Obama's speech in the UN: Against the Palestinian Initiative for a UN Seat

[*Awan*]

This terrorist wrote the charter of Hamas and was head of this terror organisation. This charter is equivallent to the Nazi ideology. If this beast is not an Anti-semite, then who is?!

there is a need for the areation of Hammas.and that is to free their homeland from occupiers and oppressors.what right do you have on the Palestinian land at the very first place?

And you glorify this barbaric terrorist who is responsible for the murdering of innocent civilians including babies, women and children.

Shame on you!

same applies to IDF and mossad.
hammas don't have kidon teams,mossad has.
so in reality you are barbaric terrorist not they.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This terrorist wrote the charter of Hamas and was head of this terror organisation. This charter is equivallent to the Nazi ideology. If this beast is not an Anti-semite, then who is?!

And you glorify this barbaric terrorist who is responsible for the murdering of innocent civilians including babies, women and children.

Shame on you!

well you certainly fought what you see as a terrorist using terror tactics....most cowardly ones too.


he was leaving a Mosque after Friday prayers obligation when your gunships sitting conveniently 1,000 feet above fired a salvo of rockets at him (he was in a wheelchair)


very noble action

 

[nirreich]

@Nirreich,
What argument to deny? You are just speculating about 'wiping off the map' based on the Hamas position and they too, according to some are offering a 20 year 'Hudna' or even recognition based 1967. Of course you will also completely ignore the Saudi Peace Plan and the Pal. Authority's positions, won't you. You see: You harp on Hamas while you try to downplay the Likud agenda as 'election' posturing. Not convincing.

Also, I think I have mentioned in another topic that the Olmert plan is a good one, as per his NY Times article yesterday. And that does not accept the right of return. It is a no-go and, sad to say, Pals. are going to either be compensated to stay in other countries or go back to the W. Bank once Palestine is established.

Let's build upon the Olmert Plan then. But, looking at the unanimous anger against him in YNET News today, it is a non-starter. You may want to look up what your countrymen think about giving any reasonable concessions to Palestinians.

Bantustan is not acceptable. Get that right. If it was then there would be a Palestine in 2000 in Camp David.

The right of return are another words for advocating the destruction of Israel and this demand is of the PA and the Arab countries, not just Hamas.

Olmert made his offer as PM and the Palestinian did not give any answer to it because it does not include the right of return. I assure you that if the Palestinians give up this demand and be ready to live peacefully with Israel they will have a state on almost all the West Bank and Gaza.

No one cares in Israel about political parties manifestos. Begin gave Sinai to Egypt against his former manifesto, so did Rabin in the Oslo Accord and Sharon with the disengagement plan.

 

[harpoon]

Off-topic:
Having good relations with all countries is optimal.

The reality is that the US are trying to get that very footing in India. The Cold War ended over 20 years ago. And things changed ever since, especially after 9/11.

Otherwise, they would not have sold you those P-8Is or tried to sell F-16s or F-18s. American equipment nearly always have certain strings attached. Surprising considering India used to be Cold War foe.

Senior American politicians regardless of party are scared $hit of China. Sure, they would never imply this directly, but that is done just to look good. They are afraid and paranoid of The Dragon.

They'll use every lance they can possibly get against China. And usually, they try to wage wars through proxies, never directly. India is a big country, and a vast one at that. It is a feasible proxy for the US against China.

Sure, India and the US are not currently allies, but they do hold interests of strategic value - especially with regards to China. And besides China doesn't necessarily see India as an enemy, but just cautious.

India is a member of BRICS after all, and an observer state of The Shanghai Cooperation Council (SCO), along with Pakistan. I hope those two expand and strengthen and that my country gets a piece of that.

But the US is trying and trying hard to bring India on its side against China. It is all about the broad picture in perspective of the US.

A Sino-Indo War is Uncle Sam's wet dream. I hope that never happens.

India is too large a country to be anybody's proxy and our conduct during the Cold War is a testament to that. We had much closer relationship with USSR than we have now with USA.Still we didn't allow any Soviet base in India or we supported USSR blindly. So how do you reach the conclusion that India will blindly support USA now and 2011 India is much more stronger in every sector when compared to cold war India.

Yes, USA's supports India with an eye on China.But its also a fact that China is no saint and is fast becoming the Asian bully and almost every country in their neighbourhood(except for Pakistan) have problem with PRC.So its also in India's interest that US supports India as a counterweight to China.

Irregardless, India must not allow American interests to dictate South Asian affairs. Otherwise, we'll all lose. And it'll make the Russians and the Chinese unhappy, and despite the 'issues' we have in the neighborhood, I have complete faith in those two.

Note: You see how different the issues of the Middle East and South Asia are?

Don't worry, we have a very independent foreign policy. We buy oil from KSA and arms from Israel.There are a very few countries that can pull of this type of stunt.

Russia is not too concerned about Asia now and frankly if PRC wants to earn respect they better also show respect. Also what about India's neighbours sucking upto China in a big way, does that upset the fine balance in South Asia. It will be better if some of our neighbours practice what they preach for a change.

 

[nirreich]

well you certainly fought what you see as a terrorist using terror tactics....most cowardly ones too.


he was leaving a Mosque after Friday prayers obligation when your gunships sitting conveniently 1,000 feet above fired a salvo of rockets at him (he was in a wheelchair)


very noble action

This barbaric villain thought that he has immunity to order the butchering of innocent civilians just because he is in a wheelchair. I have no pity for this kind of scum, he got exactly what he deserves.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

comparing Hamas to Nazis???

a standard tactic. This guy goes by the book!




ARYAN POWAAHHH!!!!

 

[fd24]

Quite frankly, I am blown away by the fact that the world's biggest proponent of democracy can oppose a tiny nation's dream to become officially recognized as a people of the world, when 83% of its population supports it...

Palestine is an undeniable reality.


it is unfortunate that the aforementioned "proponent" of democracy has now in fact become the world's biggest obstructor of democracy.

George Washington presciently said, "Nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest."

USA's unhealthy and habitual fondness for israel has devolved to the point where they frequently place their interests (or perceived interests of their inept leaders) above their own and declare as enemies of theirs any enemy of israel's. The founding fathers of America (some of the finest men to have ever lived and breathed on earth) would be appalled by the fact that the USA meddles so frequently in the affairs of other nations and obstructs democracy as a matter of daily routine.

The inevitabilty of the blind support for Israel by the USA was probably the worst kept secret going around. I dont think the USA have any respect for the thoughts of Palestinians or anyone supporting them. It is a slave to their desires and without their aid and support Israel would have no choice but to come to an agreement and settlement. Sometimes i think the USA dont want change. I am fully aware the control the Zionists have over the US congress however it is now becoming apparent that the rest of the world will not blindly follow what the US say.
I think the area is inevitably going to continue with hostility and though i am against violence can understand the frustration of the Palestinian people. Shame on the USA government bowing to their illigitimate child

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This barbaric villain thought that he has immunity to order the butchering of innocent civilians just because he is in a wheelchair. I have no pity for this kind of scum, he got exactly what he deserves.

your emotional reply was touching...

what about the Palestinians whose lands and olive trees were bull-dozed and stolen from them

many of them still have the deeds to those lands.




(this is where Solomon will butt in and claim that they ALL sold the land! A theory that has already been debunked)

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The inevitabilty of the blind support for Israel by the USA was probably the worst kept secret going around. I dont think the USA have any respect for the thoughts of Palestinians or anyone supporting them. It is a slave to their desires and without their aid and support Israel would have no choice but to come to an agreement and settlement. Sometimes i think the USA dont want change. I am fully aware the control the Zionists have over the US congress however it is now becoming apparent that the rest of the world will not blindly follow what the US say.
I think the area is inevitably going to continue with hostility and though i am against violence can understand the frustration of the Palestinian people. Shame on the USA government bowing to their illigitimate child

I've met many patriotic Americans who are furious over there government's blind support of israel....especially at a time when the U.S. is facing major fiscal troubles at home.

 

[nirreich]

there is a need for the areation of Hammas.and that is to free their homeland from occupiers and oppressors.what right do you have on the Palestinian land at the very first place?




same applies to IDF and mossad.
hammas don't have kidon teams,mossad has.
so in reality you are barbaric terrorist not they.

This cartoon says it all and the huge different between the morality of Israel and its despicable enemies:

 

[Meengla]

@Nirreich,
May be you personally want peace--but are blind to the Israelis Settlement building activity which is THE MAIN cause of the problem. Think through it after looking up the map. This 'most of W. Bank' can be turned into a Bantustan. Negev desert is worthless in a swap.
I also think it is outright devious and deceptive to say that 'Oh, we need the Settlements because of terrorism'.

Back to the topic: Well, Obama is going to do what any other American president without a spine to face his own partymen would do: Ensure the coffers are filled, the media witch-hunt doesn't cost the Democrats the next election.
Too bad for Obama and the Democrats: Once this UN bid storm blows over--if it ever does--Israel's backers in America will make sure Obama will pay. This is what we say in Urdu: 'So piyaz aur so dandey'; it will be a lose-lose for Obama.

 

[nirreich]

comparing Hamas to Nazis???

a standard tactic. This guy goes by the book!




ARYAN POWAAHHH!!!!

Read their charter and try to find the differences, I dare you!

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your emotional reply was touching...

what about the Palestinians whose lands and olive trees were bull-dozed and stolen from them

many of them still have the deeds to those lands.




(this is where Solomon will butt in and claim that they ALL sold the land! A theory that has already been debunked)

---------- Post added at 12:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:27 AM ----------



I've met many patriotic Americans who are furious over there government's blind support of israel....especially at a time when the U.S. is facing major fiscal troubles at home.

Nothing can justify barbaric terrorism and the butchering of innocent women and children, as Palestinians terrorists are constantly doing

 

[nirreich]

@Nirreich,
May be you personally want peace--and hence there is the peace dove in your avatar--but are blind to the Israelis Settlement building activity which is THE MAIN cause of the problem. Think through it after looking up the map. This 'most of W. Bank' can be turned into a Bantustan. Negev desert is worthless in a swap.
I also think it is outright devious and deceptive to say that 'Oh, we need the Settlements because of terrorism'.

Back to the topic: Well, Obama is going to do what any other American president without a spine to face his own partymen would do: Ensure the coffers are filled, the media witch-hunt doesn't cost the Democrats the next election.
Too bad for Obama and the Democrats: Once this UN bid storm blows over--if it ever does--Israel's backers in America will make sure Obama will pay. This is what we say in Urdu: 'So piyaz aur so dandey'; it will be a lose-lose for Obama.

I did not claim that the settlements are against terrorism, I said that they are not the main problem, just a mean to hurt Israel while hiding the real evil intentions of the Arab countries to eliminate Israel (with the right of return).

Rest assure: the Palestinian state will not be a Buntostan but will enjoy territorial integrity (except of course the division between Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This cartoon says it all and the huge different between the morality of Israel and its despicable enemies:

 

[*Awan*]

This cartoon says it all and the huge different between the morality of Israel and its despicable enemies:

listen dude very simple question.

what right do you have on the Palestinian land at the very first place?

now There is israel.so why you don't go back to 1967 position and accept two state solution.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Read their charter and try to find the differences, I dare you!

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Nothing can justify barbaric terrorism and the butchering of innocent women and children, as Palestinians terrorists are constantly doing

i agree

and nothing can justify israel's policy of collective punishment.


you used phosphorous bombs in Lebanon which killed more women and children than any action taken by Hezbollah.

you use bulldozers and American-supplied gunships to harass and intimidate entire neighbourhoods, just to find one or two lightly armed gunman.



the death tolls speak for themselves!!


but those are just gentiles, why should you care about their lives?