgo the revenue and imposed the ban on poppy cultivation.
There was almost no poppy production in Afghanistan around October 2001 and in 2002 and onwards there has been bumper production of poppy…..
What happened between October 2001 and 2002? And is that thing that happened between October 2001 and 2002 not the reason from ZERO to the record poppy production?
Your reply is
Why Taliban not ban it earlier then 2001.…..
That is not what i asked … and even if they had banned it right away US invasion would still have resulted in current levels of production.
Then you say….
What about the poor farmers……
I again say I haven’t asked about that either…
But of course you will say whatever it takes to dodge the fact that if USA had not attacked Afghanistan today there would have been no heroin in this world. Irony is that the so called coalition used drugs as one of a primes to invasion of Afghanistan…….. Bravo
Now finally coming to Bin laden
The taliban's involvement reaches far beyond 9/11. They'd offered safe haven to a man wanted for attacks on American facilities in Yemen, Dar-es-salaam and Nairobi well before 9/11 …
So your point is that CIA and FBI knew Al-Qaeda was involved …. They asked Taliban to hand him over… Taliban delayed the handover…. War Mongers jumped to the war in less then 8 weeks after 9/11.…
If such is the case then will you be kind enough to tell that why did CIA not do anything when Bin Laden was in Dubai having dialysis just months before 9/11?
Why CIA agents were paying him visits yet they did not arest him?
I know what you will shout while burying your head in sand
“Urban Myths…. Urban Myths….. Urban Myths”
Let me give you source of the Urban Myth
La Figaro reports and I quote
“
Dubai, … was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July. A partner of the administration of the American Hospital in Dubai claims that public enemy number one stayed at this hospital between the 4th and 14th of July.
Having taken off from the Quetta airport in Pakistan, bin Laden was transferred to the hospital upon his arrival at Dubai airport. He was accompanied by his personal physician and faithful lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahari, four bodyguards, as well as a male Algerian nurse, and admitted to the American Hospital, a glass and marble building situated between the Al-Garhoud and Al-Maktoum bridges.
Each floor of the hospital has two "VIP" suites and fifteen rooms. The Saudi billionnaire was admitted to the well-respected urology department run by Teerry Callaway, gallstone and infertility specialist. Dr Callaway declined to respond to our questions despite several phone calls……
……..While he was hospitalised, bin Laden received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay, the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to go to bin Laden's hospital room.
A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited bin Laden. Authorised sources say that on July 15th, the day after bin Laden returned to Quetta, the CIA agent was called back to headquarters….
….In the pursuit of its investigations, the FBI discovered "financing agreements" that the CIA had been developing with its "arab friends" for years. The Dubai meeting is then within the logic of "a certain American policy".
Here is the link to the above “Urban Myth”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
If this Urban Myth is not pleasing enough then let me show you another example of the urban Myths, this one comes straight out of your White House,
You said that Bin Ladin’s guilt was all known to CIA and FBI
Your ex-president claims otherwise.
Specially watch @50 seconds
Clinton says “CIA and FBI could not certify that Al Qaeda was responsible…..”
Is that Urban Myth is not entertaining enough? read the following,
In his book, Dereliction of Duty, Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson, chief military aide to President Clinton writes and I quote,
"
The White House Situation Room was buzzing. It was fall 1998 and the National Security Council (NSC) and the 'intelligence community' were tracking the wehereabout of Osama bin Laden, the shadowy mastermind of terrorist attacks on American targets overseas. 'They successfully triangulated his location,' yelled a 'Sit Room' watch stand. 'We've got him.' Beneath the West Wing of the White House, behind a vaulted steel door, the Sit Room staff sprang into action. The watch officer notified National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, 'Sir, we've located bin Laden. We have a two-hour window to strike'. Characteristic of the Clinton administration, the weapons of choice would be Tomahawk missiles. After several attempts to first locate President Clinton to receive permission to get Osama bin Laden, President Clinton was nowhere to be found. When the President finally accepted Berger's call, there was discussion, there were pauses -- and no decision. 'We studied the issue until it was too late -- the window of opportunity closed'."
USA had the chances they missed it one after the other…… and yet they wanted Taliban to comply without a let and hinder …… if you think someone needs to be bombed then it should be CIA and FBI not the poor population of Afghanistan or poor civilians of Pakistani tribal area.
So the USA decided to attack Afghanistan cause Taliban had delayed in compliance but then
what happened after they started the war?
The US now said it was "in no hurry" to catch bin Laden.
"
The Pentagon is in no hurry to try to catch or kill Osama bin Laden as it orchestrates a step-by-step bombing campaign over Afghanistan." ("Pentagon Will Not Rush Manhunt," Washington Times, October 9, 2001.)
But just a few weeks before the
US DEMANDED that the Taliban hand bin Laden over or the US would take military action . . . . The refusal of the Taliban to hand bin Laden over without evidence or judicial procedure was the causa belli of the military strikes…………….
Recall that the US is accusing bin Laden of masterminding the slaughter of approximately 3000 Americans, and has said that he is the brains and the money behind the Taliban. If those statements are true, capturing him should be the first priority. Indeed, by October 11, the FBI warns US that over the next several days, they should be aware of new terrorist attacks, which would of course be directed by the pesky Bin Laden.
The Senate and the House of Representatives pass a draconian bill, allowing suspension of
YOUR rights, but, remember: "The Pentagon is in no hurry to try to catch or kill Osama bin Laden . . . "
"YOUR" is in bold, italic, underlined and in caps......
so read it
On October 14, CNN.com reported President Bush again refused an offer by the Taliban to surrender bin Laden to a third country if the US would produce evidence of his complicity in Operation 911. ("Afghanistan pounded in second week of air strikes.")
No, capturing or otherwise placing Osama bin-Laden in custody would spoil the fun. It's better to have
bin Fake-it on the loose, mouthing the words written by the NWO psyops team.
And at the end they came up with this video, the smoking gun……
In fact it was nothing more then more smoke in the smoke screen that has been erected for the gullible, far detached from ground reality and media centric western population.
Try to come up with better sources please…don’t insults my intelligence by
Referring to bogus videos….
If you want me to give you the source I suggest that u just type Bin Ladin’s bogus video ….
This video and many more that were released after 2001 were discredited and dubbed as fake by USA’s own experts….
Finally bringing you to you non ending RANT about
40+ countries coalition …
UN resolution….
Afghanistan inviting USA… etc
USA and UK could do the job so why get 40+ countries into the war ????
It is just to give some legitimacy to your unholy and illegal war. If you look at the numbers committed by many countries then you will see that almost 90% of countries has not send a fighting force to Afghanistan. So if this is the case then what are they doing there…..?
They are just there to give weight and legitimacy to USA illegal endeavours.. So USA is not seen involved in wars alone all over the world…..
Urban Myth …..?
Listen to what John Carry has to say about your “
GRAND COALITION“…..
So if you scratch under this shining veneer of you argument you will find…..
Nothing.. Yes Nothing .. Cause it is a hollow argument with no legs to stand on.
But what do u care you can carry on ranting it like a broken record and the more lie you tell the more real it might sound to some moron.
But since I see many members here has rebuked you for treating them as morons so you might as well lay off this RANT….
Now about UN resolution …..
I suggest that just stop lying to us through your teeth.
There was no UN resolution that was passed before USA attacked Afghanistan that allowed the military use before they attacked the Afghanistan.
Reaffirming its previous resolutions on Afghanistan, in particular resolutions 1267 (1999) of 15 October 1999, 1333 (2000) of 19 December 2000 and 1363 (2001) of 30 July 2001, Supporting international efforts to root out terrorism, in keeping with the Charter of the United Nations, and reaffirming also its resolutions 1368 (2001) of 12 September 2001 and 1373 (2001) of 28 September 2001. None of above mentioned resolution agreed upon the use of military intervention.
It was only on
20 December, the Security Council, by
resolution 1386 (2001), authorized the establishment of an
International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to help the Authority maintain security in Kabul and its surrounding areas.
But by then USA and UK had already attacked Afghanistan.
Again don’t take us for fools… cause we are not.
Now your claim that USA was invited into Afghanistan….
May I ask you who invited you to Afghanistan…?
You don’t accept Taliban as legitimate repetitive government of Afg so it leaves out Rabani … right?
So if USA invaded Afghanistan on the back on Rabbani’s invitation then why on 22 December, in Kabul, the “internationally recognized administration” of Rabbani handed power to the new Interim Afghan Administration, established in Bonn and headed by Chairman Hamid Karzai.
Why would USA show such an immediate lack of trust in someone on whose invitation they have just invaded a country AGAINST THE WILL OF WHOLE WORLD.???????????
Its about time you shut your “bullsh!t”
you'd never reply like this to us 'peeps'
Forever!
