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Actually on this forum, you will find this campaign to discredit mRNA all over the place - just please just search you will find.
Unfortunately it is a typical pattern to negate others but then adopt the other's work when convinent.
We are talking of human lives here not a propaganda war. So, if the CCP trolls were decent they would have refrained from such false accusations. In the scientific community we know mRNA is the newest area of work and Chinese scientists are and will eventually catch up with meaningful contribution.

In the end, the point I am making - the world is in it together; there is NO us and them - east/west or in between.

Yeah I've seen some comments like that and just posts that point out pfizor deaths or AZ deaths for example. But I don't think any are CCP trolls. Most are just typical idiots or too angry? Same with many Indians and Paksitanis and others here. Unreasonable and stupid behavior isn't simply state trolling. We are allowed to have stupid and emotional people too right? hahaha. I mean Chinese vaccine is constantly attacked as well and often totally unfair and with poor reasons just like senseless attacks on other vaccines as maybe pointing out same problems or trying to show people that others are also like this or that. Same with weapons I see here.

I think in the cases you talked about it's just some Chinese members even sometimes false flag ones being angry at the attacks on Chinese vaccine so they feel right to attack senselessly. Anyway ignore and pay attention to the real things and not the low idiots.

The world is made of different intentions. It is together when solving a common problem and it is apart when dealing with a conflicting intention. This will always be the way. Accept we want different things at times and same things on others. Even your enemy on some points are with you and who you consider friend now would really be against on those points. For vaccine development, every leaves each other alone. Politicians want to make goals with them but that's all the time and everywhere.

Even this thread is opened to broadcast some intention and to make people believe or think certain things. Anyway it's what he wants okay. All these forces come around.
 
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Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control.
Gao Fu, director of the China Centers for Disease Control, speaks at the National Vaccines and Health conference in Chengdu.


Gao Fu, director of the China Centers for Disease Control, speaks Saturday at the National Vaccines and Health conference in Chengdu. | Chinatopix Via AP
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
04/11/2021 08:25 AM EDT
  • BEIJING — In a rare admission of the weakness of Chinese coronavirus vaccines, the country’s top disease control official says their effectiveness is low and the government is considering mixing them to get a boost.
Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control, Gao Fu, at a conference Saturday in the southwestern city of Chengdu.
Beijing has distributed hundreds of millions of doses abroad while trying to promote doubt about the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine made using the previously experimental messenger RNA, or mRNA, process.


“It’s now under formal consideration whether we should use different vaccines from different technical lines for the immunization process,” Gao said.
Officials at a news conference Sunday didn’t respond directly to questions about Gao’s comment or possible changes in official plans. But another CDC official said developers are working on mRNA-based vaccines.
Experts say mixing vaccines, or sequential immunization, might boost effectiveness. Researchers in Britain are studying a possible combination of Pfizer-BioNTech and the traditional AstraZeneca vaccine.

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Appreciating Chinese Vaccines Sinopharm, Cansino and the Russian Sputnik vaccine with no short-term side effects to help protect Pakistanis in the need of hour, this deed will not be forgotten after second doses are complete. China also helped world by distributing half a billion doses to so many countries. These vaccines are based on dead/killed whole virus (basis of smallpox and polio vaccine) providing immune system a complete picture for protection while the Western Pfizer, Moderna from USA/German are based on mRNA against only specific spike protein of the deadly virus; which once mutated in variants rendering them useless. The Media hyped AstraZeneca UK made vaccine has blot-clotting serious side-effects. These countries only considered about themselves first and the Karma hits them back.
 
while the Western Pfizer, Moderna from USA/German are based on mRNA against only specific spike protein of the deadly virus; which once mutated in variants rendering them useless

I'd like to highlight the fact that your above conclusion is contradicted by scientific evidence and global experts including the head of the Chinese CDC Gao Fu

But mRNA vaccines, which do require the LNP adjuvant, are easier to mass produce and can be more effective because they can trigger more intense reactions from the immune system,

 
I'd like to highlight the fact that your above conclusion is contradicted by scientific evidence and global experts including the head of the Chinese CDC Gao Fu

But mRNA vaccines, which do require the LNP adjuvant, are easier to mass produce and can be more effective because they can trigger more intense reactions from the immune system,


However the same are saying with new variants and deadly variants, mRNA are not effective because they only work against a specific mRNA, thats how mRNA spike protein work, Moderna, Pfizer are not effective against more specialized variants which are now everywhere.
 
However the same are saying with new variants and deadly variants, mRNA are not effective because they only work against a specific mRNA, thats how mRNA spike protein, Moderna, Pfizer are not effective against more specialized variants which are now everywhere.

it's just you saying that..

the genetic spike protein chain is fairly consistent in all but one COVID mutation- the South African mutation. mRNA is still effective against the South African variant although its effectiveness drops from the mid 90% to the high 80%. mRNA was created to deliver an individually customizable lab engineered mRNA instruction set into the human cell to fight cancer.
 
liar. they deliberately twisting what china's cdc said. pathetic. so desperately for anything negative from china. when don't have one just spin shit up. :D



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Exclusive: Chinese CDC director refutes interpretation of ‘low protection rate of Chinese vaccines,’ says it confuses scientific vision he proposes to improve efficacy
Global Times

3-4 minutes


The Director of the Chinese Center of Disease Control (China CDC) on Sunday refuted claims by some media outlets and overseas social media platform users that the director “admitted” Chinese COVID-19 vaccines have a low protection rate, saying that “it was a complete misunderstanding.”

In an exclusive interview with the Global Times, Gao Fu, head of the China CDC, said as scientists around the world are discussing vaccine efficacy, he offered a scientific vision: that to improve the efficacy, adjustment of vaccination procedures and sequential inoculation of different types of vaccines might be options.

"The protection rates of all vaccines in the world are sometimes high, and sometimes low. How to improve their efficacy is a question that needs to be considered by scientists around the world," Gao said. "In this regard, I suggest that we can consider adjusting the vaccination process, such as the number of doses and intervals and adopting sequential vaccination with different types of vaccines.”

Gao stressed that as it is the first time human beings have encountered COVID-19, there are many scientific problems to be studied when it comes to vaccinations.

"This is also the first time that humans have been vaccinated with a novel coronavirus vaccine. All the vaccination procedures we have adopted so far have been based on previous extrapolations of other virus vaccines inoculation, and that extrapolation has worked pretty well,” Gao said. “But in the future, if we need to make improvements, we can make adjustments based on the characteristics of the novel coronavirus and the vaccination situation.”

"If we go with the traditional way of developing a vaccine, we wouldn’t have had a vaccine within a year. But scientists all over the world developed COVID-19 vaccines within a few months, which is the first time in the world's history. There are many scientific questions that need to be addressed,” Gao said.

The WHO requirement for the efficacy of a COVID-19 vaccine is 50 percent or above, and the qualified threshold for most vaccines in the world to be marketed is about 70 percent or above. China has published the first edition of guidelines on COVID-19 vaccination and “this is the best approach at present,” Gao noted.

Gao called for people to get a shot as the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks. “Vaccines have to be used fairly and the world should share vaccines. If the world doesn’t share vaccines, the virus will share the world,” he said.


 
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it's just you saying that..

the genetic spike protein chain is fairly consistent in all but one COVID mutation- the South African mutation. mRNA is still effective against the South African variant although its effectiveness drops from the mid 90% to the high 80%. mRNA was created to deliver an individually customizable lab engineered mRNA instruction set into the human cell to fight cancer.


The problem with the coversation you are having with the poster is 2 fold:

1. Will want to "big-up" China as China is Pakistan's most important ally.

2. Pakistan has brought a whole load of the same Chinese vaccines.


Saying that nearly 60% efficacy after 2 doses is not bad for the Chinese but the problem is that vaccines from US and Europe are in the mid-90s.

It is not a tech thing per se as AstraZeneca is not mRNA based and also gives the mid-90s effectiveness from hospitalisation as both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, although only around 70-80% effective from symptomatic infections.
 
it's just you saying that..

the genetic spike protein chain is fairly consistent in all but one COVID mutation- the South African mutation. mRNA is still effective against the South African variant although its effectiveness drops from the mid 90% to the high 80%. mRNA was created to deliver an individually customizable lab engineered mRNA instruction set into the human cell to fight cancer.

No its not me, read this, currently happening.

"Vaccinations are certainly starting to pick up, but we're nowhere near where we need to be to get this thing under control."

More than 15,000 cases of the more transmissible and potentially more deadly variants have been reported across Canada to date, with more than 90 per cent of those being the B117 variant first identified in the United Kingdom.

But the P1 variant first discovered in Brazil is also on the rise in Canada, with cases doubling in the past week to close to 1,000 — mostly in British Columbia, Ontario and Alberta.

And the B1351 variant first found in South Africa is also picking up steam, with over 150 cases identified in Quebec, more than 70 in Ontario and over 50 in B.C. as of Tuesday.

But experts say Canada's slow vaccine roll out has failed to keep up with the exponential rise in variants in the third wave and the premature loosening of restrictions has led to an increase in hospitalizations and deaths — even in younger Canadians.

"People were hoping that we could get to the finish line and get everyone vaccinated without having to deal with another wave and unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case," said Dr. Leyla Asadi, an infectious diseases physician at the University of Alberta in Edmonton.

"That's a combination of both our reopening too quickly and now you add in these variants of concern."

Canada has emerged as one of the only countries in the world with significant outbreaks of three different variants occurring at the same time — turning us into a giant experiment on the world stage.

"There's no other country that's kind of dealing with it as we are — we have all of them emerging at once," said Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious diseases physician at St. Joseph's Healthcare Hamilton.

"What happens to all three of them in the mix? Which one takes over? Which one is the fittest of the three?"

Variants could threaten vaccine effectiveness

Canada's Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam says another unanswered question that has huge implications for our ability to control the third wave is whether variants like P1 pose a threat to COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness.

"This virus might be capable of evading the immune response," she said. "But we do not have an actual vaccine effectiveness estimate that is solidified."

Tam says she has asked medical officers of health across the country to gather more information on vaccine effectiveness against P1 in particular, while encouraging Canadians to get vaccinated and provinces and territories to keep public health restrictions in place.

Amid that black hole of data, Tam says Canada may be able to fill the international research void due to our surging rates of variant cases — for better or worse.

"We don't have enough information from other countries, including Brazil, about how well these vaccines work against P1," she said. "If Canada is seeing the evolution of spread of P1, we might be a country where we will be able to produce some of this data."

Tam says scientists believe one specific mutation common to all three variants, called E484K, could actually allow the virus to escape the immune response and even make it possible for someone who has previously had COVID-19 to become reinfected.

"That was the initial event that caused us to be concerned about this P1," she said. "There was reinfection in a particular person that already had COVID-19 before."

Tam said while there have so far only been laboratory studies done on the antibody response to P1 that showed in some cases there was a reduced ability for a vaccinated person's antibodies to neutralize P1 — the evidence so far is still a "signal of concern."
 
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Not surpring..coming from an idiot
Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control.
Gao Fu, director of the China Centers for Disease Control, speaks at the National Vaccines and Health conference in Chengdu.


Gao Fu, director of the China Centers for Disease Control, speaks Saturday at the National Vaccines and Health conference in Chengdu. | Chinatopix Via AP
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
04/11/2021 08:25 AM EDT
  • BEIJING — In a rare admission of the weakness of Chinese coronavirus vaccines, the country’s top disease control official says their effectiveness is low and the government is considering mixing them to get a boost.
Chinese vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates,” said the director of the China Centers for Disease Control, Gao Fu, at a conference Saturday in the southwestern city of Chengdu.
Beijing has distributed hundreds of millions of doses abroad while trying to promote doubt about the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine made using the previously experimental messenger RNA, or mRNA, process.


“It’s now under formal consideration whether we should use different vaccines from different technical lines for the immunization process,” Gao said.
Officials at a news conference Sunday didn’t respond directly to questions about Gao’s comment or possible changes in official plans. But another CDC official said developers are working on mRNA-based vaccines.
Experts say mixing vaccines, or sequential immunization, might boost effectiveness. Researchers in Britain are studying a possible combination of Pfizer-BioNTech and the traditional AstraZeneca vaccine.

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NO SURPRISE, unless they copy/steal/paste they are not known for innovation or 'quality'
All vaccines are good though data wasnt shared on sputnik so we dont know about that

Our pfizer woildnt exist without chinese virus modelling early jab
 
The problem with the coversation you are having with the poster is 2 fold:

1. Will want to "big-up" China as China is Pakistan's most important ally.

2. Pakistan has brought a whole load of the same Chinese vaccines.


Saying that nearly 60% efficacy after 2 doses is not bad for the Chinese but the problem is that vaccines from US and Europe are in the mid-90s.

It is not a tech thing per se as AstraZeneca is not mRNA based and also gives the mid-90s effectiveness from hospitalisation as both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, although only around 70-80% effective from symptomatic infections.

Read the statement from Chinese CDC published earlier today. The immunity generated by inactivated virus does not last long. In the UAE, many are receiving a third dose in as many months. The difference between mRNA and vector vaccine is the vehicle used to deliver the payload into the human cell - mRNA uses lipid nano particles and AstraZeneca uses chimp virus ChAdOx1.

Lipid nano particles are more effective at penetration while a vector virus is less effective and in addition the body develops immunity to the vector virus and destroys the vehicle before it has had a chance to deliver its payload.

The second difference, mRNA store the instructions in single-stranded RNA, the Oxford vaccine uses double-stranded DNA. mRNA is instructions (code) while Astrazeneca is actual DNA. .
 
but no blood clotting deaths

Just deaths from ineffectiveness :yes4:


liar. they deliberately twisting what china's cdc said. pathetic. so desperately for anything negative from china. when don't have one just spin shit up. :D



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Exclusive: Chinese CDC director refutes interpretation of ‘low protection rate of Chinese vaccines,’ says it confuses scientific vision he proposes to improve efficacy
Global Times

3-4 minutes


The Director of the Chinese Center of Disease Control (China CDC) on Sunday refuted claims by some media outlets and overseas social media platform users that the director “admitted” Chinese COVID-19 vaccines have a low protection rate, saying that “it was a complete misunderstanding.”

In an exclusive interview with the Global Times, Gao Fu, head of the China CDC, said as scientists around the world are discussing vaccine efficacy, he offered a scientific vision: that to improve the efficacy, adjustment of vaccination procedures and sequential inoculation of different types of vaccines might be options.

"The protection rates of all vaccines in the world are sometimes high, and sometimes low. How to improve their efficacy is a question that needs to be considered by scientists around the world," Gao said. "In this regard, I suggest that we can consider adjusting the vaccination process, such as the number of doses and intervals and adopting sequential vaccination with different types of vaccines.”

Gao stressed that as it is the first time human beings have encountered COVID-19, there are many scientific problems to be studied when it comes to vaccinations.

"This is also the first time that humans have been vaccinated with a novel coronavirus vaccine. All the vaccination procedures we have adopted so far have been based on previous extrapolations of other virus vaccines inoculation, and that extrapolation has worked pretty well,” Gao said. “But in the future, if we need to make improvements, we can make adjustments based on the characteristics of the novel coronavirus and the vaccination situation.”

"If we go with the traditional way of developing a vaccine, we wouldn’t have had a vaccine within a year. But scientists all over the world developed COVID-19 vaccines within a few months, which is the first time in the world's history. There are many scientific questions that need to be addressed,” Gao said.

The WHO requirement for the efficacy of a COVID-19 vaccine is 50 percent or above, and the qualified threshold for most vaccines in the world to be marketed is about 70 percent or above. China has published the first edition of guidelines on COVID-19 vaccination and “this is the best approach at present,” Gao noted.

Gao called for people to get a shot as the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks. “Vaccines have to be used fairly and the world should share vaccines. If the world doesn’t share vaccines, the virus will share the world,” he said.




threatened into taking his statement back. :yes4:
 

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