Operation Peace Spring in Northern Syria : The Turkish initiative to create safe zone

[dBSPL]

@Indos

Massacres of 1993

147. January 12, 1993 Kolgezer hamlet massacre

148. January 13, 1993 Elbeğendi village massacre

149. January 16, 1993 Kuruçay hamlet massacre

150. 23 January 1993 Köşk teahouse massacre

151. 6 February 1993 massacre of the village of Ortaca

152. February 27, 1993 massacre of the Masjid neighborhood

153. March 2, 1993 massacre of the village of Elmabahce

154. 6 March 1993 The massacre of the village of Evci

155. March 7, 1993 The massacre of the Kulaçlı hamlet

156. March 16, 1993 The massacre in the village of Karataş

157. The Bingöl massacre (24 May 1993)

158. The massacre of the Bahçebaşı Village on 2 June 1993

159. 6 June 1993 massacre of the village of Bozdoğan

160. 9 June 1993 The massacre of the Gölet village

161. The massacre of the Yaylacık village on 13 June 1993

162. 14 June 1993 Gözlüce village massacre

163. The massacre of the Koyunlu village on 25 June 1993

164. The massacre of the hamzabey hamlet on June 30, 1993

165. The massacre of the Muti Creek on June 30, 1993

166. July 3, 1993 The Çelik hamlet massacre

167. Massacre of the Başbağlar (5 July 1993)

168. July 10, 1993 The massacre in the village of Beklemez

169. July 12, 1993 The massacre of the village of Cevizlik

170. The massacre of the Sundus (18 July 1993)

171. July 24, 1993 The massacre of the village of Karakoyun

172. July 30, 1993 the massacre of the village of Dolutekne

173. August 1, 1993 the massacre in the village of Aşağıçarıkçı

174. August 3, 1993 Massacre of Hafi locality

175. The massacre of the Kavakbaşı sub-district on 4 August 1993

176. August 4, 1993 massacre of the village of Aslanbeyli

177. The massacre of the village of Asmakaya on 4 August 1993

178. 6 August 1993 Tilver village massacre

179. 7 August 1993 massacre of the village of Akpinar

180. August 8, 1993 massacre of the Uzunyazı village

180. 8 August 1993 Uzunyazı village massacre

181. August 8, 1993 Seslice village massacre

182. August 10, 1993 SOGAN hamlet massacre

183. August 13, 1993 The massacre of Eşkin hamlet

184. 15 August 1993 Massacre in the village of Güneybaşı

185. August 16, 1993 massacre of the Yekekümbet hamlet

186. On 23 August 1993 the massacre of the village of Akcayir

187. August 26, 1993 The massacre of the Uzunyazı

188. 26 August 1993 The massacre of the village of Neboglu

189. August 27, 1993 The massacre of the Yeşilsır neighborhood

190. 29 August 1993 Yoncalıbayır village massacre

191. September 5, 1993 Sahintepesi massacre

192. September 13, 1993 Zi4yaret locality massacre

193. 18 September 1993 Massacre in the Cankurtaran area

194. September 18, 1993 "Egil" massacre of bureaucrats

195. September 25, 1993 Ismailboğazı location massacre

196. September 29, 1993 Serikhan hamlet massacre

197. 29 September 1993 Birecik district teacher massacre

198. September 30, 1993 Yüksekova massacre

199. October 3, 1993 Altinova village massacre

200. The 4 October 1993 Kayapınar massacre

201. 4 October 1993 The massacre of the Bokazönü

202. The massacre of the poplar town of October 4, 1993

203. October 4, 1993 the massacre in the village of Daltepe

204. October 4, 1993 the massacre of the village of Kalkancık

205. October 4, 1993 Bebek massacre

206. The 4 October 1993 silvan massacres

207. On 7 October 1993 the massacre of the Mirgan Plateau

208. October 7, 1993 the massacre of the town of Altınova

209. 7 October 1993 Pirincl teacher massacre

210. October 10, 1993 the Doğanköy massacre

211. October 12, 1993 massacre in the mencinek area

212. The massacre of the Derince hamlet on 21 October 1993

213. October 22, 1993 teacher massacre in the village of Dadaş

214. 23 October 1993 massacre of the village of Zengkök

215. 23 October 1993 Massacre in the village of Gunluk

216. 24 October 1993 the massacre of the village of Koçak

217. 24 October 1993 Sarıbahçe village massacre

218. 24 October 1993 Yaylabaşı village massacre

219. 25 October 1993 The massacre of the KARASU bridge

220. 25 October 1993 The massacre of Yavili

221. 25 October 1993 massacre of the Sarıcan neighborhood

222. The massacre of the Belencik village on 28 October 1993

223. October 30, 1993 Massacre of the village of Ciceki

224. November 6, 1993 Massacre of the Immigrant Houses

225. November 7, 1993 massacre of the boarding school in Cizre

226. November 8, 1993 Inceler village massacre

227. November 22, 1993 yedisu massacre

228. November 27, 1993 Dilu Hill massacre

229. December 12, 1993 agaçkonak massacre

230. The massacre of the cudi neighborhood on 16 December 1993

 

[Zulfiqar]

It is in the nature of fellow Pakistani to cross each other in different forums, no wonder why our country is in such a mess. At the least, you could stay silent.

What pro-US views I have in regards to policies concerning Pakistan? Only War On Terror come to mind, and even its case, I felt uncomfortable about drone strikes in Pakistan.

I am just getting back at some of the Turkish members here because of their 'attitude'. I want them to see that Turkish moves in Syria are not necessarily favorably received and perceived from within Syria and outside Syria.

Fellow pakistani members and me can quote countless pro american posts of yours mate. However, that will derail the thread so I just gave him a suggestion to move along as it is not worth it.

When some of the entities have vested interests then obviously they will portray their opponents in negative light.

One has to see the BS vitriol churned out by Western media against Pakistan in support of their PTM lackeys when we all Pakistanis especially us pushtuns know that the situation is quite different on the ground.

Similarly the Syrian and the western media are just pushing their narrative.

The reality on the ground is different. One has to ask those living in Turkish border areas and millions of refugees that are in turkey to gauge the reality.

 

[dBSPL]

@Indos

1994 massacres

231. 1 January 1994 The massacre of the Diyarbakır-Elazığ Highway

232. 1 January 1994 massacre of the village of Dikbogaz

233. January 1, 1994 hamzalı village massacre

234-239. 21 January 1994 Ormancık and Akyürek massacres

240. The massacre of the second derik hamlet on 24 January 1994

241. February 12, 1994 the massacre of military students in Tuzla

242. 12 February 1994 The massacre of the Kovuk village

243. February 16, 1994 TOPRAKL massacre

244. The 19 February 1994 bilgeköy massacre

245. The slaughter of the hamlet on 23 February 1994

246. February 23, 1994 the second massacre of the uludere

247. The 24 February 1994 Dağkonak massacre

248. February 24, 1994 the massacre of the village of Köprücek

249. The sason massacre of 25 February 1994

250. March 3, 1994 Cizre district center massacre

251. March 9, 1994 Kirish hamlet massacre

252. March 10, 1994 the massacre of the village of Haltaş

253. March 24, 1994 Çaldere village massacre

254. The massacre of Üçok March 30, 1994

255. April 8, 1994 The massacre of the Saraycık hamlet

256. April 9, 1994 Pamukçayı massacre of the locality

257. April 14, 1994 The massacre of Sandıklı

258. The massacre of the Menment Creek on April 20, 1994

259. April 20, 1994 The massacre of Çobanbaşı locality

260. April 26, 1994 The massacre of the Güvikibesti herds

261. May 8, 1994 erzurum-erzincan highway massacre

262. May 15, 1994 The massacre of the literary village of Edebük

263. May 15, 1994 The massacre of the village of Alacabuk

264. May 17, 1994 Budakli village massacre

265. The massacre of the Budak hamlet on 18 May 1994

266. May 23, 1994 Ardıçalı village massacre

267. May 29, 1994 The massacre of the village of Karamese

268. 3 June 1994 Massacre of the village of Görece

269. The massacre of the village of Yeniköprü on 19 June 1994

270. The massacre of the village of Gedikaşar on 26 June 1994

271. July 6, 1994 The massacre of the Mezharlık neighborhood

272. The massacre of the village of Uğrak on 16 July 1994

273. August 3, 1994 Baluşağı Neighborhood Massacre

274. 10 August 1994 Massacre of the village of Yukarınarlıca

275. August 13, 1994 Massacre in the Renter area

276. August 22, 1994 Massacre of Çayüstü hamlet

277. August 28, 1994 Massacre of the Geznik Strait

278. 31 August 1994 The massacre of the village of Kalemte

279. September 7, 1994 Köprülü village massacre

280. September 9, 1994 ulukale village massacre

281. September 10, 1994 massacre of the Cemikari Bridge

282. September 11, 1994 Darıkent 6 massacres of teachers

283. 11 September 1994 Selimiye village massacre

284. September 12, 1994 Massacre of the Dere neighborhood

285. September 13, 1994 the massacre of the Halkalı neighborhood

286. September 14, 1994 Balveren village massacre

287. September 17, 1994 The massacre of the village of Direkli

288. September 24, 1994 young-republic street massacre

289. September 29, 1994 Eastern Beyazit / Kazan massacre

290. 4 October 1994 The massacre of the village of Kömürcü

291. October 5, 1994 Nevran hamlet massacre

292. 10 October 1994 The massacre of the village of Hüseyinağa

293. October 18, 1994 Yücebağ village massacre

294. October 22, 1994 The massacre of the village of Tokacli

295. The massacre of the Kırımlı village on 30 October 1994

296. October 31, 1994 Massacre of the Dara-2 Bridge

297. November 6, 1994 Pinardere village teacher massacre

298. November 17, 1994 Çöl village massacre

299. 19 December 1994 Ormanardı village massacre

Massacres of 1995

300. January 1, 1995 hamzalı village massacre

301. The massacre of the village of Narlıca on 12 January 1995

302. January 20, 1995 Tohtak massacre of the plateau

303. February 23, 1995 the massacre of the village of Kocakuyu

304. March 27, 1995 Massacre in the village of Görümlü

305. April 8, 1995 The massacre of Ahmedçedüzü

306. 5 April 1995 7 Shepherds and 3 Red Crescent officers massacre

307. April 8, 1995 batman-siirt highway massacre

308. The April 17 th 1995 Harmancık Massacre

309. The massacre of the village of Yarbuz on April 18, 1995

310. 4 May 1995 Küçükçekmece massacre

311. May 16, 1995 the massacre of the village of Kayabalı

312. 16 May 1995 Massacre in the village of Dağcı

313. May 22, 1995 Massacre of the Islimağara Plateau

314. May 25, 1995 Massacre of the Hürriyet Primary School

315. The June 1, 1995 Kahveci-1 massacre

316. 11 June 1995 massacre of the village of Yukarıagaçeli

317. The massacre of the well village on 24 June 1995

318. June 25, 1995 The massacre of the Olukbasi Plateau

319. July 17, 1995 The massacre in the village of Evciler

320. July 23, 1995 Atabinen hamlet massacre

321. The massacre of the village of Gazeluşağı on 5 August 1995

322. 20 August 1995 The massacre of Köybaşı

323. 5 September 1995 Seldiren, - quarry - massacre

324. September 10, 1995 bulakbasi village massacre

325. September 12, 1995 Gökçebulak hamlet massacre

326. 23 September 1995 Massacre in the Kanlıarmut area

327. December 9, 1995 Ortaca village massacre

Massacres of 1997

344. March 23, 1997 Yoncadüzü village massacre

345. May 26, 1997 Hayden hamlet massacre

346. May 26, 1997 Massacre of the Kurtuluş flour factory

347. June 1, 1997 Sarıevler locality massacre

348. The massacre of the pampinar on 3 June 1997

349. The massacre of the Çaltepe village on 18 June 1997

350. July 7, 1997 İçpınar village massacre

351. 11 August 1997 Massacre in the village of Sırmalı

352. The massacre of the Malahüseyin hamlet on 6 October 1997

353. November 8, 1997 the Doğanköy massacre

354. December 15, 1997 the dargecit massacre

Massacres of 1998

355. May 31, 1998 Altınsu and the Altınkapı massacre

356. 3 June 1998 Massacre in the Arılar neighborhood

357. Explosion in the Mısır Çarşısı/Grand Spice Bazaar on July 9, 1998

358. July 12, 1998 the Hamuchimen massacre

359. July 13, 1998 Massacre of the Yokuşun başı hamlet

360. October 1998 massacre of the Yayladere

361. November 26, 1998 the massacre of Kırıkkale-Samsun

1999 massacres

362. January 27, 1999 Kuzucu town massacre

363. The 25 February 1999 massacre of the Kupar neighborhood

364. The massacre of Maviçarşı (13 March 1999)

365. 5 April 1999 Massacre in the village of Tepe

366. July 1, 1999 massacre of the Yenimahalle district

367. July 9, 1999 The massacre of the Kışlak hamlet

368. The 14th of July 1999 massacre of the Aydogan

369. 2 August 1999 Massacre of the village of Çiğdemli

-In 1999, the leader of the organization, sob Abdullah Öcalan was arrested and imprisoned.This part is important and I will mention later. -

Massacres of 2000

370. The massacre of the Kavaklı village on 19 October 2000

Massacres of 2001

371. June 12, 2001 The massacre of the Yazli village

Massacres of 2003

372. The massacre of the Pul hamlet on 10 July 2003

Massacres of 2004

373. July 2, 2001 The Blue Plaza Massacre

Massacres of 2005

374. July 2, 2005 train massacre

375. The explosion on 16 July 2005 in Kusadasi

2006 massacres

376. April 2, 2006 pkk's burning of the bus in Bagcilar

377. May 13, 2006 Atatürk neighborhood massacre

378. August 28, 2006 the explosion in Antalya

379. September 12, 2006 bomb attacks in the Diyarbakır

2007 massacres

380. May 22, 2007 the explosion in the Ulus district

381. May 31, 2007 Çiçekdere massacre

382. September 29, 2007 Sirnak minibus attack.

Massacres of 2008

383. The explosion in Diyarbakir on 3 January 2008

384. May 9, 2008 Yuvalıçay neighborhood massacre

385. The massacre of the plateau of the Bestereş on 27 July 2008

386. July 27, 2008 the day that saw the explosion

Since mid-2009, the Pkk's action practice has been developing through the KCK (city structuring) and the massive bomb attacks branch TAK. After the US to increase its presence in the region and actively support, get the help that they used weapons in numerous actions in Turkey. Hundreds of people lost their lives especially in 2013 and in 2015 as a result of the attempts.

They tried to occupy a part of Turkey, but took a heavy defeat.

In the bombings, 2015-2016 were the years when the PKK attacked with all its power.

More than 500 people lost their lives during the 18-month bomb attacks. The most important terrorist attacks were:

What pain did you share with us? and now you are asking account without shame?

 

[Oublious]

If you are under the impression that Turkish incursions in Syria enjoy popular support in Syria then you are utterly clueless, or Turkish exclusive coverage of events is in question.

SANA = Syrian official coverage of developments across Syria, and its coverage does not favor Turkish moves at all.

Syrians, irrespective of their ethnicity, are not not happy with recent developments. SANA will show you protests that Turkish media will not.

Kurd are protesting even in Europe.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...st-turkish-incursion-into-syria-idUSKBN1WR0JY

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-thousands-protest-turkish-operation-in-syria/a-50809300

If want to take a look at independent coverage of events, then this source is best: https://syria.liveuamap.com/


No.

If you are under the impression that Syrian news agency give you the right picture and this is the popular support to assad regime then you are utterly cleules. Base your argument to a 1 only 1 news agency with not more then 200 people. Kurds can protests, did you ask the 10 million people who fled north side of Syria?

 

[Zulfiqar]

My posts in this thread contain references from different sources, and not just American.

In case you do not know, Trump administration gave the green light to Erdogan administration to commence Operation Peace Spring in order to create a buffer zone in Syria and abandoned the SDF-YPG to its fate (betrayal). Therefore, American government is onboard with this chapter of madness. As an independent observer, I do not have to toe the line of either administration.

Yet as an independent observer do you not see the betrayal of some Turkish allies when they supported the PKK in the first place.


It is their AfPak policy all over again. Leaving their ally high and dry in order to cover their own interests.

America was strong armed into green lightning it. However, the media is still pushing the counter narrative and making the SDF/YPG e.t.c as some heroes when they are not.

 

[LeGenD]

Fellow pakistani members and me can quote countless pro american posts of yours mate. However, that will derail the thread so I just gave him a suggestion to move along as it is not worth it.

When some of the entities have vested interests then obviously they will portray their opponents in negative light.

One has to see the BS vitriol churned out by Western media against Pakistan in support of their PTM lackeys when we all Pakistanis especially us pushtuns know that the situation is quite different on the ground.

Similarly the Syrian and the western media are just pushing their narrative.

The reality on the ground is different. One has to ask those living in Turkish border areas and millions of refugees that are in turkey to gauge the reality.

My views are mostly context-based in regards to any theme.

As a reminder, Erdogan administration (Turkey) had tacit approval of Trump administration (USA) to commence Operation Peace Spring in order to create a buffer zone between Turkey and Syria, and Trump administration abandoned the SDF-YPG regime to its fate in connection (betrayal). Therefore, American government is onboard with the ongoing chapter of madness in Syria. However, as an independent observer, I do not have to toe the line of either administration.

Go through my posts in this thread; do you see me cheering for Americans here?

I am an independent observer in all matters, and my views might not sit well with one camp or another depending upon what stance I am adopting. I just speak my mind.

I might give the vibe of being pro-American in certain discussions (not a crime by the way), but I am not pro-American in general (I am not indebted to US in any way or form). However, I do not feel the need to be anti-American only to be in the good books of some members here. This isn't constructive posture.

WE are all users of American platforms and technologies. This very forum (PDF) is hosted on an American server actually. I admire US for making our lives better but I do not have a favorable view of American policies in relation to every matter - this is FREE and OBJECTIVE thinking on my end.

 

[Rogue1]

Erdogan has just said that he will not stop the assault until military operation reach its target to create the intended safe zone. I dont know what it is so important for Turkish to do it despite so many potential sanction from US and EU.

Turkey of course will guard the captured safe zone if the military operation is success. And the result of it is that Turkey will get economic, military, and technology sanction from US and European countries for long time. I know that many in US and EU dont want to see an advanced Turkey, so this operation has given them surprising opportunity to hit Turkey progress as nation.

Turkey has been suffering before this crisis. The Feto attempted coup was supported by US along with Arab states and others. Members that escaped have sought refuge in Europe especially Germany. The leader is still allowed to operate freely in US.
Turkey has come under economic attacks for several years now including massive currency manipulation. Something that your country has had experience with.

So what i'm trying to say is that, when a nation is under constant attack, eventually they will strike back regardless of the cost in order to preserve their existence.

 

[Zulfiqar]

My views are mostly context-based in regards to any theme.

In case you do not know, Erdogan administration (Turkey) had tacit approval of Trump administration (USA) to commence Operation Peace Spring in order to create a buffer zone between Turkey and Syria, and Trump administration abandoned the SDF-YPG regime to its fate in connection (betrayal). Therefore, American government is onboard with the ongoing chapter of madness in Syria. However, as an independent observer, I do not have to toe the line of either administration.

Go through my posts in this thread; do you see me cheering for Americans here?

I am an independent observer in all matters, and my views might not sit well with one camp or another depending upon what stance I am not adopting. I just speak my mind.

Being pro-American is not a crime, but I am not pro-American actually. I just do not feel the need to be anti-American to be in the good books of some members here.

I do not wish to be dragged into this discussion further.

Regarding greenlighting see my above post.


An ind observer analyzes both sides of the story which you clearly do not (at least not in your posts).

No body is asking anyone to be in good books. However presenting a skewed narrative while portraying yourself as "independent" will clearly raise flags among the members.

 

[dBSPL]

@Indos

Let us come to the ideology and leadership of Abdullah Ocalan

What ideology do you think is institutionalized under education and doctrine activities in all areas occupied by the PKK / YPG in Syria?

Ulan beynini siktiğim, after Pkk-ypg destroyed all Raqqa, opened a 10-meter poster of Abdullah Ocalan and posed to the whole world in front of him.

Now some of yours telling us about ethnicity, and so on. But you're bunch of idiots who can't even see what's going on.

 

[Timur]

a nice video about pkk hyenas attacking syrian muslims- turkey comes to rescue:

https://gofile.io/?c=d3mBtj

10-meter poster of Abdullah Ocalan

who is capable of creating a 10 m poster? is it that simple?

 

[dBSPL]

This operation's starts day, is the anniversary of the events initiated by KCK(which is the the PKK/YPG/PJAK's urban structure) in 2014, causing the 46 deaths and wounding of 682 citizens in the October 6-8 events .

One of the martyrs was our Kurdish son, 16-year-old YASIN BÖRÜ. He was lynched by pkk militants while distributing sacrificial meat to the elderly and the poor people.

What can westerners who make PR on behalf of Pkk say today about the pain of thousands of our sons?

The pain within us never ceases. Now , we saying :


(3:151) We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.

***

The message above was my first message under first title related to topic.

I'm still in the same spot. If you have the courage, continue to stand where you are now.

 

[LeGenD]

Regarding greenlighting see my above post.


An ind observer analyzes both sides of the story which you clearly do not (at least not in your posts).

No body is asking anyone to be in good books. However presenting a skewed narrative while portraying yourself as "independent" will clearly raise flags among the members.

Refer back to this post: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/oper...create-safe-zone.638588/page-56#post-11836596

I put it all together to:

1. Highlight the true picture of the Syrian demographics.
2. Explain how the SDF-YPG regime came into existence and the extent of its administrative mandate in Syria.
3. For what purpose, the SDF-YPG regime was created in Syria.

I clearly recognize the Turkish-PKK issue and I absolutely oppose separatists ambitions of any group in Turkey (no country would want to split on political grounds).

However, Erdogan administration want us all to believe that the SDF-YPG regime is merely re-branded PKK in order to justify Turkish excesses in Syria. Turkish members here refuse to acknowledge the fact that Syrian kurd factions (check the link above) have been living near Turkish border for a long time and they will be uprooted by Turkish-led forces in the course of Operation Peace Spring.

Members and/or former members of PKK might be involved in the composition of the SDF-YPG regime at certain capacity (I do not deny this), but this regime is much larger in scale*, a recent development, not responsible for prior Turkish-PKK history. This regime have two political objectives; 1) neutralizing ISIS in the region; and 2) having administrative autonomy in Syria to the extent of territories under its control. Nothing more.

My contention is that Trump administration should have considered a better approach to address this matter; allowing Turkey to create a buffer zone between Syria and Turkey, as to how to create this buffer zone. Only this.

But here I am, facing members left, right and center, trying to cast me in negative light because I dared to have a difference of opinion about Operation Peace Spring.

Members here need to see this military operation in the larger context of the suffering of Syrian nationals, beyond the lens of what 'any' administration will want YOU to see.

*Composition of the SDF-YPG regime at a glance.

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What do you have to say about Turkish and Emirati hands in the most recent chapter of the Libyan Civil War? Whose camp is HALAL and whose camp is HARAM in this theater?

I shall tell you this much; Recep Tayyip Erdogan is a ruthless politician, and he should not be mistaken for being righteous. He is only interested in strengthening his regime, to the point of meddling in the affairs of other countries if he has to. Anybody who is not in his good books, is a potential target for Erdogan administration.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1184406708606496768

 

[MMM-E]

I shall tell you this much; Recep Tayyip Erdogan is a ruthless politician, and he should not be mistaken for being righteous. He is only interested in strengthening his regime, to the point of meddling in the affairs of other countries if he has to. Anybody who is not in his good books, is a potential target for Erdogan administration.

SDF/YPG = PKK

PKK terror organization is enemy to Turkey since 1985
ERDOGAN rules Turkey since 2002 ..

keep crying .. zionist dream so-called Kurdistan is over

 

[LeGenD]

SDF/YPG = PKK

PKK terror organization is enemy to Turkey since 1985
ERDOGAN rules Turkey since 2002 ..

keep crying .. zionist dream iso-called Kurdistan is over

I do not give a shit about Zionism and its dreams.

Composition of the SDF-YPG at a glance.

You desire war with these people, be my guest.

This war will not end anytime soon though, given the size of this regime, and now Assad-led regime as well as Russia joining the show.

Slowly but surely things are going in favor of Russia in Syria. You will see.